I have to state I've been lo-carbing for over two years and I've seen
every argument the scientific comunity has come our with against us
but this one, while not completly negative managed to miss the target
by at least a continent.
They ended up focusing on two studies
1. Feed dieters Carbs and fats, surprise they eat more and put on
weight
2. Eat a protein based diet, no carb, lo-ish fat, hi protein, and they
lost weight.
And what was the conclusion, protein has magical appetite-supression
abilities!
Hold the phone, they reduced carbs, maybe that is having an effect.
I'll admit they came out with a positive result but I stongly feel the
wrong one, the sugar-insulin-hunger cycle is the key not eating
chicken and fish the rest of your life!
jcd - 23 Jan 2004 06:05 GMT
I watched most of the program. (fell asleep near the end..) Overall I
thought it was a positive program, though the way the information was
presented felt a bit like a rollercoaster.
I was a little annoyed with the 24 hour test they did in the controlled
enivornment, to determine the affect of low fat vs. low carb on the bodies
calorie requirements. Part of this test was to see if Ketones made a
difference in how much calories were used. The comparison result was
neglible. But I always thought it took more than 24 hours to reach the
state of Ketosis, so I'm not sure this test/result was completely
accurate...
Interesting program - I didn't feel it showed Atkins or any low carbing in a
bad light.
JD
> I have to state I've been lo-carbing for over two years and I've seen
> every argument the scientific comunity has come our with against us
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> wrong one, the sugar-insulin-hunger cycle is the key not eating
> chicken and fish the rest of your life!
Steven Cook - 23 Jan 2004 12:00 GMT
>I watched most of the program. (fell asleep near the end..) Overall I
>thought it was a positive program, though the way the information was
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>
>JD
The program makers screwed up big time, on the BBC website it
explained that the twins were on their respective diets for 2 weeks
before going into isolation. If this was mentioned on the programme
then I missed it too...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3416637.stm
Also, I wonder if any of the researchers actually read the Atkins
book, as (again unless I missed it) no mention of Atkins reason for
the suppression of appetite , i.e. the insulin rollercoaster of normal
high carb diets, was discussed.. Instead, because they couldn't prove
it was fat that did this, they jumped to the conclusion it was
protein!
However, it did manage to blow a few urban myths about Atkins out of
the water, so I guess it did have it's good points, but was sorely let
down in the end...
Steven
kvs - 24 Jan 2004 18:48 GMT
> I have to state I've been lo-carbing for over two years and I've seen
> every argument the scientific comunity has come our with against us
> but this one, while not completly negative managed to miss the target
> by at least a continent.
The scientific level of mainstream media is generally low. Often
times the mere existence of some study is treated as proof of a
theory. The assumptions and methodology of the study are never questioned.
> They ended up focusing on two studies
> 1. Feed dieters Carbs and fats, surprise they eat more and put on
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> wrong one, the sugar-insulin-hunger cycle is the key not eating
> chicken and fish the rest of your life!
The media seems to be going out of its way to ignore or obfuscate the
role of insulin in obesity. They keep on harping about overeating as
if there is no way that obesity is anything other than the sin of gluttony.
The common assumption in the energy balance model view of food intake
and metabolism is that everyone burns and stores chemical energy the
same way. Insulin resistance is a clear contradiction to this simplistic
view. Many people who are insulin resistant end up storing excess
glucose as fat while "normal" people are better able to burn it off in
the various tissues of their bodies and generate heat instead of fat.
Not all obese people have an eating disorder or are trapped in the vicious
insulin mediated hunger cycle you mention.