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notme too - 19 Jan 2004 04:51 GMT
How do I figure net carbs.as example, cold cereal label list this.
           total carbs           23 g
           dietary fiber          3 g
           soluble fiber         1 g
           insoluble fiber      2 g
           sugars                 1 g
           other carbs        18 g

what do I need to look for , both for weight and blood glucose?
jpatti - 19 Jan 2004 14:12 GMT
> How do I figure net carbs.as example, cold cereal label list this.
>             total carbs           23 g
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>
> what do I need to look for , both for weight and blood glucose?

Total carbs minus total fiber.  So this example 23-3 = 20

The soluble vs. insoluble fiber is just a break-down of the total
(dietary as they labelled it) fiber.
WhansaMi - 19 Jan 2004 14:41 GMT
I was at the store the other day, looking at some "low carb" sweets.  I can't
remember the numbers exactly, but they went something like this:

Total carbs:  16 g.
Fiber: 3 g.
Sugar 3 g.
Sugar alcohol 13 (something) 0

So, I say to my husband, well, these are still 13 carbs.  The woman behind me
says, "No, it is zero.  Look" and she points to the zero after the sugar
alcohol and says something about how it is the sugar alcohol that matters.

Now, it didn't make sense to me, and I didn't buy any of the product, but does
anyone know what she is talking about, or is she just totally confused?

Sheila
DigitalVinyl - 19 Jan 2004 17:04 GMT
>I was at the store the other day, looking at some "low carb" sweets.  I can't
>remember the numbers exactly, but they went something like this:
>
>Total carbs:  16 g.
>Fiber: 3 g.
>Sugar 3 g.
 was this 3g or 0g? If it netted to Zero then there would have to be
ZERO sugars to start with.
>Sugar alcohol 13 (something) 0

Sugar alcohol is a carb so Fiber+sugar+sugar alcohol should = total
carbs

>So, I say to my husband, well, these are still 13 carbs.  The woman behind me
>says, "No, it is zero.  Look" and she points to the zero after the sugar
>alcohol and says something about how it is the sugar alcohol that matters.

Most, MOST!, people don't react to sugar alcohol like they would sugar
(no insulin response), so it is considered say to eat. SImilar to how
Fiber doesn't break down into glucose in the body but passing through.
For that reason your total fiber count is subtracted from Carbs as
well.

However it is something you need to consciously test. Some people find
they don't drop weight with asparatame(NutriSweet) diet colas, but do
with sucralose(SPlenda) diet colas. It all depends upon your bodies
reaction. Does it spark cravings, overeating? If you have some
everyday for a week does your weight loss stop? If you do add
something like this, remember to do it in a conscious way so you can
track whether it affects your diet.

>Now, it didn't make sense to me, and I didn't buy any of the product, but does
>anyone know what she is talking about, or is she just totally confused?
>
>Sheila

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
jpatti - 20 Jan 2004 01:24 GMT
> >I was at the store the other day, looking at some "low carb" sweets.  I can't
> >remember the numbers exactly, but they went something like this:
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> Sugar alcohol is a carb so Fiber+sugar+sugar alcohol should = total
> carbs

You're forgetting starch, which is never broken out.  Any carbs
leftover after you subtract sugar, fiber and sugar alcohols are
starch.
JC Der Koenig - 20 Jan 2004 01:25 GMT
Starch?

Are you kidding?

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JC

Eat less, exercise more.

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> >
> > >I was at the store the other day, looking at some "low carb" sweets.  I can't
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> leftover after you subtract sugar, fiber and sugar alcohols are
> starch.
Ignoramus18897 - 20 Jan 2004 02:49 GMT
> I was at the store the other day, looking at some "low carb" sweets.  I can't
> remember the numbers exactly, but they went something like this:
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> product, but does anyone know what she is talking about, or is she
> just totally confused?

she is not confused, she is trying to deceive you. whatever that store
is, try not visiting it.

> Sheila
Ignoramus18897 - 20 Jan 2004 02:48 GMT
> How do I figure net carbs.as example, cold cereal label list this.
>             total carbs           23 g
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> what do I need to look for , both for weight and blood glucose?

this is a 20 carbs food. 23 g gross carbs - 3 grams fiber. forget the
glucose gibberish put forth by junk food promoters.

Also, whatever that stuff is, it ain't food. don't eat it. if you
already bought it, throw it away.

i
223/175/180
DigitalVinyl - 20 Jan 2004 14:53 GMT
>> How do I figure net carbs.as example, cold cereal label list this.
>>             total carbs           23 g
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>this is a 20 carbs food. 23 g gross carbs - 3 grams fiber. forget the
>glucose gibberish put forth by junk food promoters.
You would be referring to Atkins' own company, since he has a line of
food that are marketted on this concept.

>Also, whatever that stuff is, it ain't food. don't eat it. if you
>already bought it, throw it away.
>
>i
>223/175/180

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
Ignoramus1390 - 20 Jan 2004 15:32 GMT
>>> How do I figure net carbs.as example, cold cereal label list this.
>>>             total carbs           23 g
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> You would be referring to Atkins' own company, since he has a line of
> food that are marketted on this concept.

how disgusting that he is doing that.

Atkins would be much more credible, as far as I am concerned, if he
did not become greedy and get into junk food manufacturing.

He now has a conflict of interest, as his profit interest interferes
with best interest of low carb dieters.

It is a shame, really. He could be pretty rich from his books, and
have a great reputation. He is making a little more money from all his
junk food, but his reputation amongst informed people is gone. He is
just a junk food peddler now.

i

>>Also, whatever that stuff is, it ain't food. don't eat it. if you
>>already bought it, throw it away.
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>
> DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
FOB - 20 Jan 2004 23:18 GMT
"He" isn't doing anything, he is dead.

In news:bujhlg$2b6$7@pita.alt.net,
Ignoramus1390 <ignoramus1390@NOSPAM.1390.invalid> stated
| how disgusting that he is doing that.
|
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| junk food, but his reputation amongst informed people is gone. He is
| just a junk food peddler now.
Peter Kim - 20 Jan 2004 21:01 GMT
Im confused too. Atkins' book makes no mention of sugar alcohols. Only
Total Carb minus fiber...But a lot of the newer Atkins products (and
other low carb products as well) take out sugar alcohol...So who to
believe? Does Sugar alcohol pass through without affecting your blood
sugar like fiber? Low carb candy bars and Jello are my only
salvation!!

> >> How do I figure net carbs.as example, cold cereal label list this.
> >>             total carbs           23 g
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>
> DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
Ignoramus1390 - 20 Jan 2004 21:04 GMT
> Im confused too. Atkins' book makes no mention of sugar alcohols. Only
> Total Carb minus fiber...But a lot of the newer Atkins products (and
> other low carb products as well) take out sugar alcohol...So who to
> believe?

surely you should not believe junk food peddlers.

> Does Sugar alcohol pass through without affecting your blood
> sugar like fiber? Low carb candy bars and Jello are my only
> salvation!!

even if it "does not affect blood sugar", which is quite dubious, it
is still a carb with calories.

Some people report that some sweeteners cause rise in blood sugar
under some circumstances, some report the opposite. At any rate, no
one claims that carbs with calories in them pass through undigested.

How is junk food your only salvation? Salvation from what?

i

>> >> How do I figure net carbs.as example, cold cereal label list this.
>> >>             total carbs           23 g
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>>
>> DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
DigitalVinyl - 21 Jan 2004 03:00 GMT
>Im confused too. Atkins' book makes no mention of sugar alcohols. Only
>Total Carb minus fiber...But a lot of the newer Atkins products (and
>other low carb products as well) take out sugar alcohol...So who to
>believe? Does Sugar alcohol pass through without affecting your blood
>sugar like fiber? Low carb candy bars and Jello are my only
>salvation!!

Here is the definition from the Atkins site.

Sugar alcohols: Also known as Polyols, sugar alcohols are sugar
molecules with hydroxy, or alcohol, groups attached. Sugar alcohols
have many of the characteristics of Carbohydrates such as bulking and
sweetening, but provide fewer Calories, and do not impact blood
glucose as Sugar does.

http://atkins.com/Archive/2002/10/9-819097.html

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
placidbull - 21 Jan 2004 03:51 GMT
It contributes only 2.1 Calories per gram as compared to sucrose's 4
calories per gram; nor does it raise blood glucose as sucrose does.

Placid

> >Im confused too. Atkins' book makes no mention of sugar alcohols. Only
> >Total Carb minus fiber...But a lot of the newer Atkins products (and
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>
> DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
 
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