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Matt Scott - 20 Jan 2004 04:08 GMT
Hi all,

Have a question that is sort of OT (sort of not as well).

I made up a bowl of boiled eggs that I mashed up with a fork and added some
butter, mayonaise and chives.  I then stirred and put in the fridge
overnight.  I then went and calculated how many caloried this concoction
was.  It was extremely high.  Over 1000 calories for 100 grams of the stuff!
(But damn it tastes good!).

Question?  Will something high in calories  (like this stuff) fulfill me the
same as something that is high in size but much lower in calories (say like
a big bowl of veggies)?  Just wondering...

It seems a bit funny really - I ate 100 grams (of the egg mix) for breakfast
and 100 grams (of the egg mix) for lunch and here I am at 5pm starving
away...  gonna eat something a bit lower in calories but am interested by
this topic... thats all :-)

Cheers
Matt.
FOB - 20 Jan 2004 04:23 GMT
How could you get 1000 calories for 100 grams, that is more than any of the
components, butter has 717 calories/100 grams, mayo about the same and eggs
210?

In news:400ca9eb$1@clear.net.nz,
Matt Scott <scottmj@blah.clear.net.nz> stated
| Hi all,
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| Cheers
| Matt.
JC Der Koenig - 20 Jan 2004 04:36 GMT
He's a mathemagician?

Signature

JC

Eat less, exercise more.

--

> How could you get 1000 calories for 100 grams, that is more than any of the
> components, butter has 717 calories/100 grams, mayo about the same and eggs
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> | Cheers
> | Matt.
Lemon Sky - 20 Jan 2004 05:00 GMT
I'm pretty sure calories don't matter. Since I started Atkins, all I eat is
bacon, eggs, butter and cheese. And lots of them!  I've lost 15 pounds and I
feel great (except my chest hurts sometimes).

> He's a mathemagician?
>
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> > | Cheers
> > | Matt.
Kevin Gowen - 20 Jan 2004 04:53 GMT
> I'm pretty sure calories don't matter. Since I started Atkins, all I eat is
> bacon, eggs, butter and cheese. And lots of them!  I've lost 15 pounds and I
> feel great (except my chest hurts sometimes).

That's because of the damage all that fatty food is doing to your heart.

Also, stop top-posting you goofy bastard/bitch. (I cannot tell if you
are male or female from your name)

Ta ta,
K
Stretch - 20 Jan 2004 09:48 GMT
FOAD, troll <plonk>

> I'm pretty sure calories don't matter. Since I started Atkins, all I
> eat is bacon, eggs, butter and cheese. And lots of them!  I've lost
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>>>> Cheers
>>>> Matt.
Kevin Gowen - 20 Jan 2004 15:39 GMT
> FOAD, troll <plonk>

Haven't you already plonked me? Maybe there is something wrong with your
newsreader. That might also explain your top posting.

Ta ta,
K
PJx - 20 Jan 2004 14:07 GMT
Hey lemonsky.  

The amount of calories I eat doesn't matter for me either.   I still
lose weight on a very high calorie diet.   BUT, there are many others
that swear that it does and they make of research findings that it
will damage the heart.   Just ignore them, for they know not what they
do.

PJ

>I'm pretty sure calories don't matter. Since I started Atkins, all I eat is
>bacon, eggs, butter and cheese. And lots of them!  I've lost 15 pounds and I
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>> > | Cheers
>> > | Matt.
Jenny - 20 Jan 2004 14:07 GMT
FOB,

Long term, you'll do a whole lot better snacking on fiber-filled lower
calories low carb foods rather than extremely high calorie low carb foods.

Why?

1. Fiber filled low carb foods (like veggies, sunflower seeds, bran
crackers, etc) will help keep your digestive system from plugging up. The
longer you are on this diet, the more you will appreciate this.

2. Fiber filled foods have all kinds of other nutrients which your body
needs.

3. Calories do count. If you weigh a lot, you might not notice this at
first, but as your weight loss continues and you get closer to your goal,
most people stall out unless they watch their calories.

4. You'll do a whole lot better on maintenance if you've learned to eat less
caloric foods rather than high caloric foods for snacking.

--
Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c
5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

> Hi all,
>
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> Cheers
> Matt.
Roger Zoul - 20 Jan 2004 17:47 GMT
:: FOB,

I don't think you meant to address this to FOB.  FOB made a valid point in
response to the OP (I didn't check the numbers but the point seems valid).

:: Long term, you'll do a whole lot better snacking on fiber-filled
:: lower calories low carb foods rather than extremely high calorie low
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::: Cheers
::: Matt.
FOB - 20 Jan 2004 21:56 GMT
Where in this thread did I say I snacked on anything?  My post simply
pointed out the strange results the OP got in attempting to calculate the
calorie content of his egg, butter, mayo mixture.  Maybe you meant your
reply to be to his post??

In news:400d3700$0$15603$61fed72c@news.rcn.com,
Jenny <lottadatacarbs@hotmail.com> stated
| FOB,
|
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| Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
| Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
Jenny - 21 Jan 2004 14:17 GMT
FOB I must have confused you with the Original Poster. Sorry!

-- Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

> Where in this thread did I say I snacked on anything?  My post simply
> pointed out the strange results the OP got in attempting to calculate the
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> | Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
> | Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
DigitalVinyl - 20 Jan 2004 14:36 GMT
Atkins repeatedly says that calories are not as important as the
balance of carbs, fat, protein. I know people talk about reducing
calories here, but Atkins book doesn't mention watching calories at
all, just carbs. And he was staunchly against the traditional calories
in-calorie out=weight loss mentality. The important thing is to not be
hungry. If you are hungry then you should be eating. If you are
walking around hungry then you are on a more traditional
starve-yourself-a-little diet and you will lose lean muscle mass
instead of just adipose(fatty) tissue. You should eat till full not
stuffed and when hungry snack.

Oddly enough I've lost weight after my 3000 calorie days yet gained a
little after 2000 calorie days. COnfusing? That's because we are
focusing on calories, which Atkins didn't do.  On those 3000 calorie
days my fat-to-carb was betweeen 10 and 18. (10x more fat grams than
carbs). On my 2000 day my ratio was 8, and I gained. Atkins says the
higher the ratio the more ketosis will be induced. And that is the
goal of Atkins, not to reduce your caloric intake, but to induce
ketosis and not the loss of lean tissue. The fats & protein in the
diet will satiate hunger and will naturally control your appetite and
eliminate carb cravings. This will allow you to have a normal appetite
instead of an over-revved carb-addict one.

>Hi all,
>
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>Cheers
>Matt.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
Ignoramus1390 - 20 Jan 2004 15:27 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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> same as something that is high in size but much lower in calories (say like
> a big bowl of veggies)?  Just wondering...

it depends... I easily could eat a pound of stuff like that in one sitting.

I would say, fill yourself up with vegetables first, and then eat your
tasty concoction.

> It seems a bit funny really - I ate 100 grams (of the egg mix) for breakfast
> and 100 grams (of the egg mix) for lunch and here I am at 5pm starving
> away...  gonna eat something a bit lower in calories but am interested by
> this topic... thats all :-)

Calories are important.

i
223/174/180
Matt Scott - 20 Jan 2004 20:12 GMT
> > Hi all,
> >
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> i
> 223/174/180

Cheers for the replies all,

I think I've figured out that I should just take it in moderation.  I've
been happily maintaining for several years now and never really gave this
topic much thought.

On a side note.  I've gone with a very high calorie diet over the last 2-3
years while low-carbing and maintained a rather suitable weight.  Over the
last 2.5 weeks I have reduced my caloric intake to 10-12 calories per pound
of weight (while continuing low-carbing) and have noticed a dramatic loss in
weight. Quite interesting methinks...  The investigations continue :-)

Cheers
Matt
 
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