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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Heartburn
Why is it, that while on a LC lifestyle, I no longer have any heartburn? I know its common with low-carb and the book (Atkins) talks about it, but I don't recall (I gave my book away to a newbie) the exact science about WHY I never have heartburn anymore. I seem to eat lots of spices and hot food, including Chili etc. I finally threw away all my Pepcid and Tagamets etc, and haven't had even a hint of heartburn in 6 months. When I talk about low-carb with carb eaters, and tell them of this fantastic effect, they have a hard time believing me. I would like to be able to explain intelligently about WHY carbs are so linked with heartburn. Any insight would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Kira in SC 225/199/140 LC since 8-6-03 > Why is it, that while on a LC lifestyle, I no longer have any > heartburn? probably because you eat less. > I know its common with low-carb and the book (Atkins) talks about > it, but I don't recall (I gave my book away to a newbie) the exact > science about WHY I never have heartburn anymore. I seem to eat > lots of spices and hot food, including Chili etc. I finally threw > away all my Pepcid and Tagamets etc, and haven't had even a hint of > heartburn in 6 months. I also stopped having heartburn almost immediately after I started dieting. I lowered my carb intake and dropped junk food and sugar, but never went on induction or anything like that. > When I talk about low-carb with carb eaters, and tell them of this fantastic > effect, they have a hard time believing me. I would like to be able to explain > intelligently about WHY carbs are so linked with heartburn. Most likely because you do not overeat, taht's my guess. I am very happy for you. i 223/176/180 > Any insight would be greatly appreciated! > Thanks! > Kira in SC > 225/199/140 > LC since 8-6-03 :: In article <20040115132604.18928.00000010@mb-m28.aol.com>, :: SouthernSursee wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] :: :: Most likely because you do not overeat, taht's my guess. I think that is a big part of it -- if not the actual reason. >:: In article <20040115132604.18928.00000010@mb-m28.aol.com>, >:: SouthernSursee wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > I think that is a big part of it -- if not the actual reason. I am glad we agree. Hard to have heartburn if the stomach is not full. i > >:: In article <20040115132604.18928.00000010@mb-m28.aol.com>, > >:: SouthernSursee wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > I am glad we agree. Hard to have heartburn if the stomach is not full. I rarely suffered from heartburn, so I'm not a data point on this, nevertheless, this makes a great deal of sense to me. One of the things I really notice when I'm lowcarbing and when I have an off plan is how much more volume of food I need to eat on high carb to feel satisfied. So, I think it could well be a volume issue. For people who think that wheat might be the problem, a simple way to find out is to buy some vital wheat gluten (Whole Foods carries it as do many health food store, regular supermarkets may have it in the baking section), and try making some muffins with it. It's relatively low carb, so you can do it as a controlled experiment where you add the wheat but don't significantly raise your carb levels. If you don't react it's probably not a wheat issue, if you do, you know it's not related to excessive carbs. I cobbled together a recipe for popovers that was pretty good, hot with plenty of butter. But I don't have a recipe, anymore. Of course, to do it properly you should have someone else make the muffins and not tell you what's in them. Martha  SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. > :: Most likely because you do not overeat, taht's my guess. > > I think that is a big part of it -- if not the actual reason. Yes, heartburn is caused by overeating in many cases. Heartburn, or pain behind the breastbone, occurs when the lower esophageal sphincter fails to prevent stomach contents (acidic) from entering the esophagus. This happens most often when people eat or drink too much. Tight clothing, some medications and smoking can also contribute. It is possible that the sphincter itself is problematic but if it goes away when you eat less, that seems to indicate something other than a sphincter problem. "Cures" for heart burn include eating less in a sitting, chewing more thoroughly and eating more slowly. Signaturejmk in NC >> :: Most likely because you do not overeat, taht's my guess. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "Cures" for heart burn include eating less in a sitting, chewing more > thoroughly and eating more slowly. and not eating shortly before bedtime. lying flat has its obvious mechanical consequences since esophagus is on top of the stomach. i > :: SouthernSursee wrote: > ::: Why is it, that while on a LC lifestyle, I no longer have > ::: any heartburn? > :: Most likely because you do not overeat, that's my guess. > I think that is a big part of it -- if not the actual reason. I'm not so sure. This past weekend we were in Vancouver for the memorial service of my fil. The day after, we went book browsing with my mil (a soothing diversion for book-o-philes). We had something at a coffee shop. I tried to choose something low-carb in a place that had no low carb items, and made a flawed choice. I was hungry, and I'd paid for it, so I ate some of it. It was a mango vegetarian curry wrap. I thought it would have veggies in it, and what it really had was a big pile of white rice flavoured with a sugar glop that might have, at some time, spent some time in the same city as a mango. I was hungry, I hadn't eaten for six hours, and I didn't eat as much as I would have at a regular low-carb meal, but I got reflux from it. First time in six months. Bleah. For me, heartburn is sugar related. April. Put out the cat. Signature"Things that try to look like things often do look more like things than things. Well known fact." Esmerelda Weatherwax (Pratchett 1988) > Why is it, that while on a LC lifestyle, I no longer have any heartburn? I > know its common with low-carb and the book (Atkins) talks about it, but I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 225/199/140 > LC since 8-6-03 You nee a lab and a study to get a real answer. However, I would bet that A. pylori, the critter that causes heartburn and ulcers, likes carbs. > You nee a lab and a study to get a real answer. However, I would bet that > A. pylori, the critter that causes heartburn and ulcers, likes carbs. I was diagnosed several years ago with GERD, the acid reflux condition. When I started Atkins it went away. Great benefit. I was even at a throat specialist because the acid was eating away at my vocal cords and I had persistent laryngitis! He put me on heavy duty meds (upped it twice!). But I got to stop taking them! However, I was also low carbing when I was diagnosed with H. pylori.............they thought I had an ulcer, ....that was negative thank goodness. They said it was a blood infection, didn't know how I got it. It threw off my eating plans because any food I ate caused severe stomach pain. :-( They finally put me on three different meds, 3x a day. That pretty much WAS my meal because I was eating so little it filled me up. I'm glad to be back on track now and healthy! Karen Restart 12/17/03 153/146/135ish I don't know about you, but this week I had THE nastiest case of heartburn I think I've ever had. I had wings for lunch. I like my wings really spicy. These weren't much hotter than any others I've had in the past. All night and even the next morning, I was ON FIRE. I just drank water and got through it, but I'm having a hard time thinking about eating wings on Superbowl Sunday. > Why is it, that while on a LC lifestyle, I no longer have any heartburn? I > know its common with low-carb and the book (Atkins) talks about it, but I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 225/199/140 > LC since 8-6-03 I'm convinced that the reason that heartburn goes away for most people with a low carb diet is because those people have developed a wheat intolerance. This may be because wheat proteins have leaked into the bloodstream and stimulated an immune response that results in inflammation. Intolerances to commonly eaten foods are common. If you are intolerant of wheat, you will also have problems with oats as the proteins are similar. My Sweetie had a severe problem with heartburn and had been evaluated thoroughly by a gastroenterologist who put him on various powerful medicines all with unpleasant side effects. He never mentioned wheat. After years of the drugs, my Sweetie finally went off wheat for 3 days and had his symptoms clear up! He doesn't low carb because he doesn't need to lose weight, but just by cutting the wheat (and oats) out of his diet, the heartburn is gone and stays gone as long as he doesn't reintroduce those foods. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > Why is it, that while on a LC lifestyle, I no longer have any heartburn? I > know its common with low-carb and the book (Atkins) talks about it, but I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 225/199/140 > LC since 8-6-03 > I'm convinced that the reason that heartburn goes away for most people > with a low carb diet is because those people have developed a wheat > intolerance. This may be because wheat proteins have leaked into the > bloodstream and stimulated an immune response that results in > inflammation. That's probably true for many people, but I've given up wheat in the past without any change in heartburn. But when I started low carbing, the heartburn disappeared the second day. Chakolate SignatureYou might as well fall flat on your face as lean over too far backward. --James Thurber > I'm convinced that the reason that heartburn goes away for most people with > a low carb diet is because those people have developed a wheat intolerance. > This may be because wheat proteins have leaked into the bloodstream and > stimulated an immune response that results in inflammation. I suspect you're right. I say this because I used to LOOOOVE fresh chocolate chip cookies, but during the last 2-3 months before beginning Atkins, I noticed that I got heartburn whenever I ate them :-( Wouldn't you know my favorite "food" in the whole world would do that to me! Made it easier to start Atkins, though :-) Since starting last June, my heartburn has ALMOST completely gone away. I say almost because I still get it about once a month and, for some odd reason, it SEEMS to coincide with ovulation. I'm going to start color coding days when I have it in my food/stats/exercise/recipes/database Excel spreadsheet and see if it correlates to anything I'm eating OR my cycle (as opposed to just GUESSING). I have a hiatal hernia, so stuff come up sometimes, ESPECIALLY if I lay down or bend forward shortly after eating, but the heartburn part and/or sudden surges coming up is rare nowadays. SignatureSaffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 Certainly true in my case. I went through all sorts of medical tests and no cause was ever found, and no doctors every suggested dietary changes, but the symptoms vanish as soon as I banish wheat from my diet, and come back again if I eat wheat products again. Debbie > I'm convinced that the reason that heartburn goes away for most people with > a low carb diet is because those people have developed a wheat intolerance. Debbie, I have run into so many people whose GERD cleared up completely when they removed wheat from their diet (including myself) that it's starting to look downright scandalous that no Gastroenterologist ever considers this explanation. But when you look at the saturation ad campaign for Prilosec, and consider the money to be made by drug companies selling these stomach products you can see why no one ever funds any decent research on the subject. The tragedy is that Prilosec causes such terrible side effects including decreased sexual response in both men and women, which leads to depression, and the prescribing of more expensive drugs to solve these drug caused problems. You won't hear doctors mention the Prilosec/Zantac sexual dysfunction connection but it is very real. Fortunately, I read about it in a book or I would not have made the connection either. Removing the drugs solves that problem too. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > Certainly true in my case. I went through all sorts of medical tests and no > cause was ever found, and no doctors every suggested dietary changes, but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > a low carb diet is because those people have developed a wheat > intolerance. > Debbie, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > a book or I would not have made the connection either. Removing the drugs > solves that problem too. Hmmm, I say. I have been feeling so good that I have been debating about seeing what happens when I ratchet down my Prevacid. Now more reason to try this experiment. SignatureJean B. > > Why is it, that while on a LC lifestyle, I no longer have any heartburn? First consideration: Heartburn is indigestion. Humans evolved eating very different food than the modern diet. Of course we get indigestion. > I'm convinced that the reason that heartburn goes away for most people with > a low carb diet is because those people have developed a wheat intolerance. > This may be because wheat proteins have leaked into the bloodstream and > stimulated an immune response that results in inflammation. For me wheat was the primary cause of my indigestion before Atkins. I have also met people magically cured when they stopped eating corn rather than wheat. But before Induction I'd never gone 14 days wheat free in my life. I had no idea I even *had* symptoms until they went away. Even going away others noticed more than I did. When *I* noticed is the first time I tasted wheat a few months later and the symptoms (which before had simply been the way I always was) came back. It's more than just corn and wheat, I suspect. It certainly varies by individual. Especially if you take the advice to eat a lot of meat and veggies to heart and avoid junk food, low carbers switch to eating much more natural food, and of course they have better digestion. Indigestion is *caused* by junk food. Eliminate the source, eliminate the problem. Especially if you tahe the advice to figure out your individual food intolerances, Atkids each learn what to eat. Some have problems with beans, others with dairy, others with aspartame, others with you name it. Indigestion is a food intolerance. Eliminate the source, eliminate the problem. So SouthernSursee, you stopped eating whatever it was that caused the indigestion in the first place, so it went away. If anyone ever tells you that Atkins is unhealthy, think back to the old indigestion and the new good-digestion and chuckle at their misguided good will. Then ask them if they use indigestion medications ... If you're on Atkins: Remember that it is a process not a menu. As you follow the process and add foods back one by one, watch carefully how your body reacts. Eventually you will add some food and the indigestion will appear. Bingo, you will have found it. Jenny and I both figure it will be wheat (or corn) but that's only a numbers game. Yes, corn affects me badly too, though not as badly as wheat. Debbie "Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote in message > For me wheat was the primary cause of my indigestion before Atkins. I > have also met people magically cured when they stopped eating corn rather > than wheat. >Yes, corn affects me badly too, though not as badly as wheat. > >Debbie I have the same trouble with corn and wheat. Wheat is the worst. > Why is it, that while on a LC lifestyle, I no longer have any heartburn? I > know its common with low-carb and the book (Atkins) talks about it, but I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 225/199/140 > LC since 8-6-03 For myself, I wonder whether the improvement is just due to the fact that I have lost weight. I am so much better. SignatureJean B. >Why is it, that while on a LC lifestyle, I no longer have any heartburn? I snipT or The Farts (flatulence to the more indelicate) in fact there are many 'social' positives to LCL + some environmental contributions as well. Makes the "green machine" look positively shameful with its consumption of bio-gas generation type base food. 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