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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Atkins - BBC Horizon gets it wrong in the last minutes
Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite, and therefore eat less calories than those on a carb diet. However at the end of the programme there was a sudden conclusion that it was the protein that controlled appetite. This conclusion came from a Danish study which showed that those on an Atkins type diet, although using lean meats, controlled appetite and those on carbs did not. Protein does not control appetite. Excess carbohydrate raises blood sugar and excess blood sugar causes loss of control of appetite. The Horizon conclusion is so obviously wrong it is a wonder how it ever came to be made. Through history most people had control of appetite. Then, it did not matter what mix of foods they ate - they burned off excess carbs by physical work all day long. They certainly did not have an excess protein diet. We just need to adapt to less physical work by eating less carb. Then the very powerful hormones which control appetite will take care of our body shape. I published the reasons why on 30 Dec 2003. http://www.innatehealth.com/obesity.htm Best wishes, Warren I agree i thought it started off on the right foot and then bang.... shot itself in the other one. i had to go and eat some Chicken and liver pate, a peice of cheese washed down with a coffee topped up with single cream. Oh and a knifefull of full fat cream cheese.... Sweet dreams on the HORIZON..... >Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme >correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >not. >Protein does not control appetite. This has been a claimed for several years that some research supposedly supports that high protein diets curb appetite. We can't assume that carbs are the only possible causation for appetite. Oversimplification is often a bad thing. Atkins insisted that fat was what satisfies an appetite. As far back as 2000 I read claims of studies proving protein did the trick. Maybe they both satisfy. They say when a dog's stomach is upset he instinctively will eat grass-it supposedly helps. What makes the dog suddenly have an appetite for grass? I think it is reasonable that there are multiple triggers for hunger, and protein, fat and carbs each satisfy different "hungers". >Excess carbohydrate raises blood >sugar and excess blood sugar causes loss of control of appetite. The [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Warren DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) >>Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme >>correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >triggers for hunger, and protein, fat and carbs each satisfy different >"hungers". But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being mentioned! Steven >>>Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme >>>correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>>not. >>>Protein does not control appetite. > But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling > appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being > mentioned! > > Steven Because that would point the finger at CARBS being the baddie! I thought it was a very clever program. They managed to admit Atkins works (they can't really deny it with so much evidence around) but made a fake mystery about WHY. All those white-coated doctors and nutritionists pondering over whether it was the fat OR the protein levels that made the diet work! and muttering over how perplexing it was! LOL! As if they have no idea of the role of insulin in hunger! In fact, they NEVER ONCE mentioned 'diabetes' or 'insulin' or 'blood sugar swings' during the whole program. Thats is quite an achievement in a program that was, overall, positive towards Atkins. What I got from the Horizon program is low-carbers actually eat LESS calories, than other diets. This would be my experience as I find just eating protein unappetising zzapper (vim & cygwin & zsh) -- vim -c ":%s/^/WhfgTNabgureRIvzSUnpxre/|:%s/[R-T]/ /Ig|:normal ggVGg?" http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=305 Best of Vim Tips >> But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling >> appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >swings' during the whole program. Thats is quite an achievement in a >program that was, overall, positive towards Atkins. I guess you're right Flora, I just found it extremely frustrating especially, as you say, it was overall very positive. It even had my SO saying this morning that maybe she should try "this Atkins lark"! Steven >>>Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme >>>correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Steven Again, people enjoy oversimplification. If you find a answer, the assumption is there is only one answer--they stop looking. I do troubleshooting on complex computer systems and when people can't solve a problem it is usually because there is more than one and they are trying to find one thing that causes all the symptoms. Once I start looking for separate ones the solutions come quicker and the symptoms drop away individually. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) >>But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling >>appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >symptoms drop away individually. >DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) You know sometimes I find the exact opposite. I also work in the computer industry and I find, especially on training courses, where people are confronted with a problem they don't understand they always think the answer is far more complex and ignore the obvious answer staring them in the face... Perhaps this also applies to the half-a.s researchers at the BBC... Steven. >>>But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling >>>appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >staring them in the face... >Perhaps this also applies to the half-a.s researchers at the BBC... Steven, I see that too, but I see that more when there is lack of experience, knowledge, effort or diligence. I've seen companies with severe problems affecting their web sites sales and gone into the logs and found that the logs showed daily failure sfor 6 weeks that have been causing the problems. It mystifies me that none of the programmers/maintainers ever bothered to check the failing application's log! Is that incompetence? They're overworked? Or simply not being diligent? I've had inexperience networking staff blame networking problems on other people, services, overloads. They've even ordered $thousands$ in extra bandwidth to "cure" the problem. I check the equipment and the wire connections are showing physical errors. Replace two $1 cables and things instantly improve. When people over-complicate a simple problem I find the real problem is lack of experience, knowledge, effort or diligence. But with an actual complex issues with reasonably fit workers, it is attempts to oversimplify and assume there is one and only one problem. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) > Oversimplification is often a bad thing. Atkins insisted that fat was > what satisfies an appetite. As far back as 2000 I read claims of > studies proving protein did the trick. Maybe they both satisfy. Exactly. The point is that carbs DON'T. At least not without increasing caloric intake to the point where fat starts to accumulate in the body. It's that simple, boys and girls...  SignatureBob Kanyak's Doghouse http://kanyak.com |
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