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Theo - 25 Jan 2004 01:11 GMT
I take a beta-blocker for blood pressure. Started a no-carb period a few
days ago, and the pounds seem to be peeling away. But I feel queasy,
headachey, exhausted and weak - normal entry symptoms? More concerning, my
pulse rate is up from 70-ish to 90-ish much of the time.

Does this diet affect pulse, beta-blocker metabolism, or any such? I also
drink one cup of black tea a day, occasionally two. Could the effects of
theophylline and caffeine be enhanced?

Thanks-

Theo
Carmen - 25 Jan 2004 01:30 GMT
Hello,

> I take a beta-blocker for blood pressure. Started a no-carb period a
> few days ago, and the pounds seem to be peeling away. But I feel
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> also drink one cup of black tea a day, occasionally two. Could the
> effects of theophylline and caffeine be enhanced?

The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight to
leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood volume
goes and the faster the heart has to beat to maintain blood pressure.

In your case you'd be best off working with your doc's knowledge.  The
meds may need adjustment.

Take care,
Carmen
Theo - 25 Jan 2004 02:01 GMT
> Hello,
>
> The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight to
> leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood volume
> goes and the faster the heart has to beat to maintain blood pressure.

Thanks, Carmen.

I wondered about dehydration, since that's what this feels like. I drink as
much water as I can hold, but it's not quite enough. I'll try a couple more
days, then either add in a few carbs or get medical advice.
Carmen - 26 Jan 2004 13:22 GMT
Hello,

> > The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight
> > to leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> couple more days, then either add in a few carbs or get medical
> advice.

I hope you've either recovered or gotten to the doctor by now.  Please
keep me posted.

Take care,
Carmen
Sun & Mun_ - 25 Jan 2004 22:34 GMT
>The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight to
>leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood volume
>goes and the faster the heart has to beat to maintain blood pressure.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Carmen - 26 Jan 2004 02:55 GMT
> >The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight to
> >leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood volume
> >goes and the faster the heart has to beat to maintain blood pressure.

Why?  Just Carmen's turn to get kicked or something else?

Carmen
Sun & Mun_ - 26 Jan 2004 17:51 GMT
>> >The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight to
>> >leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood volume
>> >goes and the faster the heart has to beat to maintain blood pressure.
>
>Why?  Just Carmen's turn to get kicked or something else?

Just looking for a cardiologist to comment on a cardiac related
question.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Carmen - 26 Jan 2004 22:14 GMT
Hello,

> >> >The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight
> >> >to leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Just looking for a cardiologist to comment on a cardiac related
> question.

Okay then.  Just on pins and needles these days, and snappy as a
result.  Sorry.

The relationship between blood volume, blood pressure and heart rate
is pretty straight forward.  The effect of dehydration on the system
is also pretty straight forward.  The beta blocker the OP was on would
be something I'd like to see a cardiologist comment on though.  I'm
going to put the OP's original text in here for that purpose:
"I take a beta-blocker for blood pressure. Started a no-carb period a
few days ago, and the pounds seem to be peeling away. But I feel
queasy, headachey, exhausted and weak - normal entry symptoms? More
concerning, my pulse rate is up from 70-ish to 90-ish much of the
time. Does this diet affect pulse, beta-blocker metabolism, or any
such? I also drink one cup of black tea a day, occasionally two. Could
the effects of theophylline and caffeine be enhanced?"
There's more than just the diet at work in the equation, so it's
better if Andrew sees it all.
Take care,
Carmen
Sun & Mun_ - 26 Jan 2004 22:23 GMT
>> >Why?  Just Carmen's turn to get kicked or something else?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Okay then.  Just on pins and needles these days, and snappy as a
>result.  Sorry.

I fully understand and did take no offense due to your well deserved
High Anxiety.

>The relationship between blood volume, blood pressure and heart rate
>is pretty straight forward.  The effect of dehydration on the system
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>There's more than just the diet at work in the equation, so it's
>better if Andrew sees it all.

Works for me.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Jan 2004 22:52 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Take care,
> Carmen

Could be the effects of hyperketonemia on vascular reactivity.  Some
people are more sensitive to it than others.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Jan 2004 03:32 GMT
> >The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight to
> >leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood volume
> >goes and the faster the heart has to beat to maintain blood pressure.

Dehydration can result in a higher resting heart rate and lower blood pressure.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Sun & Mun_ - 26 Jan 2004 17:57 GMT
>> >The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight to
>> >leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood volume
>> >goes and the faster the heart has to beat to maintain blood pressure.

>Dehydration can result in a higher resting heart rate and lower blood pressure.

It would then follow that Carmen's statement is not an absolute and
that dehydration  does not cause increased HR and lowered BD
absolutely either.

The, it would follow, that dehydration could result in neither HR or
BP changes.

However, since dehydration is an ABnormal state, we would expect that
there would be physiological changes or adjustments.

Are you then suggesting that the most observable change, in your
experience is that dehydration = lowered BP and faster HR? That BP is
not maintained?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Jan 2004 19:15 GMT
> >> >The diet does tend to cause a significant amount of water weight to
> >> >leave at first.  The more water leaves, the lower total blood volume
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> experience is that dehydration = lowered BP and faster HR? That BP is
> not maintained?

The most sensitive way to detect dehydration is by history (history of not drinking,
vomiting, and/or diarrhea) and physical exam (poor skin turgor, dry lips, and
orthostasis).

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
Sun & Mun_ - 26 Jan 2004 22:16 GMT
>The most sensitive way to detect dehydration is by history (history of not drinking,
>vomiting, and/or diarrhea) and physical exam (poor skin turgor, dry lips, and
>orthostasis).

Can dehydration be diagnosed with a blood sample for water content?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Jan 2004 22:53 GMT
> >The most sensitive way to detect dehydration is by history (history of not drinking,
> >vomiting, and/or diarrhea) and physical exam (poor skin turgor, dry lips, and
> >orthostasis).
>
> Can dehydration be diagnosed with a blood sample for water content?

No.

An elevated blood urea nitrogen (BUN) to creatinine ratio would suggest dehydration.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
Jenny - 25 Jan 2004 13:36 GMT
Theo,

Call your doctor.  Your blood pressure may have dropped very quickly or you
may have an electrolyte imbalance (as is common int the first days of a low
carb diet).  The latter could affect your heart beat.

Beta blockers are powerful drugs. Don't screw around with this one. Get
professional advice now.

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> I take a beta-blocker for blood pressure. Started a no-carb period a few
> days ago, and the pounds seem to be peeling away. But I feel queasy,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Theo
curt - 25 Jan 2004 13:51 GMT
That is how I used to feel when I started in Induction.  My heart rate would
be higher when I worked out for no apparent reason.  It is more in line now
and at rest it is in the low 60's which is kind of cool.

Curt

> I take a beta-blocker for blood pressure. Started a no-carb period a few
> days ago, and the pounds seem to be peeling away. But I feel queasy,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Theo
John - 25 Jan 2004 15:25 GMT
You might consider getting your own blood pressure monitoring device. They
aren't that expensive and can be very useful. I have found that my bp and
heart rate are inversely related.

> I take a beta-blocker for blood pressure. Started a no-carb period a few
> days ago, and the pounds seem to be peeling away. But I feel queasy,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Theo
martymkm@webtv.net - 25 Jan 2004 16:06 GMT
I also drink one cup of black tea a day, occasionally two. Could the
effects of theophylline and caffeine be enhanced?

Hi Theo;
Since being on LC I had to give up all caffeine because of the effects
it had on me. I had a racing heartbeat and PAC's (Premature Arterial
Contractions). It was like taking a hit of speed to me. But that was me,
it may very well be your medication. We are human therefore all unique.
By all means discuss it with your Dr. That's what you pay him for. Your
health is nothing to mess around with.
Best Regards; Marty
 
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