Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004
"Net Carbs" Freak Me Out
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Duffy - 22 Jan 2004 16:49 GMT The phrase "net carbs" is everywhere. Food manufacturers and restaurant chains can't wait to jump on the low carb bandwagon and undo one another with low, lower, lowest net carb counts of their products.
The way I see it, there's a few problems here. First, we have no way of knowing if the counts are accurate. Is Subway's Atkin's wrap count as low as Subway says it is? What about Blimpie's brownie? Blimpie use "effective carbs" and tells folks the sweet dessert tallies "0".
IMHO, all of these new-fangled inventions are great for some folks, but they are ultimately going to lead most folks down a path of false hopes. Remember low-fat Snackwells? Did anyone lose weight eating those?
Sooner or later, most successful low carbers find that they must change their eating habits or the weight comes right back. Low carb Doritos (which don't look all that low carb to me) don't teach that lesson.
We've also seen from endless rounds of debates in ASDLC that the sugar alcohols used in some of the sweeter products react differently in different people's bodies. So the brownie that may metabolize as 0 net or effective carbs for you might actually digest as the full 20plus for me. Yikes. What's a person to do?
For me at least, the answer is pretty simple. I'm amused by the rush to market by the various hawkers selling their low carb products, but I don't believe for one moment they have my best interests at heart. As always, I'll pick and choose what I eat. And I'll take those "net carbs" claims with a dose of skepticism.
I hope newbies will too.
Duffy 182/122 since 12-01-01
lbudney@pobox.com - 22 Jan 2004 16:53 GMT > The way I see it, there's a few problems here. First, we have no way > of knowing if the counts are accurate. Is Subway's Atkin's wrap > count as low as Subway says it is? What about Blimpie's brownie? > Blimpie use "effective carbs" and tells folks the sweet dessert > tallies "0". Yup, that's the problem in a nutshell. "Net carbs" is a nice idea, and probably has some validity--but on the other hand, there is no agreement yet how to measure "net carbs", and manufacturers can basically say whatever they want.
--Len.
PS Meanwhile, if I really want a low-carb snack, I clap my hands and believe the "net carbs" figure.
Jim Marnott - 22 Jan 2004 23:27 GMT > Yup, that's the problem in a nutshell. "Net carbs" is a nice idea, and > probably has some validity--but on the other hand, there is no > agreement yet how to measure "net carbs", and manufacturers can > basically say whatever they want. They still list the total carbs and the fibre, don't they? Whatever it says on the front of the package ... whatever the "net carbs" or "effective carbs" listed. You can still do the math on your own and find out the truth, can't you?
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Ignoramus31635 - 22 Jan 2004 16:58 GMT > The phrase "net carbs" is everywhere. Food manufacturers and > restaurant chains can't wait to jump on the low carb bandwagon and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > 182/122 > since 12-01-01 I agree. To me, it's simple: if it is junk food, I do not buy it, regardless of if it is low fat, orlow carb, or zero net carbs after you subtract sugar alcohols, etc.
I can see you are maintaining well Duffy.
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Luna - 22 Jan 2004 17:28 GMT > > The phrase "net carbs" is everywhere. Food manufacturers and > > restaurant chains can't wait to jump on the low carb bandwagon and [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > i My philosophy is a bit different: if it's junk food, I want the good stuff, full-carb, full-fat, but only every once in a while, and even then only a taste. I don't need a whole bowl of Baskin and Robbins jamocha almond fudge ice cream, one bite of someone else's is plenty, and doesn't seem to hurt anything.
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Ignoramus31635 - 22 Jan 2004 17:59 GMT >> > The phrase "net carbs" is everywhere. Food manufacturers and >> > restaurant chains can't wait to jump on the low carb bandwagon and [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > fudge ice cream, one bite of someone else's is plenty, and doesn't seem to > hurt anything. That's not so bad.
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Luna - 22 Jan 2004 20:42 GMT > >> I agree. To me, it's simple: if it is junk food, I do not buy it, > >> regardless of if it is low fat, orlow carb, or zero net carbs after [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > i It works for me. I'm still losing, still feel great, and I never feel deprived. High-carb treats have not been banished from my diet, their role is just severely restricted. I look at things like ice cream, candy, chips, etc as special rare treats now, not things I have to have every day. Like a spa pedicure.
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Ignoramus31635 - 22 Jan 2004 20:56 GMT > It works for me. I'm still losing, still feel great, and I never feel > deprived. High-carb treats have not been banished from my diet, their role > is just severely restricted. I look at things like ice cream, candy, > chips, etc as special rare treats now, not things I have to have every day. > Like a spa pedicure. I look at them as I look at sawdust or wall plaster other non-food. Makes it easier to stay away from them in the long run, I think.
Anyway, if, say, you are eating only one junk food bar per month, you are not ruining your health (although obviously you are not doing yourself a favor either). So arguing about whether to eat that bar or not is a bit pointless.
You found something that keeps you eating healthy for now. How long will it last for you (or me) is an open question. What makes healthy way of eating last qoule be an interesting subject to explore.
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BrightStar - 22 Jan 2004 18:22 GMT > My philosophy is a bit different: if it's junk food, I want the good stuff, > full-carb, full-fat, but only every once in a while, and even then only a > taste. I don't need a whole bowl of Baskin and Robbins jamocha almond > fudge ice cream, one bite of someone else's is plenty, and doesn't seem to > hurt anything. mmmm jamocha almond fudge <sigh> No one in my house eats it, so unless it's bought specifically for me, I won't get a bite a someone elses'. Ergo, I don't have any. Which is probably a good thing. I used to eat half a Haagen Das pint of Triple Brownie Overload in one sitting.
AmyB - 22 Jan 2004 22:46 GMT > > My philosophy is a bit different: if it's junk food, I want the good > stuff, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I don't have any. Which is probably a good thing. I used to eat half a > Haagen Das pint of Triple Brownie Overload in one sitting. Gone forever: my all time, favorite, in the whole wide-world ice cream . . . . Starbuck's Coffee Almond Fudge. When I was pregnant and for some time after, not unusual for me to go through maybe 3 qts/wk. OMG, No wonder I'm so f-in' fat. eh? -- AmyB LC since 12/01/03 238/225/165
TavliGal - 24 Jan 2004 09:34 GMT > > My philosophy is a bit different: if it's junk food, I want the good > stuff, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't have any. Which is probably a good thing. I used to eat half a > Haagen Das pint of Triple Brownie Overload in one sitting. Half a pint? Hell, I can eat a whole pint of coffee flavoured Haagen Daz in one sitting. NO PROBLEM. BUT NO MORE! :o) I'm through with that. I want to move again.
Cheri - 22 Jan 2004 21:40 GMT Actually, I did, in conjunction with counting them as part of my daily calorie intake, but I definitely agree that the "false hope" path is looming large with all the low carb high calorie stuff they're coming out with. I do have to watch calories closely as well as carbs, but not so long ago I ate a whole pint of Atkins Ice Cream just because it was LC, so I'm not going to be buying those things for awhile. Others might do fine with it, but I'm not one of them. :-) -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.
Duffy wrote in message <299dae61.0401220849.38bc8011@posting.google.com>...
>IMHO, all of these new-fangled inventions are great for some folks, >but they are ultimately going to lead most folks down a path of false >hopes. Remember low-fat Snackwells? Did anyone lose weight eating >those? Jean B. - 22 Jan 2004 22:34 GMT > Actually, I did, in conjunction with counting them as part of my daily > calorie intake, but I definitely agree that the "false hope" path is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > LC, so I'm not going to be buying those things for awhile. Others might > do fine with it, but I'm not one of them. :-) That's why, as chintzy as they are, the little cups can be a very good idea. Built-in portion control. With the Breyer's, I put some into 1/2-cup containers. Those I ate. (One at a time, and on rare occasions.) The rest is still frozen quite solid, so I actually do have to really want some to go to the trouble of softening it (unless I do it in the microwave as someone suggested).
Before LCing, I used to keep making the top of the ice cream in the container perfectly smooth by eating it. God only knows how much I would consume in the process!
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TavliGal - 24 Jan 2004 09:39 GMT ...snip
> Before LCing, I used to keep making the top of the ice cream in > the container perfectly smooth by eating it. God only knows how > much I would consume in the process!> -- > Jean B. Me too!
LCer09 - 22 Jan 2004 21:53 GMT I apply "net carbs" when it comes to fiber. The rest I try to avoid.
LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/236/140 & hubby- 310/264/180
And I'll take those "net
| carbs" claims with a dose of skepticism. | | I hope newbies will too. Sure you do. Misery loves company.
I've now lost 28 pounds since December 15th and eat Subway's low-carb wraps two or three times a week for lunch. Be skeptical of them. More for me!
:) Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good.
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Mary Boyles - 23 Jan 2004 17:31 GMT I agree with you Peter...lighten up! My attitude is this: should I need a treat or want something for a change, I am thankful there are so many alternatives that I can choose from, now that low carbing seems to be "all the rage." I say "bring it on!" Anything that makes life a bit simpler when I am away from home, adds a bit of variety and keeps me from boredom , I welcome. Of course I am going to be careful as I generally am, but it seems to me that a low carb wrap or some Breyers is still a better choice than anything with pure white sugar or white flour etc. Mary B.
> And I'll take those "net > | carbs" claims with a dose of skepticism. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good. Ignoramus14193 - 23 Jan 2004 17:36 GMT > I agree with you Peter...lighten up! My attitude is this: should I need a > treat or want something for a change, I am thankful there are so many [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to me that a low carb wrap or some Breyers is still a better choice than > anything with pure white sugar or white flour etc. How many junk food items did you eat last week.
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