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Post-Partum Weight Loss Trouble on Atkins

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GarciaGM - 15 Jan 2004 21:58 GMT
I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my
baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the
weight I had put on (30 pounds pre-pregnancy, 50 pounds during
pregnancy).  It has been 3 1/2 months since I had my baby, and I have
been on the Atkins program for 6 weeks, yet I have only lost 4 pounds
while dieting.  I do this diet religiously.  I only went off the
program for about 4 days during Christmas and New Year, but the rest
of the time I have stuck to it.  I even walk for about 25 minutes 3-4
times weekly.  I do not binge.  I had all my bloodwork tested to see
if I was having problems with my thyroid, but all my tests came back
normal.  Even the doctor commended me on everything I was doing.  Can
someone please help me figure out why I am not losing weight??  Is it
too soon after pregnancy?  Everyone else I have known who has ever
done Atkins lost significant weight very quickly, but I have struggled
to lose 4 pounds.  I need to lose 50 pounds, and I am more determined
than I have ever been in my life.  It would be less disappointing if I
didn't have any discipline and couldn't lose the weight - then I would
have an explanation - but I can't for the life of me figure out what
is wrong.  Please let me know if any of you have had this trouble.
Thank you so much for your input.

Michelle
GT - 15 Jan 2004 22:11 GMT
<SNIP>Please let me know if any of you have had this trouble.
> Thank you so much for your input.
>
> Michelle

Perhaps you could post a sample of your typical daily menu?  Many have
posted here with issues, and after some analysis of their diet, found they
were not on a "low carb" track as much as they thought, or were just getting
too many calories.

GT
jpatti - 16 Jan 2004 02:10 GMT

> Perhaps you could post a sample of your typical daily menu?  Many have
> posted here with issues, and after some analysis of their diet, found they
> were not on a "low carb" track as much as they thought, or were just getting
> too many calories.

Or more often, too few.  The vast majority of posts I've seen over the
years where people were not losing, they were eating way too little.
GT - 16 Jan 2004 15:36 GMT
> > Perhaps you could post a sample of your typical daily menu?  Many have
> > posted here with issues, and after some analysis of their diet, found they
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> Or more often, too few.  The vast majority of posts I've seen over the
> years where people were not losing, they were eating way too little.

True enough.
AmyB - 15 Jan 2004 22:27 GMT
I too had a problem losing after my first daughter was born.  I went on
Atkins about 6 months after she was born.  I am doing LC again now after my
second daughter, who is now 18 months.  I am only having ok progress, not
great as many here have had.  No complaints now I am losing.

Why did you quit breast feeding so early?  Breast feeding and watching
calorie intake on a low fat, low sugar diet should allow you to lose some
weight.  Breastfeeding alone consumes ~500 kcal/day.  The benefits of
breastfeeding your baby far outweigh (no pun intended) waiting 6 months to
go on an LC diet.

--
AmyB
LC since 12/01/03
238/227/165
> I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my
> baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the
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>
> Michelle
The_Pittmans - 15 Jan 2004 23:56 GMT
I lost weight during my pregnancy. I gained it after the kids were born.
Alot after they were born and I didn't eat any more than I did when I was
pregnant.  I think with some people who are breast feeding, the body goes on
a 'saving food' mode. I mean the body knows it has to feed a child and want
to keep fat storage up as much as possible to make sure there is food for
your body and your child. It doesn't want to give up the fat storing for
fear of starvation especially when you try to lose weight. Something about
the natural instinct in mammals to keep the body healthy during winter
months, I read it somewhere anyway.

My non medical advise would be to stay on Ongoing weight loss program. at
least until you stop lactating. In my case it took a year to stop after
breastfeeding stopped, but my kids were feed until they were two, so your
results may vary.

Than maybe trying to kick off weight loss with induction.

This is my second time on Atkins and I just started so I am sure there are
others more knowagale then me. Just my 2 cents.

Patty

> I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my
> baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the
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>
> Michelle
Jenny - 16 Jan 2004 00:07 GMT
Were you diabetic during your pregnancy?  Did you have your blood sugar
tested?

If there's any possibility your blood sugar is abnormal, that could cause
difficulty losing weight. It did for me.
Ask your doctor to test your blood an hour after a normal meal to see how
high your blood sugar rises. It is possible that you might be severely
insulin resistant. If so, you may need a medication that reduces insulin
resistance to help you lose weight.

-- Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

> I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my
> baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Michelle
Carol Ann - 16 Jan 2004 00:25 GMT
:: I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my
:: baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
:: someone please help me figure out why I am not losing weight??  Is it
:: too soon after pregnancy?

Can you breastfeed AND do low carb?  I hope so, I'm up 25lbs since the start
of my pregnancy and I also gained 30 PRIOR to getting pregnant.  So, that
makes me a good 55 lbs above my ideal and I still have 10 weeks to go!

~Do you track your food intake at a place like Fitday.com?  If so, post your
link and let the veterans take a look.

~Are you drinking all of your water?  It was recommended to me that I drink
no less than 3 liters of water daily.

Hang in there, Michelle.  Don't be so hard on yourself.  You WILL reach your
goal....

~Carol Ann
www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge
Jenny - 16 Jan 2004 14:32 GMT
Carol Ann,

If you just eat normally for your current weight while you breastfeed you
should be able to drop a bunch of weight. Eat the standard "healthy" diet,
with lots of veggies, no white stuff, and lots of protein. Don't go into a
ketosis state.  Human breast milk is quite high in both fat and sugar. It
tastes suspiciously like ice cream.  If you lower the sugar content it may
not be a good thing for the baby. But if you eat a moderate diet with no
fast acting white carbs, you should do fine.

Plus, you'll be dealing with all kinds of new stresses and, if your baby is
like mine, you'll be sleep deprived a lot. So don't add the additional
stress of intense dieting when you are adjusting to a whole new way of life
and the intense demands of a little baby.

I gained 50 lbs in both my pregnancies. The first time I exercised almost
all it off. The second time, with two babies at home and what with living in
a new location where I had no friends or family to babysit, I couldn't
exercise, but I breastfed my Baby Lineman (26 lbs at 6 weeks!) for an entire
year (even though I was working much of the time outside of the home) and he
took care of the extra weight.  In fact, I ended up weighing exactly what
I'd weighed before getting pregnant.

I did the whole "take a cooler to work and pump in the rest room" thing
which helped greatly. Not only did it build up my milk supply, but I was
producing much more milk than even baby lineman could use, and all that fat
in the milk was fat that was no longer accumulating on my body.

You should expect to gain a bit of weight that won't go away no matter what
you do once since this is your first pregnancy.  I think some of it is
increased bone mass. My feet grew a size after my first pregnancy and have
stayed that same size no matter what I weigh. But you should be able to get
back close to your goal.

-- Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

> :: I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my
> :: baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> ~Carol Ann
> www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge
GarciaGM - 16 Jan 2004 20:36 GMT
Thanks so much to everyone for your input.  I am new to this group and
I really appreciate all your encouragement.

I actually stopped breastfeeding because I was pumping everything my
baby was consuming (i.e., he wasn't actually "nursing" anything) and
because I had to go back to work.  I tried to continue pumping for
about 10 days after I went back, but it just wasn't working out.  I
did manage to breastfeed my baby until he was 2 months old (which was
my goal).  Everything they say about breastfeeding helping you burn
extra calories didn't really do much for me.  I ate about the same as
I did when I was pregnant, but the bulk of my weight that I lost after
delivery (about 30 pounds) came off in the first month.  Since then I
have stayed practically the same.

My doctor did a full work-up on me when I was in to see him earlier
this week, so everything is normal, including my sugars and cell
counts.  I had no abnormal test results during the entire pregnancy
that would indicate diabetes or any other problems.

I have done some further research since I posted originally, and I'm
thinking I am either getting too many calories or I am not eating
enough.  Here is a typical day in my low-carb life:

Breakfast: 4 eggs scrambled with cheese, 3 thin sausage patties
Mid-Morning Snack: string cheese or Colby cheese cubes (optional)
Lunch: tossed Romaine salad with Colby shredded cheese, diced egg,
chopped mushroom, and Original Hidden Valley Ranch salad dressing plus
chicken salad (1 can of chicken, generous mayonnaise, dab of olive
oil, salt, pepper and basil)
Dinner: grilled chicken breast OR grilled steak OR chicken salad,
tossed Romaine salad (same as above – salad optional)

It's mostly during the week that I repeat the tossed salad and chicken
salad so much because it's so quick and easy (besides, I like my
chicken salad).  This is just about what I eat everyday.  My appetite
is not much more than all this, either because I'm over the carb
addiction or because I can't think of anything to fix.  Is my problem
that I do not get enough different foods?

Thanks again to everyone for your input.
jpatti - 18 Jan 2004 19:24 GMT
Your diet doesn't look too bad to me.  I do see you're eating cheese
with every meal and depending on amounts, that could be a problem -
cheese has carbs that can add up if you overindulge.  Also, I'd add
more veggies, and a wider variety of them, than just the romaine salad
- cabbage an broccoli and cauliflower and spinach and okra and
peppers; more variety = more nutrients.  I'd also take a good
multivitamin as you really are eating a limited variety of veggies.

You might want to calculate exactly what you're getting so you know
and can make judgements about that.  Measure everything and add it up
for the day to find out what your protein, carb and calorie levels
are.  A lot of folks here seem to use Fitday.  I just calculate with
the USDA food counts and/or a food count book I have.  Putting the
actual amounts of everything you eat in will give you more information
to work with... and allow you to track what works best for you over
the long run.

The main heavy weight loss on induction is primarily water.  But if
you had little glycogen stored when you go start, that loss is not
going to occur.  So if you didn't have a lot of glycogen stored when
you started induciton, you wouldn't see this large loss.

Also, weight fluctuates with water gain and losses throughout your
cycle.  So if you happened to start at the low-water time of your
cycle and end at the high-water time of your cycle, you'd see a lot
less scale movement than the other way around.

In any event, while it's exciting to see the scale go down a bunch of
pounds at once, it is little indicator of success as losing water
isn't the goal anyway - we're trying to lose *fat*.  Water weight will
cause fluctuations when you're at goal too... but there's a big
difference between fluctuating around your start weight versus your
goal weight... and that's what matters.

As for normal fat loss... if you follow the link in Jenny's posts and
read her site, you'll find she did an analysis of the folks who do the
monthly challenge here and found that weight loss  after induction
tends to run 2-6 lbs/month.  Some months tend to be better, some
worse, and some have stalls where they don't lose or several months at
a time.

One reads this and thinks, "OK, I can expect 6 lbs loss per month."
Why?  Because we're all optimists about taking the weight off.  We're
all "above average".  Heh.  Doesn't seem like anyone reads that sort
of thing and thinks "I can only expect to lose 2 lbs per month."

Losing 4 lbs in 6 weeks is approximately 3 lbs/month, well within the
expected range.  You may have higher or lower numbers at various
times, but it takes a lot of months to find out what average weight
loss you can expect individually.  It may end up significantly higher
or lower, but it will tkae a lot of time to find out.

But why does it really matter if we're doing this as a way of life?
If I have 50 years of life ahead of me, whether it takes me 6 months
or 6 years to get to goal is pretty irrelevant - in either case, I'll
have way over 40 years to be at goal and be healthy!  4 decades is a
*long* time comapred to months or years.

And if it's *not* a way of life, but simply another short-term diet,
I'm going to weigh more than I do today down the line anyway.  Now
*that* is something to be discouraged about - a much more discouraging
thought than a slower weight loss than I might hope for in the short
run.

The point is... maximizing weight loss is not the point!  Working for
the long-term is the point.  Getting off the diet treadmill and
adopting a new way of living is the point.
GarciaGM - 20 Jan 2004 01:40 GMT
> Here is a typical day in my low-carb life:
>
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> Dinner: grilled chicken breast OR grilled steak OR chicken salad,
> tossed Romaine salad (same as above ? salad optional)

I posted this message previously and didn't get much feedback, so I
thought I would try again.  I'm still trying desperately to lose
weight.  Someone gave me the notion that maybe my calorie intake is
still too high for me to lose weight, despite the fact that my carbs
are <20g daily.  Does this menu seem too high in calories?  And just
how many calories should I be shooting for anyways?  Could some of you
please give me examples of the food you eat during induction to lose
weight?  I'm so very frustrated at not having lost much weight.
Thanks so much!

Michelle
202 lbs., goal = 150 lbs.
Nina - 20 Jan 2004 01:46 GMT
>> Here is a typical day in my low-carb life:
>>
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>weight?  I'm so very frustrated at not having lost much weight.
>Thanks so much!

I don't know if the menu is too high in calories, because "a steak or
""a chicken breast" is variable in calorie count. Your best bet would
be to do the work and then come back and ask everyone, meaning you
count the calories and present it to the class.

You haven't said if you've lost any wieght yet, how long you've been
on the diet, etc.  THose will help as well.

As for what you should be shooting for calorie-wise, the rule is
generally between 8-12 calories per pound of CURRENT weight.  Seeing
as you're a chick, and we have a harder time losing due to our friend
estrogen, I'd start at 10 cals per pound and adjust downwards from
there.

Cheers,
Nina

delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com
FOB - 20 Jan 2004 02:11 GMT
Induction isn't about losing weight, it's about getting into ketosis and
getting rid of your cravings.  Most people lose some weight during induction
but you should not be worrying about it.  Your caloric intake will just
naturally subside after you get the carbs out of your system.

In news:692e1c38.0401191740.2525b20b@posting.google.com,
GarciaGM <garciagm@comcast.net> stated

| I posted this message previously and didn't get much feedback, so I
| thought I would try again.  I'm still trying desperately to lose
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
| Michelle
| 202 lbs., goal = 150 lbs.
Tara. - 17 Jan 2004 07:48 GMT
> Can you breastfeed AND do low carb?

Yes you can.  I belong to a Yahoo group called Pregnant Atkids - most of the
women there LC'd throughout their pregnancy and breastfeeding, with no
problems.  Most recommend either maintenance or OWL levels of carbs.

Tara
www.dazzled.com/lowcarb - my homepage
 
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