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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Sodium
I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes comes up. I have been told, by a doctor, that most (I think he said around 75%) of us are not affected adversely by sodium. My ex-wife salted bacon (yes, she really did) and on the same day have her BP checked and it was normal. Made me mad, because I was watching my sodium intake because mine was high, and I was taking 4 different medications, which didn't work. I went on the Atkins program and got a divorce and my BP normallized. I am not sure which should get credit, maybe both, but when I started Adkins, I counted nothing but carbs. Five years and 150 lbs. later, I have the health of a teenager. Last reading was 117/80, and NO medication. I wish I would have found this WOE in my 20's. Has anyone got any links to studies that conclude that sodium is bad for us, or are we just blindly following the "wisdom" of our doctors. BTW, I quit taking my BP meds on my own, but I would not recommend this to anyone. I did it for $$ reasons. I figured that I was paying $100 a month for meds, and that was making my BP go up. It just worked out that I don't need them now. Some meds you must ween yourself off of. Could be dangerous to just drop them all together. Here's my understanding about sodium. Sodium will help the body retain water. That means there's a larger volume of blood circulating in the same blood vessel system. If you reduce the blood volume through less sodium, you'll decrease the pressure on the veins. > I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes comes > up. I have been told, by a doctor, that most (I think he said around 75%) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04 > Here's my understanding about sodium. Sodium will help the body retain > water. That means there's a larger volume of blood circulating in the same > blood vessel system. If you reduce the blood volume through less sodium, > you'll decrease the pressure on the veins. But this is simplistic. Your blood vessels aren't like water pipes which have a fixed diameter. They can expand/contract. What happens when you restrict salt is that the blood volume will descrease, but at the same time the amount of a hormone called renin in your blood will increase. This will cause your blood vessels to contract and counteract any lowering of blood pressure. > > I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes > comes [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04 Congratulations on your success! I don't have any links to sodium info at the moment, but I've read countless stories about the evils of sodium.The general thinking seems to be that even if a person isn't immediately prone to problems with taking in too much salt, it will eventually catch up with them. I know when I really watch the sodium and carbs and forget calories the pounds really come off. By the way, what do you think of Atkins' advice to get off BP meds (with doctor's approval, goes the disclaimer, although I doubt most doctors would ok this) and start taking Taurine, Co-Q10, hawthorn, etc.? Did you use these is bringing down your BP? Thanks for the interesting post. Gary > Congratulations on your success! I don't have any links to sodium info at the > moment, but I've read countless stories about the evils of sodium. About as accurate as the thousands of stories about how Atkins will give you a heart attack. >The general > thinking seems to be that even if a person isn't immediately prone to problems > with taking in too much salt, it will eventually catch up with them. And the general thinking is that saturated fats will kill you. How accurate is that? > I know > when I really watch the sodium and carbs and forget calories the pounds really [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > these is bringing down your BP? Thanks for the interesting post. > Gary I take CoQ-10 and Hawthorn Berry Supplements. Started taking them shortly after I quit the meds. I also take a good handfull of other suppliments too. > Congratulations on your success! I don't have any links to sodium info at the > moment, but I've read countless stories about the evils of sodium.The general [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > these is bringing down your BP? Thanks for the interesting post. > Gary > I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes comes > up. I have been told, by a doctor, that most (I think he said around 75%) > of us are not affected adversely by sodium. It's salt, not sodium. If you were eating sodium you would be dead. Ta ta, K Table salt is sodium chloride.. >> I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes >> comes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ta ta, > K > Table salt is sodium chloride.. Yes, it is. Why do people persist in stating this fact as if it matters? Ta ta, K > > It's salt, not sodium. If you were eating sodium you would be dead. > Table salt is sodium chloride.. Right. Sodium Chloride is not Sodium, just as Water is not Hydrogen. Sodium is toxic, and will explode upon contact with water. You're made of about 60% water. Don't eat sodium. It's not salt. It's sodium chloride. Salt is a chemically generic term that describes a certain class of molecules. I.e., NaCl, KCl, CaCl2 and so on, there are about a million of 'em. And BTW it is the Sodium ion that'll get ya. If you're gonna pick nits. -- AmyB LC since 12/01/03 238/225/165 > > I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes comes > > up. I have been told, by a doctor, that most (I think he said around 75%) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Ta ta, > K > It's not salt. It's sodium chloride. Right, and the practice of refering to sodium chloride as "sodium" is called "metyonymy." Wikipedia defines metonymy as "[m]etonymy, a term of rhetoric and cognitive linguistics, is the use of a single characteristic to identify a more complex entity" Although, actually, of course it is also salt. It's ok if you're not familiar with such figurative uses of language, but it's good to know at least that they exist. > Salt is a chemically generic term that describes a certain class of > molecules. I.e., NaCl, KCl, CaCl2 and so on, there are about a million of > 'em. One of which, sodium chloride, is commonly known as "table salt" or just plain salt. If another salt is meant, it should be identified unless it is clear from the context which one is meant. > And BTW it is the Sodium ion that'll get ya. If you're gonna pick nits. No matter what you're doing, really. Martha "pendent" Gallagher > > > I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes > comes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ta ta, > > K  SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. >> It's not salt. It's sodium chloride. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Martha "pendent" Gallagher Hi Martha! I really don't know what you just said, but it seems like you told everyone to stop being such a smartypants and showing how much they know. If that's what you said, you go girl! I want everyone to get along and stop trying to show off! Hugs! Kisha >>> > I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes >> comes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> Ta ta, >>> K Ok, listen carefully. People watch the sodium in their diet. They do not watch the chloride. Some doctors preach that there is a link to sodium (in salt) and high BP. We all know that if you eat sodium, it will kill you, duh. > > I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes comes > > up. I have been told, by a doctor, that most (I think he said around 75%) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Ta ta, > K > Ok, listen carefully. I cannot listen to what you write. I can only read it. > People watch the sodium in their diet. No, they watch the salt. > They do not > watch the chloride. I think you mean "chlorine". > Some doctors preach that there is a link to sodium (in > salt) and high BP. We all know that if you eat sodium, it will kill you, > duh. Apparently, you do not. This last statement of yours flies in the face of the verbal fart about watching sodium. Stop top-posting, monkey. Ta ta, K f.ck you looser, I will top post if I damn well please. Get a life and drop this whinny sh.t about sodium. All the 'normal' ppl here have no trouble understanding the difference, so why are you picking pepper out of gnat sh.t? > > Ok, listen carefully. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Ta ta, > K > f.ck you looser, What shall I loose first? > I will top post if I damn well please. Yeah! You tell him! > Get a life and drop > this whinny sh.t about sodium. All the 'normal' ppl here have no trouble > understanding the difference, so why are you picking pepper out of gnat > sh.t? I have never met a normal person, but I am sure one exists somewhere. Ta ta, K > I have read some of the other post and the subject of Sodium sometimes comes > up. I have been told, by a doctor, that most (I think he said around 75%) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Has anyone got any links to studies that conclude that sodium is bad for us, > or are we just blindly following the "wisdom" of our doctors. There's really not much good evidence that sodium raised blood pressure in most people: http://www.junkscience.com/jan01/saltwars.htm |
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