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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004confusion with advantage bar and net carbs
Hi, I bought a box of Advantage Chocolate Mocha Crunch and I'm now confused. I have cut and paste the nutrition info from the website. How can it be Net carbs of 3 grams, when the Total Carbs is 22grams and the Dietary Fibre is 10 grams. Wouldn't the Net Carbs be 12grams??? I don't get it. Not only that, but the nutrition label on the actual bar itself says Dietary Fibre: 0grams and Total Carbs 22grams. Things that make me go hmmmm. Just don't get it. Can anyone help me out here? Am i missing something?? Thanks in advance. Atkins AdvantageTM Bar - Chocolate Mocha Crunch Serving Size: 1 60 gram bar Total Servings: 1 Net Carbs: 3 grams Qty. Per Product: Amount Per Serving: Calories: 220 Calories from fat: 90 %DV Total Fat 10 g 15% Saturated Fat 6 g 30% Cholesterol 2 mg 0% Sodium 120 mg 5% Potassium 340 mg 10% Total Carbohydrate 22 g 7% Dietary Fiber 10 g 40% Sugars 0 g % Protein 20 g 40% Biotin 25% Calcium 35% Chromium 15% Folic Acid 25% Iron 15% Magnesium 20% Niacin 25% Pantothenic Acid 25% Phosphorus 20% Selenium 25% Vitamin A 25% Vitamin B-1 25% Vitamin B2 25% Vitamin B12 25% Vitamin B6 25% Vitamin C 25% Vitamin D-3 25% Vitamin E 25% Vitamin K 25% Zinc 25% Percent Daily Values (DV) are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Allergy Information: This product is manufactured in a facility that uses peanuts and other nuts and seeds. Ingredients: Ingredients: Protein blend (Soy protein isolate, hydrolyzed collagen, whey protein isolate, calcium/sodium caseinate), glycerine, polydextrose (fiber), cocoa butter, cocoa powder, water, natural coconut oil (non-hydrogenated), soy nuggets (soy protein, rice flour, malt, salt), cellulose, olive oil, natural and artificial flavor, lecithin, decaffeinated coffee, maltodextrin, guar gum, citric acid (flavor enhancer), sucralose (Splenda? brand non-nutritive sweetener). Nutrition Blend: Calcium (tricalcium phosphate and calcium carbonate), magnesium (magnesium oxide), vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D-3, vitamin B-1 (thiamin), vitamin B-2 (riboflavin), vitamin B-6 (pyridoxine), vitamin B-12 (cyanocobalamin), natural vitamin E (acetate), niacin, biotin, pantothenic acid, zinc, folic acid, chromium (chromium chelate), vitamin K, selenium. You are asking a legitimate question. There should be no confusion. These bars belong to the trash basket. Their manufacturers are misleading you with their net carbs calculation. I hope you have a receipt and can return that stuff. Net carbs is at least 12 grams, and possibly even higher. If you eat these bars, don't come here whining about how "atkins does not work for you". It is a shame that a company associated with Atkins is making diet sabotaging, disgusting junk food products. i > Hi, I bought a box of Advantage Chocolate Mocha Crunch and I'm now confused. > I have cut and paste the nutrition info from the website. How can it be Net [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04 The Advantage bars are full of Glycerine which is a carbohydrate and must be labeled as such. The Atkins people like to make people believe that glycerine doesn't raise blood sugar or have an impact on insulin levels so they subtract the glycerine from total carbs. However, glycerine does have a serious impact on lots of peoples' blood sugar. There's a good discussion of glyerine at the Low Carb Retreat: http://www.lowcarb.org/glycerol.htm http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/products.htm is my page discussing the whole net carb phenomenon. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > Hi, I bought a box of Advantage Chocolate Mocha Crunch and I'm now confused. > I have cut and paste the nutrition info from the website. How can it be Net [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04 > The Advantage bars are full of Glycerine which is a carbohydrate and must be > labeled as such. The Atkins people like to make people believe that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > sugar. There's a good discussion of glyerine at the Low Carb Retreat: > http://www.lowcarb.org/glycerol.htm Hi Jenny, your post hadn't downloaded before I wrote my little update. Thanks for your post. I'll definately give glycerol a read. :) > http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/products.htm is my page discussing > the whole net carb phenomenon. > > -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, > hba1c 5.2. > Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! > Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, > strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04 Well, I just phoned Atkins Customer Support about this, and they said that you also deduct the glycerin and sugar alcohols from the Total Carbs, which makes it 2.7 net carbs. She also said that the 0 dietary fibre on my box is most likely a misprint. Hmm. I'm still suspicious. I wonder. I'm with you Ignoramus, I think I'll put them in the trash, or give them away. > Hi, I bought a box of Advantage Chocolate Mocha Crunch and I'm now confused. > I have cut and paste the nutrition info from the website. How can it be Net [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04 > Well, I just phoned Atkins Customer Support about this, and they said that > you also deduct the glycerin and sugar alcohols from the Total Carbs, which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm with you Ignoramus, I think I'll put them in the trash, or give them > away. Can you return them to the store you got them from" Most likely you can, it's worth checking. Maybe they will even take them without the receipt, mayeb you will get store credit there. They are also awfully expensive. You can buy a couple lbs of chicken (on sale) for the price of one bar. i > > Well, I just phoned Atkins Customer Support about this, and they said that > > you also deduct the glycerin and sugar alcohols from the Total Carbs, which [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > i I'm pretty sure I do still have the receipt, but you see I bought a whole box, its been opened and I've eaten 3 bars from the box. I doubt that they will refund the box for me, since it's opened and not fully there. I realize I may be the cynical sort, but I don't have faith in alot of retailers. At most they may refund me for a few bars. I'll give them a call today and see what they can do for me. T. >> > Well, I just phoned Atkins Customer Support about this, and they said > that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > retailers. At most they may refund me for a few bars. I'll give them a > call today and see what they can do for me. Check it out... walmart is pretty good... i > >> > Well, I just phoned Atkins Customer Support about this, and they said > > that [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > i Bought them at GNC T. >> >> > Well, I just phoned Atkins Customer Support about this, and they said >> > that [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Bought them at GNC I hate GNC... Probably you won't have much luck, but it is worth checking. i I ate 3 bars a day when on Atkins - you take off fiber and sugar from alcohol to get the net carbs. 230 to 150 lbs. with Atkins! > Hi, I bought a box of Advantage Chocolate Mocha Crunch and I'm now confused. > I have cut and paste the nutrition info from the website. How can it be Net [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04 > I ate 3 bars a day when on Atkins - you take off fiber and sugar from > alcohol to get the net carbs. > 230 to 150 lbs. with Atkins! You should consider yourself the exception rather than the rule. > You should consider yourself the exception rather than the rule. Well, I guess I'm also an exception. I have eaten many Atkins Bars (although I don't anymore) and they never slowed me down. Sugar alcohols act differently on different people. As I said, they don't affect me, and I'm certain many people can eat them without gaining and without getting the runs.  SignatureJim Marnott 231/194/194 (Hit goal on 22 Nov '03 -- exactly 6 months later) Atkins since 22 May '03 Gym since 1 sept '03 What I dont understand about this entire conversation is the fact that they're still a hell of alot better than scarfing down a bigmac, a giant subway, or a freakin Snickers....I've been lurking here for about 3 weeks, and am beginning to see the definate battlegrounds here of people who adore LC, who loathe LC, and a bunch of us in the middle who think it makes sense to follow some, but perhaps not all, of the LC principals. There's the common sense low-carb approach, and the the Obsessive/Compulsive approach, where every carb is scrutinized and people think the smell of a bakery will send their blood-sugar spiking.....running to the store to return something because a few people think they're "evil/bad/whatever".....come on, lets put on our thinking caps. These bars may not be the highpoint of nutrition, but they're an awful lot better than going off your LC diet completely and scarfing god-knows-what. > > You should consider yourself the exception rather than the rule. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Atkins since 22 May '03 > Gym since 1 sept '03 > What I dont understand about this entire conversation is the fact that > they're still a hell of alot better than [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > they're an awful lot better than going off your LC diet > completely and scarfing god-knows-what. Surely though you understood my confusion about the nutrition label and all that, and granted, I agree with your post completely. For my Induction (day 4), I need to be strict, its all or nothing, otherwise I'd convince myself to be eating things I can't. It's taken a long time for me to get here, that is, to a place where I actually want to lose weight and change my life. I'm a carbo addict, and I'm very sensitive to all that; therefore, a few hours ago I decided I would keep them and eat them only if I feel like "cheating". I figure cheating on those is a hell of alot better than anything else. I'll just make sure not to have one every day, like I have been. Maybe 2-3 times a week or so. We'll see. As for running back to the store, ha, I don't run, I walk with my head held high. I'm no sheep, and in the end I make, and am responsible for all my decisions. Monica Jim Marnott" <info@doatkins.com> wrote in message > news:W1jQb.59762$tI4.1099976@weber.videotron.net... > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Atkins since 22 May '03 > > Gym since 1 sept '03 << <headrusch1@comcast.net> wrote in message news:aujQb.134363$xy6.556968@attbi_s02... > What I dont understand about this entire conversation is the fact that > they're still a hell of alot better than > scarfing down a bigmac, a giant subway, or a freakin Snickers.... >><BR><BR> I agree 100%. I began Atkins in February 2002 and with the exception of the two week induction have eaten an Advantage bar almost every day. I'm so busy in the morning trying to get two kids off to two different schools (feeding them breakfast and making thier lunches, packing backpacks..........) and get myself ready for work that it would be too easy to grab a bagel or poptart if the Atkins bars weren't sitting on my counter. I also have a hard time meeting my daily requirement of fiber as I don't care much for fruit and vegetables. I choose Advantage bars over all the other brands because of the 10 grams of fiber they contain. Brenda 135/106 >What I dont understand about this entire conversation is the fact that >they're still a hell of alot better than [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >loathe LC, and a bunch of us in the middle who think it makes sense to >follow some, but perhaps not all, of the LC principals. Boy, I couldn't agree with you more. I've been lurking around 4 weeks and came to the same conclusion. 'Course it's no different than most newsgroups. The people that post the most are the zealots (either for or against). I've seen questions like "I have a craving for something salty and crunchy, would it be O.K. if I ate a couple low carb chips?". And the answers are "Butch up" or "Well, you must not want to lose that weight or you would just tough it out and follow the diet correctly". The people that post the most are the zealous warriors. They wear their "hairshirts of deprivation" with great pride, and like to paint anyone who wants to make their struggle a little easier as being "unworthy of following Atkins". >There's the common sense low-carb approach, and the the Obsessive/Compulsive >approach, where every [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >they're an awful lot better than going off your LC diet >completely and scarfing god-knows-what. Again, I couldn't agree more. I've been on a LC diet for three weeks, and have lost seven pounds so far.I don't zealously follow Atkins or South Beach, I just try to keep my carbs as close to 25 (for now) as I can. I have a little LC ice cream or a LC candy bar every night, and haven't soiled my pants or driven anyone out of the house yet. Now, I know that people will jump on this and say "you're in the minority", but they've got nothing more than anecdotal evidence from an unscientific sampling to back them up. I have read the diets, and their theories, and am more or less following a LC regimen, but I'm not going O/C over it. I'm losing the weight that I want to lose, so why obsess over following one regimen or another religiously. And why not make the journey as pleasant as possible? It's still going to be a drastic enough change from what you're used to eating. grant >> > You should consider yourself the exception rather than the rule. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Atkins since 22 May '03 >> Gym since 1 sept '03 You'll lose 20 pounds and then quit. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > > >What I dont understand about this entire conversation is the fact that [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > >> Atkins since 22 May '03 > >> Gym since 1 sept '03 > Again, I couldn't agree more. I've been on a LC diet for three weeks, > and have lost seven pounds so far.I don't zealously follow Atkins or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but they've got nothing more than anecdotal evidence from an > unscientific sampling to back them up. I am not a zealot who is completely against low-carb treats. However, there are some things to take into account. 1. For many people, switching to a low-carb WOE is in part about breaking an addiction to sweet and/or carby things. For people who tend to overindulge on sweets, having a period of nothing sweet at all can reprogram their taste buds to not want that stuff as much. 2. A lot of these low-carb products are high in calorie. Having them occasionally as treats should be fine, but when people use them as the mainstay of their diet it can cause problems. 3. Sugar alcohols _do_ cause cravings in some people, and _do_ cause digestive problems in some people. There's no need to be fanatic about it, but when someone comes in complaining about not losing weight, and they list LC bars or LC ice cream as part of what they're eating, then of course it sends up a red flag. You have had no problems eating a _little_ ice cream or candy bar, but not everyone here stops at a little. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > 1. For many people, switching to a low-carb WOE is in part about breaking > an addiction to sweet and/or carby things. For people who tend to > overindulge on sweets, having a period of nothing sweet at all can > reprogram their taste buds to not want that stuff as much. Well, you dont "break" anything in 2 weeks. 6 months maybe, not 2 weeks. I agree with you that a period of cold-turkey can certainly help, however. But again, in my reply above I pointed out that these items should be used the way they were intended: As a meal replacement (primarily) or as a snack, *when you can afford to have one*. If you're popping one of these like dessert every night, that is not a good thing....mainly because, popping ANYTHING into your mouth every night as a dessert is a bad thing. > 2. A lot of these low-carb products are high in calorie. Having them > occasionally as treats should be fine, but when people use them as the > mainstay of their diet it can cause problems. Well, if someone said to me they have one every day for lunch, I wouldn't come down on them. Granted, you're hoping their getting something more nutritious for breakfast and dinner, but for a lot of people eating healthy at lunch is either not an option, or its too cumbersome. > 3. Sugar alcohols _do_ cause cravings in some people, and _do_ cause > digestive problems in some people. Well sure...everyone has a favorite food.....if you can't resist eating LC bars every day your diet will fail just as if you couldn't resist that tube of Pringles, or that heaping pile of mashed potatos. I'm just making a "middle of the road" point that the whole "Take them back theyre crap!" arguement doesn't really fly. Its like a knee-jerk reaction.... So far most of the "adkins" foods I've tried have landed straight int he garbage...the bars aren't the greatest tasting thing int he world, but as a meal replacement when I dont feel like cooking or dont have the time at work, they're handy. > There's no need to be fanatic about it, but when someone comes in > complaining about not losing weight, and they list LC bars or LC ice cream > as part of what they're eating, then of course it sends up a red flag. You > have had no problems eating a _little_ ice cream or candy bar, but not > everyone here stops at a little. Of course....people dont use common sense. There are far too many people out there eating 2 steaks or 3 chicken breasts and wondering why Atkins isn't working for them. HeadRush wrote: << Well sure...everyone has a favorite food.....if you can't resist eating LC bars every day your diet will fail just as if you couldn't resist that tube of Pringles, or that heaping pile of mashed potatos. >><BR><BR> I disagree. Since lowcarbing, I count Chocolate Peanut Butter Advantage bars among my favorite foods and have one just about every day and have for almost two years now. I reached my first goal of 115 within 5 months and without really trying dropped a few more pounds over the next few months. After maintaining 112 for almost a year, I decided to go lower and see where my body would take me. I've been maintaining 106 since October and am quite pleased. I even bought my first pair of size 0 jeans. In no way has my diet failed. I'm a firm supporter of Advantage Bars (and many other LC products for that matter.) Just remember......MODERATION. Brenda 135/106 |
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