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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004A ? regarding calories burned
Hi everyone, I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to fitday.com I am buring over 3000 calories per day just by living - and more on days that I excercise. My calorie intake is waaaay below this. But my weightloss has slowed right down. I havent changed anything in my diet, and since Christmas I have been sticking really closely to my plan, but Im not having near the success I had before Christmas. Im not excercising as regularly as I was (now only 2-3 times per week instead of every day), but according to fitday that has had little impact on my ingoing vs outgoing calories per day. My pride will hate me for saying this, but Im starting to get a little discouraged. Im painfully close to reaching my 10kg mini goal, and I have been for 2 weeks, but those damn scales just wont budge! Prior to that I was at a slightly higher weight for over 2 weeks. I understand that weightloss is not a steady decline, but Im finding it hard to stay motivated to excercise and be positive at the moment. I should add that Im not on Atkins or any of the more popular diets - Im working in conjunction with a dietitian who has (dramatically) reduced my carb intake and set up a fairly flexible eating plan for me. Seeing the success everyone around this place has been having Im beginning to think I should consider moving to a more rigid plan. Thanks for listening, and have a great day!  SignatureCaity H kgs: 114.7/105/70 lbs: 252.8/231/154.3 height: 5'8", 173cms Began 16th October 2003 > Hi everyone, > success everyone around this place has been having Im beginning to think I > should consider moving to a more rigid plan. > Thanks for listening, and have a great day! Please post a sample daily menu. SignatureJim Marnott 231/194/194 (Hit goal on 22 Nov '03 -- exactly 6 months later) Atkins since 22 May '03 Gym since 1 sept '03 > > Hi everyone, > > success everyone around this place has been having Im beginning to think I > > should consider moving to a more rigid plan. > > Thanks for listening, and have a great day! > > Please post a sample daily menu. Hi Jim, OK, this will scare some of the "under-20-carbers" out there but here is a sample of what I eat daily. Breakfast: 1 slice Low GI Burgen rye bread, carbs 8g 0.5 tblsp fat reduced peanut butter, carbs 3g 1 cup diet yoghurt (artificially sweetened), 11 carbs Snack: 5 large strawberries, 6 carbs (or other small piece of fruit) Lunch: 70g tin of salmon, 1 carb 1 cup mixed salad (tomatoes, lettuce, cucumber) 3 carbs Snack: small high fibre muffin, 15 carbs (I get these from my dietician, they are whole wheat and artificially sweetened - really yummy) Dinner: home made chicken fajita (tortilla, chicken breast, fajita seasoning, cheese & salad) approx 25 carbs. Other meals include chicken vegetable curry and 1/2 cup low GI rice, tandoori chicken breast salad, x2 slices homemade pizza on thin pita base, stirfry etc Sometimes I have diet yoghurt for dessert, or occassionaly 2 scoops of low fat ice cream. I drink 2 litres of water per day and a few glasses of diet soft drink. Occasionally I drink some artificially sweetened cranberry juice . Usually I am under 100g of carbs per day. My calorie intake is really quite low, but thats the plan thats been working for me until recently. Thanks for your input. SignatureCaity H kgs: 114.7/105/70 lbs: 252.8/231/154.3 height: 5'8", 173cms Began 16th October 2003 It is really hard to judge, as I am LC newbie, but this menu, compared to my, simply seems to lack the fat :) > Breakfast: 1 slice Low GI Burgen rye bread, carbs 8g > 0.5 tblsp fat reduced peanut butter, carbs 3g > 1 cup diet yoghurt (artificially sweetened), 11 carbs I would consider replacing 'diet' youghurt for regular one (4% fat), but perhaps half a cup only (about 150ml, I do not know whether you are using US cup here). My general thumb of rule is "stay away from diet food". > Snack: 5 large strawberries, 6 carbs (or other small piece of fruit) > Lunch: 70g tin of salmon, 1 carb [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > tandoori chicken breast salad, x2 slices homemade pizza on thin pita base, > stirfry etc Other than that, carb intake seems really low, not everybody here is on induction levels and common wisdom of ASDLC seems to be that it is useless and perhaps a little bit harmuful to stay on induction levels for too long. Anyway, I would also consider possibility that you are eating too little - maybe you are in starvation mode. What is your caloric intake? I guess that if you would get under about 1500 kcal, this could be a concern. Mirek > It is really hard to judge, as I am LC newbie, but this menu, compared > to my, simply seems to lack the fat :) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > using US cup here). My general thumb of rule is "stay away from diet > food". there is new low carb yogurt on the market, from Dannon (and Hood I heard), 3g per serving. very tasty. i looked at the yogurt my wifes east, Breyers, 46g of carbs! thats more than i eat in a day! Art lc 6/2/03 280/233/235 14% bf > there is new low carb yogurt on the market, from Dannon (and Hood > I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 280/233/235 > 14% bf Actually, your wife's yogurt probably has less than 10 carbs. There are a lot of sites that tell you why there's such a discrepency between what's on the label and what the true count is. Here's one of 'em: http://tinyurl.com/2t4yk Amy > > there is new low carb yogurt on the market, from Dannon (and Hood > > I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Amy Quote from above link: "The "difference" method means manufacturers measure all components of a food and anything left is counted as carbs." <-------- is that for real???? If so, how can we trust anything we read? Is this a method used only in the US, or is it international? http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html Signatureread and post daily, it works! rosie It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach. ..............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ > > > there is new low carb yogurt on the market, from Dannon (and Hood > > > I [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > is that for real???? If so, how can we trust anything we read? Is this a > method used only in the US, or is it international? >> http://tinyurl.com/2t4yk > Quote from above link: "The "difference" method means manufacturers > measure all components of a food and anything left is counted as carbs." > <-------- is that for real???? If so, how can we trust anything we read? > Is this a method used only in the US, or is it international? What would you suggest as an alternative? The cost of sufficiently detailed analysis to both identify and measure the quantities of every chemical in a foodstuff would be stunningly prohibitive, and not particularly more accurate. Other than fats and proteins, what combustibles would you expect to find in stuff you'd be willing to eat? Martin SignatureMartin Golding | Grits: Betcha can't eat just one! DoD #236 BMWMOA #55952 SMTC #2 | (Georgia legislature, HB993) > Other than fats and proteins, what combustibles would you expect to > find in stuff you'd be willing to eat? Don't forget alcohol ;-) > > It is really hard to judge, as I am LC newbie, but this menu, compared > > to my, simply seems to lack the fat :) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > heard), 3g per serving. very tasty. i looked at the yogurt my wifes > east, Breyers, 46g of carbs! thats more than i eat in a day! I cant wait till more low-carb products come on the market in Australia. The yogurt I listed above is the lowest carb content of any I have found so far (Nestle Diet - 11 carbs per tub) Its also got a "Low GI" rating sticker, which is alway a bonus. > Art lc 6/2/03 > 280/233/235 > 14% bf > It is really hard to judge, as I am LC newbie, but this menu, compared > to my, simply seems to lack the fat :) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > using US cup here). My general thumb of rule is "stay away from diet > food". Hi Mirek, I agree, but the problem is finding a higher fat yogurt without added sugar. I'll have to keep an eye out. BTW, Im in Australia, and a cup is 250mls. > > Snack: 5 large strawberries, 6 carbs (or other small piece of > fruit) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I guess that if you would get under about 1500 kcal, this could be a > concern. You may have something there. Im regularly well below 1500 calories. Ive had to put some faith in my dietician, but the last thing I want is to starve myself. > Mirek > > I would consider replacing 'diet' youghurt for regular one (4% fat), but > > perhaps half a cup only (about 150ml, I do not know whether you are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > added sugar. I'll have to keep an eye out. BTW, Im in Australia, and a cup > is 250mls. Thats true. I get my in Tesco (Czech republic) and in all 50 brands, there is only one plain regular. But it is worth searching... Mirek > Hi Jim, > OK, this will scare some of the "under-20-carbers" out there but here is a [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > for me until recently. > Thanks for your input. Wow. Thats a lot of Carbs. You might be over your CCL and have stalled yourself. You eat more carbs during breakfast than I eat all day and I excercise for 1/2 hour every day. If I were you I would cut the slice of bread, the muffin, and the tortilla(or rice, pita, etc) and see if you get back to losing. 70+ carbs is a fairly high number for someone looking to keep losing weight. That seems like an amount that someone on mantenance would be eating. Add in those extra 'sometimes' carbs and the one's that you don't know you're eating and I would be willing to be you get over 100. 2 liters of water doesn't seem like enough either. Try drinking a gallon (3.8 liters). > > Hi Jim, > > OK, this will scare some of the "under-20-carbers" out there but here is a [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > would be eating. Add in those extra 'sometimes' carbs and the one's that > you don't know you're eating and I would be willing to be you get over 100. Hi doughboy, Thanks for the feedback. It may seem like a lot of carbs, but it has been working for me until now. What Im interested in is finding a WOE that I can stick to for the rest of my life, and unlike some people (who I must say I admire greatly), I dont want to cut things like bread and rice out of my diet completely, just limit them. That said, if things dont improve, I will have to look at other options, including decreasing my carbs! > 2 liters of water doesn't seem like enough either. Try drinking a gallon > (3.8 liters). 2 litres of water is plenty for me. When I excercise I drink more. Im not going to force myself to drink more than my body wants. Its actually a struggle to get to the 2 litre mark without feeling a bit bloated (you know - that "slushy" feeling?) I really appreciate your suggestions though DB, thanks! hi!! I have a simple question, I am really new on this way of eating, I really find it very easy to do, but my question is the following...people on Atkins loose weight because of the metabolic advantage of being in lipolisis most of the time while cutting down on carbs or is it because of diminish appetite?? or just both?? if I eat 5000 cal of mostly fat will I still loose weight? or do I need to do it 1500 cal but low in carbs?? thanks so much!!! maria > > Hi Jim, > > OK, this will scare some of the "under-20-carbers" out there but here is a [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > 2 liters of water doesn't seem like enough either. Try drinking a gallon > (3.8 liters). > Hi everyone, > I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to fitday.com > I am buring over 3000 calories per day just by living - and more on days > that I excercise. how does fitday know your resting metabolic rate? -kelly > > Hi everyone, > > I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -kelly I know its probably not very accurate, but you can generate reports which calculate your calories burned vs calories eaten, which takes into account calories burned for "each component of your metabolism" - basal, lifestyle and excercise. Im not clear at all on how this works, but it tells me that Im burning over 3000 calories per day. Perhaps someone who's more knowledgable about this can explain further. Caity > I know its probably not very accurate, but you can generate reports which > calculate your calories burned vs calories eaten, which takes into account [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > knowledgable about this can explain further. > Caity interesting. you can raise your basal metabolic rate in a number of ways. one is eating smaller meals more frequently. another is building more muscle (people with more muscle mass burn more calories, even at rest). doing more exercise always helps (your body burns calories at an increased rate for hours after you stop). and make sure you're getting all the vitamins and minerals you need (especially B complex and vitamin C). -kelly > > > Hi everyone, > > > I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > knowledgable about this can explain further. > Caity That's probably the problem. Most people who've used it find fitday's estimated calorie expenditures *way* high. Unless you're in the cast of Riverdance, I really doubt you're burning anything like 3000 calories a day. Martha SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. > > I know its probably not very accurate, but you can generate reports which > > calculate your calories burned vs calories eaten, which takes into account [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Riverdance, I really doubt you're burning anything like 3000 calories a > day. big ol' word to what Martha said. try this calculator for BMR instead: http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/CalRequire.html and try this one for activities: http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/Calories.html > > > I know its probably not very accurate, but you can generate reports which > > > calculate your calories burned vs calories eaten, which takes into account [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/Calories.html Thanks for those links - just what I needed! > > > > I know its probably not very accurate, but you can generate reports > > > > which calculate your calories burned vs calories eaten, which takes [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Thanks for those links - just what I needed! mucho gusto :) > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > estimated calorie expenditures *way* high. Unless you're in the cast of > Riverdance, God forbid! lol! OK, that makes sense - it did seem incredibly high. > Martha > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Martha hi! I just have a quick question, I am pretty new on this woe and I find it very easy to do, I have been on induction for three weeks so far and I have just lost 3lb. I just want to know if people doing atkins lose weight because of the metabolic advantage of being in lipolisis most of the time during induction or just because the ketones bodies deminish the apetite?? If I eat 5000cal. diet will I still lose weight becuase of the metabolic advantage?? thanks so much!!! >> > > > Hi everyone, >> > > > I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >metabolic advantage?? >thanks so much!!! Well to start with, you cook a lot of the fat calories out of meat dishes on Atkins. If you are quite overweight and eating a large volume of food some of the fat which is calorie dense passes through undigested. I think these two effects are what started the "eat all the fat you want on Atkibs" myth. I noticed as I aproached my goal weight and reduced my volume of food, fat calories from non cooked fats like butter salad oil cheese etc. added up the same as non fat calories. Maybe this is because everything including the fats has longer to digest more efficiently once the volume of food decreases? > I am pretty new on this woe and I find it very easy to do, I have been on > induction for three weeks so far and I have just lost 3lb. I just want to > know if people doing atkins lose weight because of the metabolic advantage > of being in lipolisis most of the time during induction or just because > the ketones bodies deminish the apetite?? Probably not. Best evidence (for reasonable definitions of evidence) appears to me to be that a) diets higher in fat and/or protein percentages improve appetite control and that b) diets higher in fat and/or protein are _somewhat_ less effective at adding or retaining body weight. On average, overall, YMMV; people whose appetites are NOT better controlled by fats and/or proteins, who must maintain calories below a feeling of fullness to lose or control weight, may well find it easier to control total intake on the recently popular high fiber, low fat diet. Disclaimer: while both of those claims are well supported, it is only my opinion that those facts are fundamental to the reported effectiveness of the Atkins diet (including my own). > If I eat 5000cal. diet will I > still lose weight becuase of the metabolic advantage?? No, with absolute certainty, according to the same evidence. I don't believe anybody has experimental numbers for the ratio of high fat diet to equivalent in effect high calorie diets. Estimating unpublished numbers for the studies I've looked at, I'd guess it (wildly leaping to only barely defensible conclusion) at no more than 1.15, eg, 2300 versus 2000 calories, and I wouldn't be surprised at any number greater than 10%. Given the size of the number, I'm not sure that it matters much. It's well within other error ranges (individual metabolic variations, food analysis errors, consumption measuring errors, energy expenditure errors), and switching between high fat and high carb would require complete meal redesign. It seems to me that it would only be useful if you knew exactly on how many calories you were currently maintaining your weight, and wanted to change calculated calorie ratios without changing exercise levels (say, switching from a currently working low fat to an equivalent low carbohydrate diet). Eat more green vegetables! (easier if they're fried in bacon fat), Martin SignatureMartin Golding | Studies indicate that undernutrition increases lifespan. DoD #236 | Eat good, die young. Leave a big corpse. > > > I know its probably not very accurate, but you can generate reports which > > > calculate your calories burned vs calories eaten, which takes into account [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I am pretty new on this woe and I find it very easy to do, I have been > on induction for three weeks so far and I have just lost 3lb. Not great, but could be worse. Depending on circumstances you might need to readjust your diet or it might just be that you haven't dropped water weight. > I just want to know if people doing atkins lose weight because of the > metabolic advantage of being in lipolisis most of the time during > induction or just because the ketones bodies deminish the apetite?? If there's a metabolic advantage, it's not huge. I think the advantage of this diet is more about appetite suppression and getting rid of the blood sugar swings. I've never seen any studies that found long term that low carbers were losing significantly more than people eating the same number of calories but following other plans. > If I eat 5000cal. diet will I still lose weight becuase of the > metabolic advantage?? Are you Lance Armstrong? If not, you'll probably find yourself gaining at an impressive rate if you consume 5000 cal/day for any length of time. Even Dr. Atkins acknowledged that calories are still a factor. > thanks so much!!! Good luck, Martha SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. Patience is a virtue. Two weeks is not a stall. In news:400f2185@yorrell.saard.net, CaityH <caityh@tpgNOSPAM.com.au> stated | Hi everyone, | I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] | height: 5'8", 173cms | Began 16th October 2003 > Patience is a virtue. Two weeks is not a stall. Hi FOB, I know Im being impatient, but its actually been a month since Ive lost more than 1/2 a kg. Im not going to give up, but Im just feeling frustrated. Thanks for your advice, I appreciate it! > In news:400f2185@yorrell.saard.net, > CaityH <caityh@tpgNOSPAM.com.au> stated [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > | height: 5'8", 173cms > | Began 16th October 2003 > Hi everyone, > I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to fitday.com [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > is not a steady decline, but Im finding it hard to stay motivated to > excercise and be positive at the moment. When I was in weight loss mode I found that if I had this sort of two week stall, I was still loosing inches. My scale measures bf% as well and I would see a decline in bf% even as my weight loss stalled. That helped me to see that something was still going on and helped with my motivation -- otherwise I found myself going over everything that I had eaten over the past few days. If you feel that you are on track with your plan, then I think that may be what is happening to you. Hang in there! Signaturejmk in NC > > Hi everyone, > > I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to fitday.com [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > your plan, then I think that may be what is happening to you. Hang in > there! Thanks jmk, thats a great suggestion. Ive never measured myself with a tape measure, so I might give that a try. BF scales may be a good investment too - I might look into it. > Hi everyone, > I have a question regarding the burning of calories. According to fitday.com > I am buring over 3000 calories per day just by living - and more on days > that I excercise. My calorie intake is waaaay below this. But my weightloss > has slowed right down. I havent changed anything in my diet, and since Fitday is notorious for way overestimating calories burned, unless you pick sedentary. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." Hi Caity, You and I share similar physical stats. Including my regular daily activity, my metabolic rate (I had it tested last year) is 2015. I can lose weight on around 2200 calories and 75 carbs per day, but I weight train rather intensely and do HIIT (high intensity interval training) as well. I haven't lost any weight in four months because I stopped low-carbing during that time. Now that I'm back to LC'ing, I've dropped five pounds of water in just as many days. If I were you, I would increase fat intake, begin weight training, and drop my carbs to 50 grams per day. And, if you switch to LC bread products, the transition shouldn't be very painful. Ravengal 5'7" 268/226/180 'since 4/27/03 |
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