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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004How quickly can Livers be damaged?
Okay, a coworker of mine was talking about how he used to do Atkins. I asked him how long he was on it, and he said 6 weeks. (doesn't seem like very long at all to me) Anyhow, he said that his doctor told him that he needed to stop with the Atkins immediately. The doctor had done a test and claimed that he had caused severe liver damage and that it was because of the Atkins. This doesn't even sound right to me. Mostly the part that sounds unbelievable is the idea that somebody can damage their liver in 6 weeks. Isn't alcohol one of the most liver-damaging substances that humans consume? And doesn't the liver put up with years of alcohol abuse before showing signs of damage? If anybody has more information on this, please let me know. -- Spring LC since 1/1/04 250/239/170 It's like the twin brothers Lemonjello and Orangejello -- everyone's heard of them, but no one has met them. > Okay, a coworker of mine was talking about how he used to do Atkins. > I asked him how long he was on it, and he said 6 weeks. (doesn't seem like [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > LC since 1/1/04 > 250/239/170 > It's like the twin brothers Lemonjello and Orangejello -- everyone's heard > of them, but no one has met them. Uh huh - My father-in-law had them in his driver's ed class 4 years ago. -- Spring LC since 1/1/04 250/239/170 > This doesn't even sound right to me. Mostly the part that sounds > unbelievable is the idea that somebody can damage their liver in 6 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If anybody has more information on this, please let me know. Larry Hagman (JR From Dallas fame) is dying cause he stupidly started drinking again this past year and his liver transplant was damaged and is now failing! > > This doesn't even sound right to me. Mostly the part that sounds > > unbelievable is the idea that somebody can damage their liver in 6 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > drinking again this past year > and his liver transplant was damaged and is now failing! Must be down to Atkins then ;o) its bullshit.  Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie "Hell they won't lie to me/ Not on my own damn TV/ But how much is a liar's word worth/ And whatever happened to peace on earth?" ....................................Willie Nelson REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME ****VOTE**** > Okay, a coworker of mine was talking about how he used to do Atkins. > I asked him how long he was on it, and he said 6 weeks. (doesn't seem like [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > LC since 1/1/04 > 250/239/170 You tell 'em rosie! Placid > its bullshit. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > LC since 1/1/04 > > 250/239/170 >its bullshit. is that a bull with balls or,,,,, jes something that looks like a bull making a fecal statement? MërëMåLË *.·´¨¨)) ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))* *((¸¸.·´ ..·´ ((¸¸.·´* How Much? http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/npc/anzfa_npc/ How Does That Work? http://tgos.org/newbie/rules.html http://livinginternet.com/u/ua.htm http://www.urbandictionary.com http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search http://www.newsreaders.com/link/link.cgi?group=comp.test Need A Friend? http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script > Okay, a coworker of mine was talking about how he used to do Atkins. > I asked him how long he was on it, and he said 6 weeks. (doesn't seem like [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This doesn't even sound right to me. Mostly the part that sounds > unbelievable is the idea that somebody can damage their liver in 6 weeks. An overdose of tylenol can do it pretty fast. > Isn't alcohol one of the most liver-damaging substances that humans consume? > And doesn't the liver put up with years of alcohol abuse before showing > signs of damage? Usually, but livers are funny things. In any case, I seriously doubt that it was the diet. > If anybody has more information on this, please let me know. Suggest to him that his doctor should document this for the literature. Martha SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. >Okay, a coworker of mine was talking about how he used to do Atkins. >I asked him how long he was on it, and he said 6 weeks. (doesn't seem like [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >If anybody has more information on this, please let me know. INformation sounds vague ("severe liver damage") and doesn't really explian what is wrong. Doctors are ordinary people, not the superhuman geniuses that people make them out to be. As such they mistakenly allow prejudices and personal opinions affect the way they treat patients. My brother's doctor wanted to put him on cholesterol medication the moment he heard he was doing atkins (actual test results were unseen). Another friends mother went to the doctor with a series of symptoms. The doctor said it was all in her head caused by stress. Her husband started showing the same exact symptoms, the wife told him the doctor's diagnosis. The husband went in to the same doctor and the doctor ordered an assortment of tests including a CAT scan and found out what was wrong. The doctor (a guy) disregarded the patient's own concern because she was a woman. Same symptoms on a guy gets thousands of dollars in tests. The mother changed doctors immediately and choose a woman doctor to treat her instead. Point is doctors will ignore facts and go with their own opinions. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) > Another friends mother went to the doctor with a series of symptoms. > The doctor said it was all in her head caused by stress. Her husband [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Point is doctors will ignore facts and go with their own opinions. Well, not all doctors do that. But a lot of them do the same thing with heart disease and women. Marsha/Ohio >> Another friends mother went to the doctor with a series of symptoms. >> The doctor said it was all in her head caused by stress. Her husband [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Marsha/Ohio No, nobody does everything the same way, but every doctor is a person who will let their personal opinions and hang-ups affect therit professional judgement. Unfortunately with doctors it affects other people's health. Male-female biases are abundant. Even guys who seems one way in front of a woman act differently when no women are around. I seem to recall a post here where a woman said her doctor said to her "your fat because you eat like a pig, you look like a pig cause your are a pig" No doctor would EVER dare say that to a man out of fear of his head being put through a plate glass window. But obviously treating a female patient like a piece of sh.t who deserved no respect was okey-dokey. In general I think women are better served by female doctors. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) There's no way a low carb diet could damage a healthy liver. There have been quite a few rigorous medical studies done this year which have laid to rest the suspicions that the diet was harmful. They were only guesses and are not borne out by any research. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > Okay, a coworker of mine was talking about how he used to do Atkins. > I asked him how long he was on it, and he said 6 weeks. (doesn't seem like [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > LC since 1/1/04 > 250/239/170 I think he has his organs mixed up. If one stays on induction long enough, way over 6 weeks, you could damage your kidneys. But I think you have to be on induction for over a year for it to happen or something like that. Patty > Okay, a coworker of mine was talking about how he used to do Atkins. > I asked him how long he was on it, and he said 6 weeks. (doesn't seem like [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > LC since 1/1/04 > 250/239/170 LOL, not this old chestnut still. ;-) Debbie > I think he has his organs mixed up. If one stays on induction long enough, > way over 6 weeks, you could damage your kidneys. But I think you have to be > on induction for over a year for it to happen or something like that. ! =----- >LOL, not this old chestnut still. ;-) > >Debbie More propaganda by the SBD shills, thinks moi. Susan >LOL, not this old chestnut still. ;-) yeppers,, still sitting on a few chests too - it appears. MërëMåLË *.·´¨¨)) ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))* *((¸¸.·´ ..·´ ((¸¸.·´* How Much? http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/npc/anzfa_npc/ How Does That Work? http://tgos.org/newbie/rules.html http://livinginternet.com/u/ua.htm http://www.urbandictionary.com http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search http://www.newsreaders.com/link/link.cgi?group=comp.test Need A Friend? http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script >I think he has his organs mixed up. If one stays on induction long enough, >way over 6 weeks, you could damage your kidneys. But I think you have to be >on induction for over a year for it to happen or something like that. > >Patty I've heard this one and it made no sense. Years ago someone said that the higher protein would damage the kidneys. I had to laugh at this-it was a women which makes more sense why she belieeved this. The average guy spends the ages of 14 through 25 eating protein, fat and carbs. The typical guy isn't eating salad and veggies. My own brothers won't eat but 1 or 2 vegetables and eat salad less than 3 times a year. They don't like fish or pork, so they basically eat red meat, chicken & turkey & carbs ... for the last 40 years. The idea that they should all have failing kidneys cause they were on it for a few months is ridiculous. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) In response to DigitalVinyl's post: >> I think he has his organs mixed up. If one stays on induction long >> enough, way over 6 weeks, you could damage your kidneys. But I think [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > ridiculous. > DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) If high protein / low carb diets easily caused kidney damage then every Gold's gym would have a dialysis center right next door. Serious weight lifters have long since proven that the kidney yarn is B.S. SignatureStephen S. 331 / 286 / 220 <- as of 14 Jan. 04 LC since 28 Sept. 03 http://dragonfen.com/diet -------------------------------- Dr. Richard K. Bernstein's book, Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution, explains in great, technical detail just exactly why low carbing will improve your kidney's health rather than damage it assuming you aren't in late stage kidney disease and how it is carbohydrates that cause diabetic kidney damage (by attaching glucose to the proteins so that they become big, sticky "glycated proteins") , not the dietary protein itself. The explanation is well worth reading by anyone who worries about this. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > I think he has his organs mixed up. If one stays on induction long enough, > way over 6 weeks, you could damage your kidneys. But I think you have to be [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > LC since 1/1/04 > > 250/239/170 > Dr. Richard K. Bernstein's book, Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution, > explains in great, technical detail just exactly why low carbing will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The explanation is well worth reading by anyone who worries about this. I so argee. All i was pointing out was that something taken to an extreme can be dangerous. Induction for a prolonged peroid (over a year, compared to two weeks that atkin's recommeneds) can be danderous to the kidneys as well as the over all body health. Not the diet itself. I think following atkins is a very safe diet, just don't be an extremist about it. I personally think everything in moderation is a good approach to life. Patty > -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, > hba1c 5.2. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > LC since 1/1/04 > > > 250/239/170 Killing your liver with a diet? Maybe if you had a couple of Tylenol with a glass of wine every night for dessert.... > Okay, a coworker of mine was talking about how he used to do Atkins. > I asked him how long he was on it, and he said 6 weeks. (doesn't seem like [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > LC since 1/1/04 > 250/239/170 > Killing your liver with a diet? Maybe if you had a couple of Tylenol with a > glass of wine every night for dessert.... Or some killer mushrooms. SignatureSaffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 Depends on how long you cook them... Kalish > Depends on how long you cook them... Kalish LOL! SignatureSaffire 205/176/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 >Okay, a coworker of mine was talking about how he used to do Atkins. IC that Chinese bloke left the door open again last night. <muttered whilst scrubbing blackboard clean - Again!> MërëMåLË *.·´¨¨)) ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))* *((¸¸.·´ ..·´ ((¸¸.·´* How Much? http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/npc/anzfa_npc/ How Does That Work? http://tgos.org/newbie/rules.html http://livinginternet.com/u/ua.htm http://www.urbandictionary.com http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search http://www.newsreaders.com/link/link.cgi?group=comp.test Need A Friend? http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script |
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