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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Atkins and Quorn
I have just started the Atkins diet (first day!), I am vegetarian but I eat eggs and cheese. I have read various messages on here and I'm not sure if I can eat Quorn sausages instead of meat ones. If so, can I eat them liberally (like meat ones) or do I have to count carbs? If I do count carbs, do I need to loose some of my cheese, salad or vegetables allowances? If I am on induction, do I have to stick rigidly to the fee foods/cheese/salad/vegetables thing, or can i add in something that is low carb? I am very nervous that I am eating too many eggs since they are the only free food I eat. Also, does anyone know anywhere in the UK where I can buy Atkins food? Thank you! Maggie > I have just started the Atkins diet (first day!), I am vegetarian but I eat > eggs and cheese. I have read various messages on here and I'm not sure if I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > carb? I am very nervous that I am eating too many eggs since they are the > only free food I eat. The government gives you eggs for free in the UK? >Subject: Atkins and Quorn >From: "Maggie Fox" m@microsoft.com [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >can eat Quorn sausages instead of meat ones. If so, can I eat them >liberally (like meat ones) or do I have to count carbs? You have to count carbs. You always have to count carbs. Even with the meat ones. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/237/140 & hubby- 310/264.5/180 > I have just started the Atkins diet (first day!), I am vegetarian but I eat > eggs and cheese. I have read various messages on here and I'm not sure if I > can eat Quorn sausages instead of meat ones. If so, can I eat them > liberally (like meat ones) or do I have to count carbs? I don't know what Quorn sausages are, but if they come in a package they should have the amount of carbs listed on them. (At least, they would if you bought them in the US.) You would have to find out the carb content from the manufacturer, and count it. FYI, many meat sausages have carbs, so you would not be eating them liberally if you ate them at all. > If I do count > carbs, do I need to loose some of my cheese, salad or vegetables allowances? From what I understand of Atkins induction, you are limited to 4 oz. of cheese per day, and should get most of your 20g of carbs from salad greens and vegetables. Whatever carbs those Quorn things have can be added to the cheese and veggies, but you have to stop when you get to 20g carbs total for the day. However, if the Quorns have bread or nuts as an ingredient, you should not eat them on induction. > If I am on induction, do I have to stick rigidly to the fee > foods/cheese/salad/vegetables thing, or can i add in something that is low > carb? I am very nervous that I am eating too many eggs since they are the > only free food I eat. Is "fee" a typo -- do you mean "free"? Do you mean that these foods are "free" from carbs? Because, they're not. Eggs have .6 carbs per each, so you do have to be careful that you don't eat too many.  Signature************************************ Linda Harms New York, NY Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5 >I don't know what Quorn sausages are, but if they come in a package they Quorn is a...fungus. They tried to market it here as "mushroom" but it's mold (or mould if you're in the UK I guess), plain and simple. Mold processed and formed into alien entity shapes. Now why anyone would eat that when there is enough real vegetation to choose from, I just don't know. It pains me to think about it, so I don't. I saw it in the freezer case at Stop & Shop right beside Linda McCartney's oversalted tasteless frozen entrees. Diabolical, is all I can say. Kalish > >I don't know what Quorn sausages are, but if they come in a package they > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > oversalted tasteless frozen entrees. Diabolical, is all I can say. > Kalish Good grief. Thanks for the info. I won't touch 'em if they appear in my local grocery store. Signature************************************ Linda Harms New York, NY Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5 >Quorn is a...fungus. They tried to market it here as "mushroom" True, it is. But: mushrooms are also fungus. Truffles are fungus. People eat them all the time. >but it's mold (or mould if you're in the UK I guess), plain and simple. Are you sure it's mold? I think that all molds are fungus, but I'm not sure that all fungi are mold. But even if it is -- people eat that all the time too. There have been quite a few threads lately on bleu cheese, but no one has called it a "diabolical" food just because it's mold. From the Quorn web page <http://www.quorn.com/us/about/mycoprot.htm>: "The discovery of a plant occurring naturally in soil, and growing in a field near the village of Marlow in Buckinghamshire, England gave nutritionists the opportunity to develop a new food. The tiny organism, which is a member of the fungi family, is used as the principal raw material in Quorn food products. "Quorn is the brand name under which products made from mycoprotein are sold. "This tiny organism could not initially be grown in large quantities, so several years were spent finding ways of growing it to a larger scale. After research it was found that the most successful way of growing mycoprotein was by fermentation, similar to the process used when making products such as yogurt. When it is harvested, mycoprotein has a similar appearance to bread dough and is composed of a mass of very fine fibers. Because of the similarity between mycoprotein and meat fibers, Quorn products have a texture similar to that of lean meat, although non-animal in nature." ======== I wouldn't get any more grossed out from eating Quorn than I would from eating yeast or yogurt or tofu, or drinking beer. Just because something is made in a vat doesn't automatically make it "diabolical". Em >Are you sure it's mold? Yeah...MOLD. It seems to me the very description you posted confirms that - it's NOT mushroom. >From the Quorn web page <http://www.quorn.com/us/about/mycoprot.htm>: Well, that's like asking the used-car dealer if the used car you're buying from him is reliable and in good working order...but anyway... >nutritionists the opportunity to develop a new food. The tiny organism, >which is a member of the fungi family, is used as the principal raw Tiny organism member of the fungi family = MOLD. I read a whole debunking article about this, how they originally tried to imply it was made from nice lovely white mushrooms...ha! >products such as yogurt. When it is harvested, mycoprotein has a similar >appearance to bread dough and is composed of a mass of very fine fibers. HAIRY MOLD! They're telling you right there! >I wouldn't get any more grossed out from eating Quorn than I would from >eating yeast or yogurt or tofu, or drinking beer. Just because something >is made in a vat doesn't automatically make it "diabolical". Go right ahead...but why? Mold on cheese adds flavor, or has some other function for the other products you mention. I never said it grossed me out - I eat blue cheese. But I'm not going to eat mold shaped into sausages unless there's a good reason. Again, go right ahead if you want...it's still diabolical to me. It's in the freezer case next to Linda's entrees. I would be interested to hear your findings when you do. Kalish >>Are you sure it's mold? > >Yeah...MOLD. It seems to me the very description you posted confirms >that - it's NOT mushroom. No, I wasn't saying Quorn is mushroom. I was saying this: (1) Quorn is fungus. (2) Being fungus does not automatically make it bad or inedible, since: (2a) Mushroom is also fungus, and mushrooms are quite edible. (3) Quorn may also be mold, I don't know. I haven't seen it labeled as mold anywhere. (4) But even if it is mold, being mold does not automatically make it bad or inedible, since: (4a) The blue part of blue cheese is also mold, and blue cheese is quite edible. >>From the Quorn web page <http://www.quorn.com/us/about/mycoprot.htm>: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Tiny organism member of the fungi family = MOLD. While it's true that all mold is in the fungi family, I don't think it's the case that all "tiny" members of the fungi family are mold. >I read a whole >debunking article about this, how they originally tried to imply it >was made from nice lovely white mushrooms...ha! It's possible to find articles debunking just about anything. Was this debunking article by the ridiculous Center for "Science" in the Public Interest, by any chance? I file them in the same category as the Physicians Committe for Responsible Medicine. Believe them if you want to. >>products such as yogurt. When it is harvested, mycoprotein has a similar >>appearance to bread dough and is composed of a mass of very fine fibers. > >HAIRY MOLD! They're telling you right there! They never say mold :-) There are plenty of mushrooms (fungi!) that have "very fine fibers" too. That doesn't make them revolting. (And it doesn't make them mold.) >>I wouldn't get any more grossed out from eating Quorn than I would from >>eating yeast or yogurt or tofu, or drinking beer. Just because something [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >case next to Linda's entrees. I would be interested to hear your >findings when you do. Kalish Oh, I eat it all the time. The main reason that I do is that my husband is a vegetarian. and it's easier for us to find stuff that we both will eat rather than always cooking separate meals. He won't eat meat, and I don't like the taste of a lot of the soyburger type things, but Quorn is a good compromise -- it doesn't taste nasty like some of the soy stuff does. Em >-- it doesn't taste nasty like some of the soy stuff does. I'm sure it must taste better than I am imagining it does. http://home.insight.rr.com/gjpjr/pages/quorn.htm >I have just started the Atkins diet (first day!), I am vegetarian but I eat >eggs and cheese. I have read various messages on here and I'm not sure if I >can eat Quorn sausages instead of meat ones. If so, can I eat them >liberally (like meat ones) or do I have to count carbs? You can eat them, but you have to count the carbs. I haven't seen the Quorn sausages in the US, but I've seen several other formulations, and the carb counts tend to vary pretty widely. The lowest is the "Grounds" (I think it's called "Mince" in the UK) at 1 net g per serving. The chicken-like "Tenders" ("Pieces" in the UK) are significantly higher -- 5 net grams per serving. The breaded varieties are obviously out of the question. I don't know where the sausages fit in -- check the labels. >If I do count >carbs, do I need to loose some of my cheese, salad or vegetables allowances? >If I am on induction, do I have to stick rigidly to the fee >foods/cheese/salad/vegetables thing, or can i add in something that is low >carb? My husband (a vegetarian) never stuck to the two-cups-of-vegetables rule, and he still managed to lose a lot of weight. He basically ate as many vegetables as he wanted, as long as they were low carb. And he ate a lot of Quorn, and tofu. >I am very nervous that I am eating too many eggs since they are the >only free food I eat. They aren't "free"; they have about 0.6 g carbs each. Em > I have just started the Atkins diet (first day!), I am vegetarian but I eat > eggs and cheese. I have read various messages on here and I'm not sure if I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Maggie Might be the Quorn per 100g: Energy 1520KJ/367Kcal, Protein 10.6g Carbohydrate 9.5g, Fat 32.1g, Fibre 0.5g, Sodium 0.8g http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/detail/328740.html Maggie, I'm afraid Quorn does have carbs!! I don't know what you exclude from your vegitarian diet. (I have various "types of veggie friends.) If you eat fish/seafood, then you have an option there. If not, it becomes more difficult. I have one friend who tried Atkins and is complete meat/fish free, I'll ask him for tips. Regarding where you can buy Atkins. There are a couple of sites. But you can also check Boots, they are about to sell it. Also, checking out the UK version of the Atkins site, they are about to open a store selling directly to the public. I'm not sure how good the products are. I've read many opinions in this NG. May have to test a few and see. Hope this helps! JD Thanks JD for your help. I've been so confused on how to calculate net carbs. Do I simply subtract the fibre content from the total carbs? If so, that would mean that 100g of Quorn sausages are 0.8 net carbs (4.5 - 3.7). This seems too good to be true to me! I'm just so nervous of eating so many eggs. Maggie > Maggie, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > JD >Thanks JD for your help. I've been so confused on how to calculate net >carbs. Do I simply subtract the fibre content from the total carbs? If so, >that would mean that 100g of Quorn sausages are 0.8 net carbs (4.5 - 3.7). >This seems too good to be true to me! I'm just so nervous of eating so many >eggs. Personally, I think I'd be a lot more nervous of eating vat-grown mold than I would of eating any number of eggs. But that's just me. This Quorn stuff makes Atkins frankenfood look positively enticing. |
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