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Tabi Kasanari - 17 Jan 2004 21:55 GMT
January 18, 2004
Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
By MARIAN BURROS

After advising dieters for years to satisfy their hunger with liberal
amounts of steak, eggs and other saturated fats, the promoters of the Atkins
diet now say that people on their plan should limit the amount of red meat
and saturated fat they eat.

Responding to years of criticism from scientists that the Atkins version of
a low-carbohydrate, high-fat regimen might lead to heart disease and other
health problems, the director of research and education for Atkins
Nutritionals, Colette Heimowitz, is telling health professionals in seminars
around the country that only 20 percent of a dieter's calories should come
from saturated fat. Atkins Nutritionals was set up by Dr. Robert C. Atkins
to sell Atkins products and promote the diet.

An Atkins spokesman said Ms. Heimowitz has been giving these seminars for
five years, but that they do not represent a departure from the original
premise of the diet.

Atkins representatives say that Dr. Atkins, who died last year, always
maintained that people should eat other food besides red meat, but had
difficulty getting that message out. There has been a revision in expressing
how the diet should be followed, not in the diet itself, they say.

But officials have not made the revision clear to consumers, and Atkins is
widely known as the diet that lets you eat all the meat you want.

Dr. Atkins did more than anyone else to popularize the idea that dieters
could eat fat and lose weight. As millions followed his advice, sales of red
meat soared and steakhouses grew in popularity. His book "Dr. Atkins' New
Diet Revolution" has sold 15 million copies. Atkins Nutritionals reported
$100 million in revenues for 2002.

The change comes as Atkins faces competition from other popular
low-carbohydrate diets that call for less saturated fat. A book on one such
plan, the South Beach Diet, came out in April 2003 and has sold more than
five million copies. Atkins representatives made the revision, Ms. Heimowitz
said, because "we want physicians to feel comfortable with this diet, and we
want people who are going to their physicians with this diet to feel
comfortable."

The Atkins regimen remains a high-fat diet. But Atkins officials are
specifying the amount that should be saturated ? the kind that comes from
meat, cheese and butter ? and the amount that should be unsaturated ? the
kind that comes from most vegetable oils and fish. The revision places more
emphasis on fish and chicken.

Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
here's the program that is counterintuitive," he said. " `You can eat a lot
of bacon and steak.' It was the marketing of the book. The media saw it as a
sexy story."

"Perhaps what was communicated in the past was unclear," he said. "We would
agree with that."

So why not tell people straight out that you can't eat all the steak and
eggs you want, Mr. Wolff was asked.

"Interesting question," he said as he hung up to catch a plane.

The clarification came as a surprise to Atkins dieters who were interviewed.
"A lot of people will be totally shocked," said Ellen Bain, a graphic
designer in Brooklyn. The message she said she had taken away from reading
Atkins books and Web sites was: "The fat in the diet is very good for you;
it doesn't make any difference what kind of fat it is. There are no limits
of any kind in the meat department, like steak and eggs for breakfast, a
burger for lunch and beef stir-fry for dinner."

Ms. Bain, who said she has lost 48 pounds on the Atkins diet since July 1,
said, "Is it possible that now they are revising their thinking?"

Beef, pork, lamb and butter were on the list of "foods you may eat
liberally" in "The New Diet Revolution," first published in 1992; its update
is No. 1 on the New York Times advice, how-to and miscellaneous paperback
best-seller list.

"Atkins for Life," the newest book written by Dr. Atkins and published a few
months before his death last year, says: "You should always eat a balance of
different types of natural fat." The precise proportion of saturated and
unsaturated fat was unspecified, Ms. Heimowitz said, because "trying to tell
consumers to do math is futile."

Russ Klein, a marketing executive, who has been on Atkins since Dec. 21,
interpreted the phrase "foods you may eat liberally" to mean "eat until you
are full." And, he added, "I think it's probably true you can eat all the
red meat you want."

Ms. Heimowitz said people read the phrase "eat liberally" as a license to
gorge on red meat. "Not making a distinction between one kind of protein and
another, that was a mistake," Ms. Heimowitz, "and that is why we had to
write another book, to get the story straight."

But, she added, "Even in the old book it says `eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.' "

Total fat in the revised Atkins diet remains much higher than other diets
recommend: 60 percent of the calories are still derived from fat, twice the
level recommended by the Agriculture Department. Of that, one-third can be
saturated fat ? also twice the level recommended by the department. The rest
should be poly- and mono-unsaturated fats.

That means that a person who eats 1,500 calories a day could eat a 17-ounce
strip steak every day, according to Mindy Hermann, a registered dietitian.
After the diet's first phase, the amount of fat allowed drops to 55 percent,
but the percentage of saturated fat stays the same.

Dr. Atkins said that carbohydrates caused obesity and eating fat helped
regulate levels of insulin, which helps produce body fat. Ms. Heimowitz
said, "Saturated fat isn't as much of an issue when carbohydrates are
controlled; it's only dangerous in excess when carbs are high."

But Dr. Frank M. Sacks, a professor of cardiovascular disease prevention at
the Harvard School of Public Health, scoffed at those scientific claims.
"What they are saying is ridiculous," he said. The revision, he added, " has
nothing to do with science; it has to do with public relations and
politics."

The medical establishment largely disputes Dr. Atkins's reasoning and says
that high levels of saturated fats are dangerous.

Dr. George L. Blackburn, associate director in the division of nutrition at
Harvard Medical School, said the diet's new version is "definitely
healthier," but that "all of the studies we have on Atkins are based on the
Atkins of the 1970's: eat all you can as long as you keep carbs out."

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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Tabi Kasanari

placidbull - 17 Jan 2004 22:14 GMT
hmmm ....

my total average fat intake is 59% ... my saturated is 19% ... poly is 14%
... mono is 26% ... I didn't try to control the percentages of fat ... that
is just the way it works out by eating steak, eggs, mayonnaise, et al.

so for having 59% of my calories coming from fat I would say that the diet
works very well since my ldl hdl and triglicerie ratios have improved a
whopping 67%, I have been able to stop taking cholesteral medication and
blood pressure medications ...

any food scientists that would contradict the low-carb diet ... I would
guess are speaking from opinions, not from facts ... the low-carb diet
definitely works ... for me !!

Placid
203/155/149
> January 18, 2004
> Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
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>
> Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
Jean B. - 17 Jan 2004 22:50 GMT
> January 18, 2004
> Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
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> --
> Tabi Kasanari

Why is this coming out after Atkins is dead?  He had plenty of
time to make things perfectly clear.  
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Jean B.

lbudney@pobox.com - 17 Jan 2004 23:27 GMT
> Why is this coming out after Atkins is dead?  He had plenty of time
> to make things perfectly clear.

Because it isn't Atkins's idea. His heirs are modifying his
recommendations to increase mainstream acceptance and blunt criticism,
thereby expanding the diet's popularity.

--Len.

PS I Am Not A Psychic, but I'll gladly take your bet...
Jean B. - 17 Jan 2004 23:57 GMT
> > Why is this coming out after Atkins is dead?  He had plenty of time
> > to make things perfectly clear.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> PS I Am Not A Psychic, but I'll gladly take your bet...

I have no bet, because I am thinking the same thing.  Anyway,
weren't we always free to interpret fat in any way we chose?
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Jean B.

AmyB - 20 Jan 2004 00:59 GMT
Expanding the popularity  . . . ..   maybe.

But these modifications HAVE to be undermining the successfulness of the
diet,  don't they??

--
AmyB
LC since 12/01/03
238/227/165

> > Why is this coming out after Atkins is dead?  He had plenty of time
> > to make things perfectly clear.
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>
> PS I Am Not A Psychic, but I'll gladly take your bet...
tcomeau - 20 Jan 2004 14:40 GMT
> Expanding the popularity  . . . ..   maybe.
>
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> LC since 12/01/03
> 238/227/165

I don't think so. Beef is only one of many sources of protein, like
pork, chicken, fish, eggs, venison, etc. To suggest that one not eat
the really fat beef in the hugest amounts isn't really much of a
restriction.

TC
Steven C \(Doktersteve\) - 18 Jan 2004 00:25 GMT
> > January 18, 2004
> > Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
> > By MARIAN BURROS

<SNIP>

> Why is this coming out after Atkins is dead?  He had plenty of
> time to make things perfectly clear.
> --
> Jean B.

Hi Jean,

This isn't related to the topic, but I was just thinking that in the future,
if you could please cut out a little of the original post on long threads
like this, it would be great.

Thanks.
Jean B. - 18 Jan 2004 00:46 GMT
"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote:

> Hi Jean,
>
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>
> Thanks.

Oh, I usually do (as in this post).  I left the article in
deliberately, because sometimes people don't see the original
post, and that didn't lend itself to cutting.  Also, my comment
pertained to the whole thing.
Signature

Jean B.

Tim Tyler - 18 Jan 2004 12:33 GMT
In sci.med.nutrition Jean B. <jbxyz@rcn.com> wrote or quoted:
> "Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote:

> > This isn't related to the topic, but I was just thinking that in the future,
> > if you could please cut out a little of the original post on long threads
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> post, and that didn't lend itself to cutting.  Also, my comment
> pertained to the whole thing.

If you think the resulting effect is remotely desirable for readers,
then it seems as though you need reeducating rather than reminding.
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Doug Freese - 18 Jan 2004 12:30 GMT
> Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
> trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> "Perhaps what was communicated in the past was unclear," he said. "We would
> agree with that."

What a bull sh.t cop-out. They are now going try to convince the
world that eating 6 bacon cheese burgers(without the roll) a day may
not be healthy. What a startling conclusion.  Somehow they couldn't
find the words to convey moderation?  "The check is in mail" or
better said the check is NOT in the mail from the book and ancillary
other stuff they $$hawk$$.  And we bad mouth Enron, cigarette
companies, etc. for being devious.

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"Caveat Lector"
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Mucho M_uns - 20 Jan 2004 22:49 GMT
>> Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
>> trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> "Perhaps what was communicated in the past was unclear," he said. "We would
>> agree with that."

>What a bull sh.t cop-out. They are now going try to convince the
>world that eating 6 bacon cheese burgers(without the roll) a day may
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>other stuff they $$hawk$$.  And we bad mouth Enron, cigarette
>companies, etc. for being devious.

There have been a thousands posts on this newsgroup claiming how all
the scientists and all the doctors and all the researchers who found
(excessive) sat fat diets dangerous and linked to cardiac diseases
were oh so wrong and HA HA 'I'm eating cheese and bacon every day
Lookee me."

The truth is coming home to roost and it is roosting squarely in the
heads of those that I now say...

I told you so.

http://www.moonglow.net/ccd/pictures/moon/index.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Tony Lew - 21 Jan 2004 03:15 GMT
> >> Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
> >> trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> were oh so wrong and HA HA 'I'm eating cheese and bacon every day
> Lookee me."

Thousands of scientist and doctors and researchers can't be wrong?
Three words:

                   HORMONE REPLACENT THERAPY

> The truth is coming home to roost and it is roosting squarely in the
> heads of those that I now say...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> http://www.moonglow.net/ccd/pictures/moon/index.html
> Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Tony Lew - 21 Jan 2004 03:16 GMT
> >> Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
> >> trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> were oh so wrong and HA HA 'I'm eating cheese and bacon every day
> Lookee me."

Thousands of scientist and doctors and researchers can't be wrong?
Three words:

                   HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY

> The truth is coming home to roost and it is roosting squarely in the
> heads of those that I now say...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> http://www.moonglow.net/ccd/pictures/moon/index.html
> Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
tcomeau - 21 Jan 2004 14:49 GMT
> > >> Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
> > >> trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
>                     HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY

   THALIDOMIDE

TC
Mirek Fidler - 21 Jan 2004 15:47 GMT
> There have been a thousands posts on this newsgroup claiming how all
> the scientists and all the doctors and all the researchers who found
> (excessive) sat fat diets dangerous and linked to cardiac diseases

Do you mean same scientists and doctors advocating margarine for butter
replacement several years ago?

That alone would make me a little bit cautious toward scientists and
doctors....

Mirek
Largest Mu_n - 21 Jan 2004 19:47 GMT
>> There have been a thousands posts on this newsgroup claiming how all
>> the scientists and all the doctors and all the researchers who found
>> (excessive) sat fat diets dangerous and linked to cardiac diseases

>Do you mean same scientists and doctors advocating margarine for butter
>replacement several years ago?

if the shoe fits.........

>That alone would make me a little bit cautious toward scientists and
>doctors....

All doctors, at one time, performed surgery without proper hygiene. do
you avoid cardiac surgeons if you need a quad bypass then?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap000620.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Largest Mu_n - 21 Jan 2004 19:47 GMT
>> Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
>> trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> "Perhaps what was communicated in the past was unclear," he said. "We would
>> agree with that."

>What a bull sh.t cop-out. They are now going try to convince the
>world that eating 6 bacon cheese burgers(without the roll) a day may
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>other stuff they $$hawk$$.  And we bad mouth Enron, cigarette
>companies, etc. for being devious.

There have been a thousands posts on this newsgroup claiming how all
the scientists and all the doctors and all the researchers who found
(excessive) sat fat diets dangerous and linked to cardiac diseases
were oh so wrong and HA HA 'I'm eating cheese and bacon every day
Lookee me."

The truth is coming home to roost and it is roosting squarely in the
heads of those that I now say...

I told you so.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap000620.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
tcomeau - 19 Jan 2004 15:14 GMT
> January 18, 2004
> Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> difficulty getting that message out. There has been a revision in expressing
> how the diet should be followed, not in the diet itself, they say.

It's kinda like the "Not for internal use" warnings on the shampoo
bottles. It doesn't matter how you package it, there will always be
some yahoo that interprets things in an idiotic manner.

I recall reading one post where a person had a friend advise her to
eat three pounds of bacon in one meal. This was his interpretation of
a "high-protein" diet.

If people used their heads and actually read the book and undestood
it, they wouldn't have to issue clarifications like this.

TC
John - 19 Jan 2004 16:53 GMT
Dr. Atkins himself in his original book is the one who gave an example of a
man who ate five pounds of red meat a day and lost weight.

> > January 18, 2004
> > Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> TC
Susan - 19 Jan 2004 17:08 GMT
>Dr. Atkins himself in his original book is the one who gave an example of a
>man who ate five pounds of red meat a day and lost weight.

And red meat is not just a vehicle for sat fat.  Sirloin is higher in mono and
pufas than in saturated fat, for example.

Susan
LCer09 - 19 Jan 2004 20:39 GMT
The Atkins website has responded...

Atkins Has Not Changed
Monday January 19, 9:31 am ET
ATKINS NUTRITIONALS, INC. statement on The New York Times article, 'Make That
Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters'

NEW YORK, Jan. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- The January 18 article in The New York Times
and the subsequent publicity is yet another dramatically inappropriate example
of the media reporting on the media and perpetuating a false report on Atkins.
This is a great disservice to the millions upon millions of Atkins followers
who have been benefiting from this nutritional approach for over 30 years.

The accusation in today's media claiming that Atkins is retreating from its
long held position on the consumption of fat is simply wrong. It is a false
premise created by members of the media itself based on input from "experts"
who apparently have never read any of Dr. Atkins books, nor have even casually
browsed the Atkins web site "Atkins.com".

Atkins has not changed. The basic tenets of the Atkins Nutritional Approach,
consistent since 1972, are control the intake of refined carbohydrates (like
sugar and white flour), eat a balance of fats (including saturated fat but not
trans fats) and a balance of proteins including red meat. Saturated fat remains
a valuable part of the Atkins Nutritional Approach(TM). And, again, there is
absolutely no science to support any claims that eating red meat and saturated
fat as part of your Atkins program is anything other then beneficial. These
protocols have been consistently reinforced as safe, effective and beneficial
by 17 studies over the past three years.

Equally as important and equally as troubling, is the attempt once again by
critics of Atkins to ignore fact, science and the clear messages stated in Dr.
Atkins' own words over the past 32 years, in order to sensationalize the ANA as
the "all-the-steak-you-can-eat" approach. This has never been true and the
millions of followers and health care professionals who have read Dr. Atkins'
books clearly understand this. We would urge anyone who is confused, including
the media to simply read Atkins New Diet Revolution, Atkins For Life or visit
our website (www.atkins.com) rather than interpret Atkins on the basis of
sensationalized reports based on hearsay and mischaracterization.

Even in the original 1972 Atkins Diet Revolution, Dr. Atkins explained, "Fat
allows for enormous variety in your diet; that vital and best of all, it keeps
you from feeling deprived. Of course, you aren't confined to steak, you can
have almost any kind of meat, fish or fowl." He continued, "One of the biggest
reasons this diet works so successfully is because you eat protein and fat ...
"

Dr. Atkins made no secret of the fact that his methodology evolved over time as
scientific discovery added new and useful information. His original 1972 book
was re-written by Dr. Atkins three times exactly because he felt it his
responsibility to keep people up to date as to the most recent and relevant
information on controlled carbohydrate nutrition and health. In the 2002
edition of Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, he wrote, "Eat either three
regular-size meals a day or four to five smaller meals. Eat liberally of
combinations of fat and protein in the form of poultry, fish, shellfish, eggs
and red meat, as well as of pure, natural fat in the form of butter,
mayonnaise, olive oil, safflower, sunflower and other vegetable oils. Adjust
the quantity you eat to suit your appetite, especially as it decreases when
hungry, eat the amount that makes your feel satisfied but not stuffed ... "

By providing followers with a lifelong strategy, including exercise and meal
plans (at various carb thresholds) incorporating a wide range of foods, Dr.
Atkins believed through Atkins for Life, the misconceptions that his approach
consisted only of eating red meat would be put to rest. His simple goal was
that people would come to understand how to incorporate his controlled
carbohydrate nutritional approach as the first step in gaining control of their
nutritional out-of-control lives.

Millions of consumers who benefit from doing Atkins understand that the Atkins
Nutritional Approach (ANA) is a very effective four phase nutritional approach.
The ANA focuses on moving consumers from diets saturated with refined
carbohydrates like sugar and white flour to a lifestyle of eating whole foods,
emphasizing the consumption of nutrient dense foods like leafy vegetables and
bringing into balance the consumption of proteins and fat.

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 265/237/140
& hubby- 310/264.5/180
Pat Paris - 20 Jan 2004 02:27 GMT
>The Atkins website has responded...
>
>Atkins Has Not Changed

Interesting.  None of the references to Dr. Atkins published works
says anything about limiting saturated fats to 20% of total calories.
So, was the NY Times article wrong or is Atkins Nutritionals
backpedaling?
Alice Faber - 20 Jan 2004 03:15 GMT
> >The Atkins website has responded...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> So, was the NY Times article wrong or is Atkins Nutritionals
> backpedaling?

The point that (almost) everyone seems to be missing is the possibility
that *if* you follow the sample menus provided in DANDR and extrapolate
from them, you'll end up with an appropriate level of saturated fat
without making any effort at all to meet a particular sat fat target. I
just ran through what I ate today. What I got out of MasterCook seems
high on carbs for what I ate (I wasn't paying attention to fiber in
these calculations), but it came out to 3.6% of total calories, so I
think I just ate too much at lunch (after shoveling snow in the
morning). The saturated fat percentage came out to 26% of total
calories, and it's clearly because I ate too much cheese, something
Atkins and others warn against. (I just checked my copy of DANDR; it
says to limit cheese to 3-4 oz daily, and I had at least 5 oz). If I'd
had the same thing, but less cheese, I'd have been OK, but I could have
worked that out by the amount of cheese, and not by the percentage of my
calories for today from saturated fat.

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Pat Paris - 20 Jan 2004 04:45 GMT
>The point that (almost) everyone seems to be missing is the possibility
>that *if* you follow the sample menus provided in DANDR and extrapolate
>from them, you'll end up with an appropriate level of saturated fat

The point is that Dr. Atkins never said anything about "an appropriate
level of saturated fat."  Refer to Fallacy #9 in DANDR:  ". . .their
data showed that weight gain and cholesterol levels were inversely
correlated with dietary fat and cholesterol intake!  In other words,
consuming less fat and cholesterol resulted in more weight gain and
higher blood cholesterol."
Alice Faber - 20 Jan 2004 04:59 GMT
> >The point that (almost) everyone seems to be missing is the possibility
> >that *if* you follow the sample menus provided in DANDR and extrapolate
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> consuming less fat and cholesterol resulted in more weight gain and
> higher blood cholesterol."

We agree....the limitation on saturated fat follows naturally from the
limitations on cheese. If you pay attention to not eating too much
cheese, you'll end up, naturally, with the appropriate percentage of
saturated fat. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAN MEALS AROUND SATURATED FAT.

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"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
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Pat Paris - 20 Jan 2004 15:09 GMT
>> The point is that Dr. Atkins never said anything about "an appropriate
>> level of saturated fat."  Refer to Fallacy #9 in DANDR:  ". . .their
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>We agree....the limitation on saturated fat follows naturally from the
>limitations on cheese.

The limitation on cheese applies only during the Induction Phase of
Atkins.  There is no limitation on cheese in the other three phases.

>If you pay attention to not eating too much cheese, you'll end up,
>naturally, with the appropriate percentage of  saturated fat.

There is no "appropriate" percentage of saturated fat in the diet as
developed by Dr. Atkins.

>BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAN MEALS AROUND SATURATED FAT.

No, I don't.
tcomeau - 19 Jan 2004 22:31 GMT
> Dr. Atkins himself in his original book is the one who gave an example of a
> man who ate five pounds of red meat a day and lost weight.

That would be a very unfortunate thing to say when you consider the
ability and intelligence of the lowest common denominator.

One of my reservations towards the Atkins diet is that he doesn't
quantify any amounts very well. Unlike the one diet which I prefer.

TC
FOB - 20 Jan 2004 00:21 GMT
To each his own, that's exactly what I like about his approach.  He gives
some basic principles to eat by and when you understand those it is easy to
craft your consumption to fit.  I can't really say I am "doing" Atkins as I
don't measure things or count carbs and don't know what my CCL is but I
would wager that if someone did measure my intake it would fit into what I
would be eating if I had done those things.  I swore some 20 years ago that
I would never diet again, so I am not dieting now but I am eating in a low
carb way and losing weight.

In news:b550f406.0401191431.6c9bac1b@posting.google.com,
tcomeau <tunderbar@hotmail.com> stated

| That would be a very unfortunate thing to say when you consider the
| ability and intelligence of the lowest common denominator.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
|
| TC
tcomeau - 19 Jan 2004 22:32 GMT
> Dr. Atkins himself in his original book is the one who gave an example of a
> man who ate five pounds of red meat a day and lost weight.

Correction. I meant the Zone diet, not the "one" diet.

TC
Susan - 19 Jan 2004 22:38 GMT
>Correction. I meant the Zone diet, not the "one" diet.
>
>TC

The strength of Atkins and Protein Power is the customization based upon
individual needs.  It's a serious weakness of the Zone diet, which almost
nobody can stand to use as written.

Susan
Howard - 20 Jan 2004 02:18 GMT
>After advising dieters for years to satisfy their hunger with liberal
>amounts of steak, eggs and other saturated fats, the promoters of the Atkins
>diet now say that people on their plan should limit the amount of red meat
>and saturated fat they eat.

Atkins Nutritionals was sold *for a lot of money* to another group
after Dr. Atkins died.

Atkins Nutritionals has no more concern with human health or weight
loss than the USDA does.  It's all about money.  It's run by
investors, for investors.

Atkins Nutritionals is pushing a shitload of fake food crap under the
label of "low-carb". People will decide that these fake foods are ok
to eat, and when they fail to lose weight (or worse, worsen their
health), they will denounce "low-carb".

Commercial success of Atkins Nutritionals will do more harm to
low-carb than all of the 'nutritional experts' naysaying combined.

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