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Post-Partum Weight Loss Trouble on Atkins
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GarciaGM - 15 Jan 2004 21:58 GMT I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the weight I had put on (30 pounds pre-pregnancy, 50 pounds during pregnancy). It has been 3 1/2 months since I had my baby, and I have been on the Atkins program for 6 weeks, yet I have only lost 4 pounds while dieting. I do this diet religiously. I only went off the program for about 4 days during Christmas and New Year, but the rest of the time I have stuck to it. I even walk for about 25 minutes 3-4 times weekly. I do not binge. I had all my bloodwork tested to see if I was having problems with my thyroid, but all my tests came back normal. Even the doctor commended me on everything I was doing. Can someone please help me figure out why I am not losing weight?? Is it too soon after pregnancy? Everyone else I have known who has ever done Atkins lost significant weight very quickly, but I have struggled to lose 4 pounds. I need to lose 50 pounds, and I am more determined than I have ever been in my life. It would be less disappointing if I didn't have any discipline and couldn't lose the weight - then I would have an explanation - but I can't for the life of me figure out what is wrong. Please let me know if any of you have had this trouble. Thank you so much for your input.
Michelle
GT - 15 Jan 2004 22:11 GMT <SNIP>Please let me know if any of you have had this trouble.
> Thank you so much for your input. > > Michelle Perhaps you could post a sample of your typical daily menu? Many have posted here with issues, and after some analysis of their diet, found they were not on a "low carb" track as much as they thought, or were just getting too many calories.
GT
jpatti - 16 Jan 2004 02:10 GMT
> Perhaps you could post a sample of your typical daily menu? Many have > posted here with issues, and after some analysis of their diet, found they > were not on a "low carb" track as much as they thought, or were just getting > too many calories. Or more often, too few. The vast majority of posts I've seen over the years where people were not losing, they were eating way too little.
GT - 16 Jan 2004 15:36 GMT > > Perhaps you could post a sample of your typical daily menu? Many have > > posted here with issues, and after some analysis of their diet, found they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Or more often, too few. The vast majority of posts I've seen over the > years where people were not losing, they were eating way too little. True enough.
AmyB - 15 Jan 2004 22:27 GMT I too had a problem losing after my first daughter was born. I went on Atkins about 6 months after she was born. I am doing LC again now after my second daughter, who is now 18 months. I am only having ok progress, not great as many here have had. No complaints now I am losing.
Why did you quit breast feeding so early? Breast feeding and watching calorie intake on a low fat, low sugar diet should allow you to lose some weight. Breastfeeding alone consumes ~500 kcal/day. The benefits of breastfeeding your baby far outweigh (no pun intended) waiting 6 months to go on an LC diet.
-- AmyB LC since 12/01/03 238/227/165
> I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my > baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Michelle The_Pittmans - 15 Jan 2004 23:56 GMT I lost weight during my pregnancy. I gained it after the kids were born. Alot after they were born and I didn't eat any more than I did when I was pregnant. I think with some people who are breast feeding, the body goes on a 'saving food' mode. I mean the body knows it has to feed a child and want to keep fat storage up as much as possible to make sure there is food for your body and your child. It doesn't want to give up the fat storing for fear of starvation especially when you try to lose weight. Something about the natural instinct in mammals to keep the body healthy during winter months, I read it somewhere anyway.
My non medical advise would be to stay on Ongoing weight loss program. at least until you stop lactating. In my case it took a year to stop after breastfeeding stopped, but my kids were feed until they were two, so your results may vary.
Than maybe trying to kick off weight loss with induction.
This is my second time on Atkins and I just started so I am sure there are others more knowagale then me. Just my 2 cents.
Patty
> I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my > baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Michelle Jenny - 16 Jan 2004 00:07 GMT Were you diabetic during your pregnancy? Did you have your blood sugar tested?
If there's any possibility your blood sugar is abnormal, that could cause difficulty losing weight. It did for me. Ask your doctor to test your blood an hour after a normal meal to see how high your blood sugar rises. It is possible that you might be severely insulin resistant. If so, you may need a medication that reduces insulin resistance to help you lose weight.
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/
Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
> I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my > baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Michelle Carol Ann - 16 Jan 2004 00:25 GMT :: I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my :: baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] :: someone please help me figure out why I am not losing weight?? Is it :: too soon after pregnancy? Can you breastfeed AND do low carb? I hope so, I'm up 25lbs since the start of my pregnancy and I also gained 30 PRIOR to getting pregnant. So, that makes me a good 55 lbs above my ideal and I still have 10 weeks to go!
~Do you track your food intake at a place like Fitday.com? If so, post your link and let the veterans take a look.
~Are you drinking all of your water? It was recommended to me that I drink no less than 3 liters of water daily.
Hang in there, Michelle. Don't be so hard on yourself. You WILL reach your goal....
~Carol Ann www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge
Jenny - 16 Jan 2004 14:32 GMT Carol Ann,
If you just eat normally for your current weight while you breastfeed you should be able to drop a bunch of weight. Eat the standard "healthy" diet, with lots of veggies, no white stuff, and lots of protein. Don't go into a ketosis state. Human breast milk is quite high in both fat and sugar. It tastes suspiciously like ice cream. If you lower the sugar content it may not be a good thing for the baby. But if you eat a moderate diet with no fast acting white carbs, you should do fine.
Plus, you'll be dealing with all kinds of new stresses and, if your baby is like mine, you'll be sleep deprived a lot. So don't add the additional stress of intense dieting when you are adjusting to a whole new way of life and the intense demands of a little baby.
I gained 50 lbs in both my pregnancies. The first time I exercised almost all it off. The second time, with two babies at home and what with living in a new location where I had no friends or family to babysit, I couldn't exercise, but I breastfed my Baby Lineman (26 lbs at 6 weeks!) for an entire year (even though I was working much of the time outside of the home) and he took care of the extra weight. In fact, I ended up weighing exactly what I'd weighed before getting pregnant.
I did the whole "take a cooler to work and pump in the rest room" thing which helped greatly. Not only did it build up my milk supply, but I was producing much more milk than even baby lineman could use, and all that fat in the milk was fat that was no longer accumulating on my body.
You should expect to gain a bit of weight that won't go away no matter what you do once since this is your first pregnancy. I think some of it is increased bone mass. My feet grew a size after my first pregnancy and have stayed that same size no matter what I weigh. But you should be able to get back close to your goal.
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/
Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
> :: I SO ANXIOUSLY awaited the day I would stop breastfeeding after my > :: baby was born so I could start the Atkins program and lose all the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > ~Carol Ann > www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge GarciaGM - 16 Jan 2004 20:36 GMT Thanks so much to everyone for your input. I am new to this group and I really appreciate all your encouragement.
I actually stopped breastfeeding because I was pumping everything my baby was consuming (i.e., he wasn't actually "nursing" anything) and because I had to go back to work. I tried to continue pumping for about 10 days after I went back, but it just wasn't working out. I did manage to breastfeed my baby until he was 2 months old (which was my goal). Everything they say about breastfeeding helping you burn extra calories didn't really do much for me. I ate about the same as I did when I was pregnant, but the bulk of my weight that I lost after delivery (about 30 pounds) came off in the first month. Since then I have stayed practically the same.
My doctor did a full work-up on me when I was in to see him earlier this week, so everything is normal, including my sugars and cell counts. I had no abnormal test results during the entire pregnancy that would indicate diabetes or any other problems.
I have done some further research since I posted originally, and I'm thinking I am either getting too many calories or I am not eating enough. Here is a typical day in my low-carb life:
Breakfast: 4 eggs scrambled with cheese, 3 thin sausage patties Mid-Morning Snack: string cheese or Colby cheese cubes (optional) Lunch: tossed Romaine salad with Colby shredded cheese, diced egg, chopped mushroom, and Original Hidden Valley Ranch salad dressing plus chicken salad (1 can of chicken, generous mayonnaise, dab of olive oil, salt, pepper and basil) Dinner: grilled chicken breast OR grilled steak OR chicken salad, tossed Romaine salad (same as above salad optional)
It's mostly during the week that I repeat the tossed salad and chicken salad so much because it's so quick and easy (besides, I like my chicken salad). This is just about what I eat everyday. My appetite is not much more than all this, either because I'm over the carb addiction or because I can't think of anything to fix. Is my problem that I do not get enough different foods?
Thanks again to everyone for your input.
jpatti - 18 Jan 2004 19:24 GMT Your diet doesn't look too bad to me. I do see you're eating cheese with every meal and depending on amounts, that could be a problem - cheese has carbs that can add up if you overindulge. Also, I'd add more veggies, and a wider variety of them, than just the romaine salad - cabbage an broccoli and cauliflower and spinach and okra and peppers; more variety = more nutrients. I'd also take a good multivitamin as you really are eating a limited variety of veggies.
You might want to calculate exactly what you're getting so you know and can make judgements about that. Measure everything and add it up for the day to find out what your protein, carb and calorie levels are. A lot of folks here seem to use Fitday. I just calculate with the USDA food counts and/or a food count book I have. Putting the actual amounts of everything you eat in will give you more information to work with... and allow you to track what works best for you over the long run.
The main heavy weight loss on induction is primarily water. But if you had little glycogen stored when you go start, that loss is not going to occur. So if you didn't have a lot of glycogen stored when you started induciton, you wouldn't see this large loss.
Also, weight fluctuates with water gain and losses throughout your cycle. So if you happened to start at the low-water time of your cycle and end at the high-water time of your cycle, you'd see a lot less scale movement than the other way around.
In any event, while it's exciting to see the scale go down a bunch of pounds at once, it is little indicator of success as losing water isn't the goal anyway - we're trying to lose *fat*. Water weight will cause fluctuations when you're at goal too... but there's a big difference between fluctuating around your start weight versus your goal weight... and that's what matters.
As for normal fat loss... if you follow the link in Jenny's posts and read her site, you'll find she did an analysis of the folks who do the monthly challenge here and found that weight loss after induction tends to run 2-6 lbs/month. Some months tend to be better, some worse, and some have stalls where they don't lose or several months at a time.
One reads this and thinks, "OK, I can expect 6 lbs loss per month." Why? Because we're all optimists about taking the weight off. We're all "above average". Heh. Doesn't seem like anyone reads that sort of thing and thinks "I can only expect to lose 2 lbs per month."
Losing 4 lbs in 6 weeks is approximately 3 lbs/month, well within the expected range. You may have higher or lower numbers at various times, but it takes a lot of months to find out what average weight loss you can expect individually. It may end up significantly higher or lower, but it will tkae a lot of time to find out.
But why does it really matter if we're doing this as a way of life? If I have 50 years of life ahead of me, whether it takes me 6 months or 6 years to get to goal is pretty irrelevant - in either case, I'll have way over 40 years to be at goal and be healthy! 4 decades is a *long* time comapred to months or years.
And if it's *not* a way of life, but simply another short-term diet, I'm going to weigh more than I do today down the line anyway. Now *that* is something to be discouraged about - a much more discouraging thought than a slower weight loss than I might hope for in the short run.
The point is... maximizing weight loss is not the point! Working for the long-term is the point. Getting off the diet treadmill and adopting a new way of living is the point.
GarciaGM - 20 Jan 2004 01:40 GMT > Here is a typical day in my low-carb life: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Dinner: grilled chicken breast OR grilled steak OR chicken salad, > tossed Romaine salad (same as above ? salad optional) I posted this message previously and didn't get much feedback, so I thought I would try again. I'm still trying desperately to lose weight. Someone gave me the notion that maybe my calorie intake is still too high for me to lose weight, despite the fact that my carbs are <20g daily. Does this menu seem too high in calories? And just how many calories should I be shooting for anyways? Could some of you please give me examples of the food you eat during induction to lose weight? I'm so very frustrated at not having lost much weight. Thanks so much!
Michelle 202 lbs., goal = 150 lbs.
Nina - 20 Jan 2004 01:46 GMT >> Here is a typical day in my low-carb life: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >weight? I'm so very frustrated at not having lost much weight. >Thanks so much! I don't know if the menu is too high in calories, because "a steak or ""a chicken breast" is variable in calorie count. Your best bet would be to do the work and then come back and ask everyone, meaning you count the calories and present it to the class.
You haven't said if you've lost any wieght yet, how long you've been on the diet, etc. THose will help as well.
As for what you should be shooting for calorie-wise, the rule is generally between 8-12 calories per pound of CURRENT weight. Seeing as you're a chick, and we have a harder time losing due to our friend estrogen, I'd start at 10 cals per pound and adjust downwards from there.
Cheers, Nina
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FOB - 20 Jan 2004 02:11 GMT Induction isn't about losing weight, it's about getting into ketosis and getting rid of your cravings. Most people lose some weight during induction but you should not be worrying about it. Your caloric intake will just naturally subside after you get the carbs out of your system.
In news:692e1c38.0401191740.2525b20b@posting.google.com, GarciaGM <garciagm@comcast.net> stated
| I posted this message previously and didn't get much feedback, so I | thought I would try again. I'm still trying desperately to lose [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | Michelle | 202 lbs., goal = 150 lbs. Tara. - 17 Jan 2004 07:48 GMT > Can you breastfeed AND do low carb? Yes you can. I belong to a Yahoo group called Pregnant Atkids - most of the women there LC'd throughout their pregnancy and breastfeeding, with no problems. Most recommend either maintenance or OWL levels of carbs.
Tara www.dazzled.com/lowcarb - my homepage
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