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"Net Carbs" Freak Me Out

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Duffy - 22 Jan 2004 16:49 GMT
The phrase "net carbs" is everywhere. Food manufacturers and
restaurant chains can't wait to jump on the low carb bandwagon and
undo one another with low, lower, lowest net carb counts of their
products.

The way I see it, there's a few problems here. First, we have no way
of knowing if the counts are accurate. Is Subway's Atkin's wrap count
as low as Subway says it is? What about Blimpie's brownie? Blimpie use
"effective carbs" and tells folks the sweet dessert tallies "0".

IMHO, all of these new-fangled inventions are great for some folks,
but they are ultimately going to lead most folks down a path of false
hopes. Remember low-fat Snackwells? Did anyone lose weight eating
those?

Sooner or later, most successful low carbers find that they must
change their eating habits or the weight comes right back. Low carb
Doritos (which don't look all that low carb to me) don't teach that
lesson.

We've also seen from endless rounds of debates in ASDLC that the sugar
alcohols used in some of the sweeter products react differently in
different people's bodies. So the brownie that may metabolize as 0 net
or effective carbs for you might actually digest as the full 20plus
for me. Yikes. What's a person to do?

For me at least, the answer is pretty simple. I'm amused by the rush
to market by the various hawkers selling their low carb products, but
I don't believe for one moment they have my best interests at heart.
As always, I'll pick and choose what I eat. And I'll take those "net
carbs" claims with a dose of skepticism.

I hope newbies will too.

Duffy
182/122
since 12-01-01
lbudney@pobox.com - 22 Jan 2004 16:53 GMT
> The way I see it, there's a few problems here. First, we have no way
> of knowing if the counts are accurate. Is Subway's Atkin's wrap
> count as low as Subway says it is? What about Blimpie's brownie?
> Blimpie use "effective carbs" and tells folks the sweet dessert
> tallies "0".

Yup, that's the problem in a nutshell. "Net carbs" is a nice idea, and
probably has some validity--but on the other hand, there is no
agreement yet how to measure "net carbs", and manufacturers can
basically say whatever they want.

--Len.

PS Meanwhile, if I really want a low-carb snack, I clap my hands and
believe the "net carbs" figure.
Jim Marnott - 22 Jan 2004 23:27 GMT
> Yup, that's the problem in a nutshell. "Net carbs" is a nice idea, and
> probably has some validity--but on the other hand, there is no
> agreement yet how to measure "net carbs", and manufacturers can
> basically say whatever they want.

They still list the total carbs and the fibre, don't they?  Whatever it
says on the front of the package ... whatever the "net carbs" or
"effective carbs" listed.  You can still do the math on your own and
find out the truth, can't you?

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Jim Marnott
231/194/194 (Hit goal on 22 Nov '03 -- exactly 6 months later)
Atkins since 22 May '03
Gym since 1 sept '03

Ignoramus31635 - 22 Jan 2004 16:58 GMT
> The phrase "net carbs" is everywhere. Food manufacturers and
> restaurant chains can't wait to jump on the low carb bandwagon and
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> 182/122
> since 12-01-01

I agree. To me, it's simple: if it is junk food, I do not buy it,
regardless of if it is low fat, orlow carb, or zero net carbs after
you subtract sugar alcohols, etc.

I can see you are maintaining well Duffy.

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Luna - 22 Jan 2004 17:28 GMT
> > The phrase "net carbs" is everywhere. Food manufacturers and
> > restaurant chains can't wait to jump on the low carb bandwagon and
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>
> i

My philosophy is a bit different: if it's junk food, I want the good stuff,
full-carb, full-fat, but only every once in a while,  and even then only a
taste.  I don't need a whole bowl of Baskin and Robbins jamocha almond
fudge ice cream, one bite of someone else's is plenty, and doesn't seem to
hurt anything.

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I have only 3 flaws.  My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Ignoramus31635 - 22 Jan 2004 17:59 GMT
>> > The phrase "net carbs" is everywhere. Food manufacturers and
>> > restaurant chains can't wait to jump on the low carb bandwagon and
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> fudge ice cream, one bite of someone else's is plenty, and doesn't seem to
> hurt anything.

That's not so bad.

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Luna - 22 Jan 2004 20:42 GMT
> >> I agree. To me, it's simple: if it is junk food, I do not buy it,
> >> regardless of if it is low fat, orlow carb, or zero net carbs after
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>
> i

It works for me.  I'm still losing, still feel great, and I never feel
deprived.  High-carb treats have not been banished from my diet, their role
is just severely restricted.  I look at things like ice cream, candy,
chips, etc as special rare treats now, not things I have to have every day.  
Like a spa pedicure.

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I have only 3 flaws.  My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Ignoramus31635 - 22 Jan 2004 20:56 GMT
> It works for me.  I'm still losing, still feel great, and I never feel
> deprived.  High-carb treats have not been banished from my diet, their role
> is just severely restricted.  I look at things like ice cream, candy,
> chips, etc as special rare treats now, not things I have to have every day.  
> Like a spa pedicure.

I look at them as I look at sawdust or wall plaster other
non-food. Makes it easier to stay away from them in the long run, I
think.

Anyway, if, say, you are eating only one junk food bar per month, you
are not ruining your health (although obviously you are not doing
yourself a favor either). So arguing about whether to eat that bar or
not is a bit pointless.

You found something that keeps you eating healthy for now. How long
will it last for you (or me) is an open question. What makes healthy
way of eating last qoule be an interesting subject to explore.

i
223/176/180
BrightStar - 22 Jan 2004 18:22 GMT
> My philosophy is a bit different: if it's junk food, I want the good stuff,
> full-carb, full-fat, but only every once in a while,  and even then only a
> taste.  I don't need a whole bowl of Baskin and Robbins jamocha almond
> fudge ice cream, one bite of someone else's is plenty, and doesn't seem to
> hurt anything.

mmmm jamocha almond fudge <sigh>   No one in my house eats it, so unless
it's bought specifically for me, I won't get a bite a someone elses'.  Ergo,
I don't have any.  Which is probably a good thing.  I used to eat half a
Haagen Das pint of Triple Brownie Overload in one sitting.
AmyB - 22 Jan 2004 22:46 GMT
> > My philosophy is a bit different: if it's junk food, I want the good
> stuff,
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> I don't have any.  Which is probably a good thing.  I used to eat half a
> Haagen Das pint of Triple Brownie Overload in one sitting.

Gone forever:  my all time, favorite, in the whole wide-world ice cream . .
. .  Starbuck's Coffee Almond Fudge.  When I was pregnant and for some time
after, not unusual for me to go through maybe 3 qts/wk.  OMG, No wonder I'm
so f-in' fat. eh?
--
AmyB
LC since 12/01/03
238/225/165
TavliGal - 24 Jan 2004 09:34 GMT
> > My philosophy is a bit different: if it's junk food, I want the good
> stuff,
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> I don't have any.  Which is probably a good thing.  I used to eat half a
> Haagen Das pint of Triple Brownie Overload in one sitting.

Half a pint?  Hell, I can eat a whole pint of coffee flavoured Haagen Daz in
one sitting.  NO PROBLEM.
BUT NO MORE!  :o)  I'm through with that.  I want to move again.
Cheri - 22 Jan 2004 21:40 GMT
Actually, I did, in conjunction with counting them as part of my daily
calorie intake, but I definitely agree that the "false hope" path is
looming large with all the low carb high calorie stuff they're coming
out with. I do have to watch calories closely as well as carbs, but not
so long ago I ate a whole pint of Atkins Ice Cream just because it was
LC, so I'm not going to be buying those things for awhile. Others might
do fine with it, but I'm not one of them. :-)
--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

Duffy wrote in message
<299dae61.0401220849.38bc8011@posting.google.com>...

>IMHO, all of these new-fangled inventions are great for some folks,
>but they are ultimately going to lead most folks down a path of false
>hopes. Remember low-fat Snackwells? Did anyone lose weight eating
>those?
Jean B. - 22 Jan 2004 22:34 GMT
> Actually, I did, in conjunction with counting them as part of my daily
> calorie intake, but I definitely agree that the "false hope" path is
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> LC, so I'm not going to be buying those things for awhile. Others might
> do fine with it, but I'm not one of them. :-)

That's why, as chintzy as they are, the little cups can be a very
good idea.  Built-in portion control.  With the Breyer's, I put
some into 1/2-cup containers.  Those I ate.  (One at a time, and
on rare occasions.)  The rest is still frozen quite solid, so I
actually do have to really want some to go to the trouble of
softening it (unless I do it in the microwave as someone
suggested).  

Before LCing, I used to keep making the top of the ice cream in
the  container perfectly smooth by eating it.  God only knows how
much I would consume in the process!

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TavliGal - 24 Jan 2004 09:39 GMT
...snip
> Before LCing, I used to keep making the top of the ice cream in
> the  container perfectly smooth by eating it.  God only knows how
> much I would consume in the process!> --
> Jean B.

Me too!
LCer09 - 22 Jan 2004 21:53 GMT
I apply "net carbs" when it comes to fiber. The rest I try to avoid.

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 265/236/140
& hubby- 310/264/180
- 23 Jan 2004 05:29 GMT
And I'll take those "net
| carbs" claims with a dose of skepticism.
|
| I hope newbies will too.

Sure you do.  Misery loves company.

I've now lost 28 pounds since December 15th and eat Subway's low-carb wraps
two or three times a week for lunch.  Be skeptical of them.  More for me!
:)

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good.
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Mary Boyles - 23 Jan 2004 17:31 GMT
I agree with you Peter...lighten up! My attitude is this: should I need a
treat or want something for a change, I am thankful there are so many
alternatives that I can choose from, now that low carbing  seems to be "all
the rage." I say "bring it on!" Anything that makes life a bit simpler when
I am away from home, adds a bit of variety and keeps me from boredom , I
welcome. Of course I am going to be careful as I generally am, but it seems
to me that a low carb wrap or some Breyers is still a better choice than
anything with pure white sugar or white flour etc.
Mary B.
> And I'll take those "net
> | carbs" claims with a dose of skepticism.
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>
> Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good.
Ignoramus14193 - 23 Jan 2004 17:36 GMT
> I agree with you Peter...lighten up! My attitude is this: should I need a
> treat or want something for a change, I am thankful there are so many
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> to me that a low carb wrap or some Breyers is still a better choice than
> anything with pure white sugar or white flour etc.

How many junk food items did you eat last week.

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