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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Anyone have trouble with nuts?
A few weeks ago I started the South Beach Diet. Part of the diet was raw almonds. For three days (not in a row) I ate 15 raw almonds a day. For three days in the evening about 4 hours after eating them I had tremendous pain in my abdomen through to my back. The only thing that my diet added (although I have taken plenty away) was the nuts. The pain lasted into the night and went away sometime after I feel asleep. I have eaten nuts before but not these and never had any trouble, that I can remember. I went off the low carb diet in case it was that and not just the nuts. Yesterday at lunch I thought I would give it another shot and had meat, salad and sunflower seeds along with a handful of peanuts. Last night, I was sick again. I guess my question is, are there people that can not digest just nuts? I have never had stomach problems. The thought of something else being wrong does not seem likely since the pain coincides with my eating nuts :( Am I just a nut? lol >I guess my question is, are there people that can not digest just nuts? I have never had stomach problems. The thought of something else being wrong does not seem likely since the pain coincides with my eating nuts :( You know that old joke where the patient goes to his doctor and says, "Doc, it hurts when I do this.." And the doctor says, "Then don't do that!" If you've always eaten nuts before, then it's something else. If you never ate nuts before, you might have an allergy which in some cases can even be fatal - so stop eating nuts and see if you still have the pains. There are other lots of other things to eat. Kalish You are right of course, I just wondered I guess if it was a total no carb thing that did it, but I think it was those two nuts, I have decided to go low carb, less than 50g a day and leave out the nuts. Thanks for responding, it always takes someone telling you what you already know to confirm what you suspect <S> On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:55:34 -0700, "Bren" <brenbTHREEZS@earthlink.net> wrote: >I guess my question is, are there people that can not digest just nuts? I have never had stomach problems. The thought of something else being wrong does not seem likely since the pain coincides with my eating nuts :( You know that old joke where the patient goes to his doctor and says, "Doc, it hurts when I do this.." And the doctor says, "Then don't do that!" If you've always eaten nuts before, then it's something else. If you never ate nuts before, you might have an allergy which in some cases can even be fatal - so stop eating nuts and see if you still have the pains. There are other lots of other things to eat. Kalish Bren -- make sure you're getting goodly amounts of fiber and liquid in your diet. :: You are right of course, I just wondered I guess if it was a total :: no carb thing that did it, but I think it was those two nuts, I have [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :: have the pains. There are other lots of other things to eat. :: Kalish You bet I will :) Thanks Bren -- make sure you're getting goodly amounts of fiber and liquid in your diet. Bren wrote: :: You are right of course, I just wondered I guess if it was a total :: no carb thing that did it, but I think it was those two nuts, I have [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] :: have the pains. There are other lots of other things to eat. :: Kalish > A few weeks ago I started the South Beach Diet. Part of the diet was > raw almonds. For three days (not in a row) I ate 15 raw almonds a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Am I just a nut? lol It's very possible to have an allergy to one type of nut or seed and not another. I doubt it's the low carb diet in general. You might want to see a doctor and be tested for food allergies. They can be extremely serious or become so very quickly. You are right of course :) "Bren" <brenbTHREEZS@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:buekqt$gj45g$1@ID-212547.news.uni-berlin.de> > I guess my question is, are there people that can not digest just > nuts? I have never had stomach problems. The thought of something > else being wrong does not seem likely since the pain coincides with > my eating nuts :( > > Am I just a nut? lol It's very possible to have an allergy to one type of nut or seed and not another. I doubt it's the low carb diet in general. You might want to see a doctor and be tested for food allergies. They can be extremely serious or become so very quickly. Mine itch. A few weeks ago I started the South Beach Diet. Part of the diet was raw almonds. For three days (not in a row) I ate 15 raw almonds a day. For three days in the evening about 4 hours after eating them I had tremendous pain in my abdomen through to my back. The only thing that my diet added (although I have taken plenty away) was the nuts. The pain lasted into the night and went away sometime after I feel asleep. I have eaten nuts before but not these and never had any trouble, that I can remember. I went off the low carb diet in case it was that and not just the nuts. Yesterday at lunch I thought I would give it another shot and had meat, salad and sunflower seeds along with a handful of peanuts. Last night, I was sick again. I guess my question is, are there people that can not digest just nuts? I have never had stomach problems. The thought of something else being wrong does not seem likely since the pain coincides with my eating nuts :( Am I just a nut? lol ekkkkkkkkk lol Mine itch. "Bren" <brenbTHREEZS@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:buekqt$gj45g$1@ID-212547.news.uni-berlin.de... A few weeks ago I started the South Beach Diet. Part of the diet was raw almonds. For three days (not in a row) I ate 15 raw almonds a day. For three days in the evening about 4 hours after eating them I had tremendous pain in my abdomen through to my back. The only thing that my diet added (although I have taken plenty away) was the nuts. The pain lasted into the night and went away sometime after I feel asleep. I have eaten nuts before but not these and never had any trouble, that I can remember. I went off the low carb diet in case it was that and not just the nuts. Yesterday at lunch I thought I would give it another shot and had meat, salad and sunflower seeds along with a handful of peanuts. Last night, I was sick again. I guess my question is, are there people that can not digest just nuts? I have never had stomach problems. The thought of something else being wrong does not seem likely since the pain coincides with my eating nuts :( Am I just a nut? lol Look into Diverticulitis. Also, you are NOT required to eat the nuts on SBD, its just a snack! Until recently, many doctors suggested avoiding foods with small seeds such as tomatoes or strawberries because they believed that particles could lodge in the diverticula and cause inflammation. However, it is now generally accepted that only foods that may irritate or get caught in the diverticula cause problems. Foods such as nuts, popcorn hulls, and sunflower, pumpkin, caraway, and sesame seeds should be avoided. The seeds in tomatoes, zucchini, cucumbers, strawberries, and raspberries, as well as poppy seeds, are generally considered harmless. http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/diverticulosis/index.htm#2 A few weeks ago I started the South Beach Diet. Part of the diet was raw almonds. For three days (not in a row) I ate 15 raw almonds a day. For three days in the evening about 4 hours after eating them I had tremendous pain in my abdomen through to my back. The only thing that my diet added (although I have taken plenty away) was the nuts. The pain lasted into the night and went away sometime after I feel asleep. I have eaten nuts before but not these and never had any trouble, that I can remember. I went off the low carb diet in case it was that and not just the nuts. Yesterday at lunch I thought I would give it another shot and had meat, salad and sunflower seeds along with a handful of peanuts. Last night, I was sick again. I guess my question is, are there people that can not digest just nuts? I have never had stomach problems. The thought of something else being wrong does not seem likely since the pain coincides with my eating nuts :( Am I just a nut? lol :: Until recently, many doctors suggested avoiding foods with small :: seeds such as tomatoes or strawberries because they believed that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: considered harmless. :: http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/diverticulosis/index.htm#2 I wonder when that statement/article was written. In early 2002 I learned I had diverticulosis. I had started LCing in October 2001 and was having problems with frequent constipation -- and bleeding. Freaky. I could not go two weeks without problems. Anywho, long story short -- I was diagnosed with diveticulosis -- a severe case. I immediately started upping my fiber intake. Problems went away and have not returned to this day. I was given no treatment, btw. Anywho #2, they told me not to eat anything with seeds and hulls -- strawberries, nuts, popcorn, etc. I did that until around the end of Septemeber 2002. One day during that time I was at some friends home discussing with them the pro/cons of LCing. They had some medical book recently released out of Harvard (using it to support their arguments). While I didn't trust what it said about LCing since it was new I decided to look up diverticulosis. I came upon an interesting statement in that book. Basically, they said the notion of small seeds getting caught in the diverticula had no basis -- it was just one of these "common sense, word of month" things that caught on and propagated through the medical community and became "gospel truth." After reading this, that weekend I happened to be in Sam's Club. I discovered those big 40 oz jugs of Sunkist Dry Roasted and Salted Almonds. Remembering what I had read, I grabbed one. On the way home I just started eating nuts -- handfuls after handfuls. Guess what? Not a single problem. I kept eating nuts for 3 months and didn't lose a pound (I had just started lifting weights, too, and couldn't decide if I really wanted to lose weight or try to grow bigger muscles). So, as someone who was diagnosed with a severe case of diverticulosis -- I can eat nuts and popcorn (I don't often eat popcorn, but on a carbup weekend I do sometimes) and sunflower seeds on salads. Still, if I were the OP, I'd see a doc and ask about getting a colonoscopy. :: Look into Diverticulitis. Also, you are NOT required to eat the nuts :: on SBD, its just a snack! [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] :: :: Am I just a nut? lol > In early 2002 I learned I had diverticulosis. I had started LCing in > October 2001 and was having problems with frequent constipation -- and > bleeding. Freaky. I could not go two weeks without problems. My butt used to bleed EVERYTIME Id take the Z-pack (Zithromax) Antibiotic! > My butt used to bleed EVERYTIME Id take the Z-pack (Zithromax) Antibiotic! you know, you don't *have* to share EVERY LAST LITTLE f.cking DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE with us. ok, good info to think on and check out from both of you, I appreciate it all :) :: Until recently, many doctors suggested avoiding foods with small :: seeds such as tomatoes or strawberries because they believed that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: considered harmless. :: http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/diverticulosis/index.htm#2 I wonder when that statement/article was written. In early 2002 I learned I had diverticulosis. I had started LCing in October 2001 and was having problems with frequent constipation -- and bleeding. Freaky. I could not go two weeks without problems. Anywho, long story short -- I was diagnosed with diveticulosis -- a severe case. I immediately started upping my fiber intake. Problems went away and have not returned to this day. I was given no treatment, btw. Anywho #2, they told me not to eat anything with seeds and hulls -- strawberries, nuts, popcorn, etc. I did that until around the end of Septemeber 2002. One day during that time I was at some friends home discussing with them the pro/cons of LCing. They had some medical book recently released out of Harvard (using it to support their arguments). While I didn't trust what it said about LCing since it was new I decided to look up diverticulosis. I came upon an interesting statement in that book. Basically, they said the notion of small seeds getting caught in the diverticula had no basis -- it was just one of these "common sense, word of month" things that caught on and propagated through the medical community and became "gospel truth." After reading this, that weekend I happened to be in Sam's Club. I discovered those big 40 oz jugs of Sunkist Dry Roasted and Salted Almonds. Remembering what I had read, I grabbed one. On the way home I just started eating nuts -- handfuls after handfuls. Guess what? Not a single problem. I kept eating nuts for 3 months and didn't lose a pound (I had just started lifting weights, too, and couldn't decide if I really wanted to lose weight or try to grow bigger muscles). So, as someone who was diagnosed with a severe case of diverticulosis -- I can eat nuts and popcorn (I don't often eat popcorn, but on a carbup weekend I do sometimes) and sunflower seeds on salads. Still, if I were the OP, I'd see a doc and ask about getting a colonoscopy. Preesi wrote: :: Look into Diverticulitis. Also, you are NOT required to eat the nuts :: on SBD, its just a snack! [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] :: :: Am I just a nut? lol <snip> > So, as someone who was diagnosed with a severe case of diverticulosis -- I > can eat nuts and popcorn (I don't often eat popcorn, but on a carbup weekend > I do sometimes) and sunflower seeds on salads. Roger et al: How often do you do a "carbup weekend"? I'm still eating only 20 to 30 carbs per day (since Janury 7, 2003) and have stalled on my weight. Does a carbup help break a stall? Do you do carbups for personal satisfaction, medical reasons, or what? As I posted a few days ago, I am having some health problems for the first time in my life at age 50, and the ONLY thing I have changed is my 30 pounds of weight loss via LC. What I would like to understand is, what are the negative effects of staying on 30 or less grams of carbs for life? There is a lot of misinformation, I hope. Mike :: Roger Zoul wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :: :: How often do you do a "carbup weekend"? It varys for me. Sometimes only once, some times more, per month. I'm still eating only 20 to :: 30 :: carbs per day (since Janury 7, 2003) and have stalled on my weight. :: Does :: a carbup help break a stall? Do you do carbups for personal :: satisfaction, medical reasons, or what? I carb up to support weight training and the other cardio stuff I do. There is also a certain amount of personal satisfaction involved, but if you carb up right, you don't just eat anything. Specfically, you want to keep fat intake low and avoid fruit sugar. So that cuts out a lot of junk. Some people think that carbups help break stalls, but they aren't doing the kind of carb up I do. They'll likely taking about a single meal. :: As I posted a few days ago, I am having some health problems for the :: first time in my life at age 50, and the ONLY thing I have changed :: is my 30 pounds of weight loss via LC. Are you having these problem as a result of losing weight or going LC, or are they just happening now? All of those could be unrelated. :: What I would like to understand is, what are the negative effects of :: staying on 30 or less grams of carbs for life? There is a lot of :: misinformation, I hope. Why do you need to stay at 30g or less for life? Are you trying to lose weight still? If so, you might look at calories (track at fitday.com). Also, you might increase your carbs making sure you get more fiber and also increase your exercise. Of course, what you should do will depend on what your health problems are. Have you seen a doctor? > Are you having these problem as a result of losing weight or going LC, or > are they just happening now? All of those could be unrelated. They could be unrelated, but as you know, medicine is about 90% based on history. The law of cause and effect also suggests suspicion about LC with regard to these problems. There is no history of these problems in my family, and the only thing that has changed in my life is my 30 pound weight loss from LC. While I am not ready to blame these problems on LC, I am diligently searching for an answer, and LC is being given equal consideration. I'm a picture of health. My bloodwork is phenomenal in all categories. I'm taking vitamin supplements and eating a healthy mix of LC foods. > Why do you need to stay at 30g or less for life? Are you trying to lose > weight still? If so, you might look at calories (track at fitday.com). > Also, you might increase your carbs making sure you get more fiber and also > increase your exercise. Of course, what you should do will depend on what > your health problems are. Have you seen a doctor? Every time I try to increase carbs, my weight starts going up. My understanding is that the intial gain is water, but I get spooked and cut out the carbs again. Like many people who have successfully lost weight, I am petrified that I will wake up tomorrow to find out that I am gaining weight again and am unable to halt the gain. That line of thinking is courtesy of my 40 years of failing at losing weight. Yes, I would like to lose 10 more pounds. I started at 206 and weighed 176 when I last weighed. I'm a male, 5' 11-1/2". According to my doctor's calculations, my ideal weight is anything under 178. I have recently started going to a gym for the first time in my life (twice so far), but seeing progress will be very slow as I have been totally sendentary my whole life. Thankfully my 17 year old son is somewhat of a body builder, so he is helping me get started, in between chuckles. My doctor is one of my best friends. He is the person who got me started on LC. He has lost almost 60 pounds. He recommends the WOL to his overweight patients. Since he is a friend, he's at my house two or three times per week, so yes, I've seen a doctor. He says the problems are not related to LC, but yet he doesn't know their cause. Since as a nephrologist he mostly treats patients who are chronically ill, my numbness is just not the end of the world to him as it is to me. He has suggested that I go see a neurologist, if it would make me feel better. I'm happy to do so, but I want to learn as much as I can so that if the neurologist blames LC, I will know whether to believe him. Also, it is possible that I stumble on the cause based on my own research, part of which is the solication of input from others in this newsgroup who may have heard of or experienced similar problems. :: Roger Zoul wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] :: mix :: of LC foods. What are you problems? I've not heard of anyone having problems as a result of weight loss or LC. Could you be referring to constipation? ::: Why do you need to stay at 30g or less for life? Are you trying to ::: lose weight still? If so, you might look at calories (track at [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] :: am gaining weight again and am unable to halt the gain. That line of :: thinking is courtesy of my 40 years of failing at losing weight. Interesting. You might want to post your questions under a new subject so more people will be attracted to it. :: Yes, I would like to lose 10 more pounds. I started at 206 and :: weighed 176 when I last weighed. I'm a male, 5' 11-1/2". According [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: somewhat of a body builder, so he is helping me get started, in :: between chuckles. Newbies to weight training (assuming that's what you're doing) usually make quick progress, relatively speaking. Be sure to pick your movements well. You might want to use a routine from here: http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html Once you establish a regular workout program, you may find you can increase your carb level without weight gain. :: My doctor is one of my best friends. He is the person who got me :: started :: on LC. He has lost almost 60 pounds. He recommends the WOL to his :: overweight patients. Since he is a friend, he's at my house two or :: three times per week, so yes, I've seen a doctor. He says the :: problems are not related to LC, but yet he doesn't know their cause. Well, you're lucky! Your doc does LC! :: Since as a :: nephrologist he mostly treats patients who are chronically ill, my [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :: may :: have heard of or experienced similar problems. Just keep in mind one thing: your blood work is great. Factor that in when you think of whether LC is the root of your problem, as most people worry bout cholesterol. All LC is is eating certain foods. Since there is no such thing as an essential carb, you're not missing much by cutting out the starchy & sugary carbs (you should be eating the LC high fiber veggies -- which is why I'm concerned about 30 g -- but since you haven't been exercising, that number may be right for you). I'm not sure what your numbness is about, but you might as well see the neurologist asap to find out. Waiting will only cause more problems, imo. If it happens that he blames LC, then deal with that (I'm sure he won't unless he's a bonehead). >A few weeks ago I started thexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >I went off the low carb diet in case it waxxxxst the nuts. >Yesterday at lunch I thought I would give xxxxxxxxx >I guess my question is, are there peoplxxxxxxxxxxx >Am I just a nut? lol mmmm,, i'll leave that one. two things i would not do in your shoes. 1. eat nuts 2. post in HTML i have edited your response as the message was unintelligible,, other than that you had a problem with nuts. hope all goes well for you from today on. MërëMåLË *.·´¨¨)) ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))* *((¸¸.·´ ..·´ ((¸¸.·´* How Much? http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/npc/anzfa_npc/ How Does That Work? http://tgos.org/newbie/rules.html http://livinginternet.com/u/ua.htm http://www.urbandictionary.com http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search http://www.newsreaders.com/link/link.cgi?group=comp.test Need A Friend? http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script Thanks :) Sorry about the html, old habits die hard. On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:55:34 -0700, "Bren" <brenbTHREEZS@earthlink.net> wrote: >A few weeks ago I started thexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >I went off the low carb diet in case it waxxxxst the nuts. >Yesterday at lunch I thought I would give xxxxxxxxx >I guess my question is, are there peoplxxxxxxxxxxx >Am I just a nut? lol mmmm,, i'll leave that one. two things i would not do in your shoes. 1. eat nuts 2. post in HTML i have edited your response as the message was unintelligible,, other than that you had a problem with nuts. hope all goes well for you from today on. M?r?M?L? *.????)) ?.?? .????))* *((??.?? ..?? ((??.??* How Much? http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/npc/anzfa_npc/ How Does That Work? http://tgos.org/newbie/rules.html http://livinginternet.com/u/ua.htm http://www.urbandictionary.com http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search http://www.newsreaders.com/link/link.cgi?group=comp.test Need A Friend? http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script You can become allergic to any food at any time after your first exposure to it. You have to be exposed at least once to develop a immune response. Chances are you've eaten almonds and peanuts at some time during your life before the LC change. I have a similar problem with bananas and avocado - intense stomach pain. I quit eating them a long time ago. My daughter has a life-threatening peanut and almond allergy. The scary thing is that you can have a "mild reaction" (GI upset, itching) one time and the next time have your airway close down. Peanuts are actually legumes and almonds are tree nuts. My daughter's allergist said to avoid all tree nuts, but she can eat other legumes without problems. I'd get tested before eating peanuts or tree nuts again. Gretchen Thanks for the response Gretchen :) Next docs visit, I shall mention it. You can become allergic to any food at any time after your first exposure to it. You have to be exposed at least once to develop a immune response. Chances are you've eaten almonds and peanuts at some time during your life before the LC change. I have a similar problem with bananas and avocado - intense stomach pain. I quit eating them a long time ago. My daughter has a life-threatening peanut and almond allergy. The scary thing is that you can have a "mild reaction" (GI upset, itching) one time and the next time have your airway close down. Peanuts are actually legumes and almonds are tree nuts. My daughter's allergist said to avoid all tree nuts, but she can eat other legumes without problems. I'd get tested before eating peanuts or tree nuts again. Gretchen Get the needle test, the scratch test didnt detect my mold allergy at first, and I insisted on the needle test > Thanks for the response Gretchen :) > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Gretchen >Get the needle test, the scratch test didnt detect my mold allergy at first, >and I insisted >on the needle test Nut on nuts. http://www.moonglow.net/ccd/pictures/moon/index.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >>>Anyone have trouble with nuts? Heck yes. The number of nuts who have made ASDLC their home is astounding. When I left there were one or two. But upon returning it appears a squirrel has been using the place to store enough NUTS for several winters. And they all know who they are. Especially the Canadian ones. :) ~~~~~ Lee Rodgers The Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org Mesage Board BBS http://lowcarb.org/forums ~~~~~ BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! JO > >>>Anyone have trouble with nuts? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Mesage Board BBS http://lowcarb.org/forums > ~~~~~ > A few weeks ago I started the South Beach Diet. Part of the diet was raw > almonds. For three days (not in a row) I ate 15 raw almonds a day. For [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -- YEAH!! One night long before low carb DH and I sat down with a pile of salted peanuts in the shell and a cake pan. I ate gobs of nuts. On an empty stomach. I was up all night with the worst stomach ache. Dont eat nuts on an empty stomach. They are fatty and fiberous and probably too rough on the empty tummy. I dont even eat 6 almonds on an empty tummy. My only trouble with nuts now is not falling into the jar LOL LAureen >A few weeks ago I started the South Beach Diet. Part of the diet was raw almonds. For three days (not in a row) I ate 15 raw almonds a day. For three days in the evening about 4 hours after eating them I had tremendous pain in my abdomen through to my back. The only thing that my diet added (although I have taken plenty away) was the nuts. The pain lasted into the night and went away sometime after I feel asleep. >I have eaten nuts before but not these and never had any trouble, that I can remember. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Am I just a nut? lol I found out last year that I have diverticulosis, and one of the foods I was told to avoid was nuts. I love nuts and do still eat them here and there but it's always painful, sometimes quite a bit. It's also.. um..hard to put this politely...quite evident by the next day that I have not digested them. =) May I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it. ~Clint Eastwood~ :: I found out last year that I have diverticulosis, and one of the :: foods [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: um..hard to put this politely...quite evident by the next day that I :: have not digested them. Have you tried chewing more thoroughly? Also, have you made an effort to increase your fiber and fluid intake? I've not had any problems since finding out I have diverticulosis in January 2002. And I've had several jugs of almonds since that time. >:: I found out last year that I have diverticulosis, and one of the >:: foods [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I've not had any problems since finding out I have diverticulosis in January >2002. And I've had several jugs of almonds since that time. I take fiber tablets 4 times a day and drink tons of water. I don't have trouble with pain at all now except with the nuts. Post diagnosis but before going LC I had dried cherries and they didn't appear to have been digested so it's quite possible that I don't chew well enough =) I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it. ~Clint Eastwood~ |
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