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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Lyle McDonald's CKD vs Atkins diet
I've been doing a McDonald-style cyclical ketogenic diet, and working out for 40 minutes a day. On about the sixth day, I get really weak on the treadmill, so replenishing muscle glycogen on the seventh day restores my available energy. At the beginning of the following week, it only takes me about 24 hours to get back into ketosis. I've been reading about the Atkins' diet. How come he doesn't mention CKD? Which is better, L.McDonald's CKD or the Atkins program, (for folks who work out for 40 minutes a day, that is)? And why? Should I change to the Atkins program where carbs are gradually increased, rather than continuing with CKD and very low carb intake? Thank you Fred Atkins is a mass-marketing program to get money from idiot fat f.cks who don't know any better. Note the success of Atkins fakefoods. The CKD, TKD, and Anabolic Diet were created for a niche market of highly motivated athletes. Pick the one that suits you.  SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > > I've been doing a McDonald-style cyclical ketogenic diet, and working [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Fred > Atkins is a mass-marketing program to get money from idiot fat f.cks who > don't know any better. Note the success of Atkins fakefoods. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pick the one that suits you. I lost 75 lbs on atkins... craming as much food down my throat as I could handle with the help of ZERO exercize (none, nil) setting on the couch watching seinfeld... losing weight. HAHAHAHAHAHA, people like you amuse me mr. keonig. get a real life. So you're still flabby and weak, but smaller. Am I supposed to be impressed? Sitting on the couch, watching Seinfeld is a real life? I believe I'll disregard that suggestion. Thanks anyway. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > > > Atkins is a mass-marketing program to get money from idiot fat f.cks who [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > watching seinfeld... losing weight. HAHAHAHAHAHA, people like you amuse me > mr. keonig. get a real life. > So you're still flabby and weak, but smaller. if smaller = lost weight, then yeah. but far from weak. > Am I supposed to be impressed? I ate more and execsized less and lost weight > Sitting on the couch, watching Seinfeld is a real life? not at all. working out in the gym is a real life? nope. > I believe I'll disregard that suggestion. Thanks anyway. either way your stupid and wrong. > JC > > Eat less, exercise more. yeah right, HAHAHAHAHA. > if smaller = lost weight, then yeah. but far from weak. Yeah, right. Does your mom tell you what a strong little man you are for her? Here's a clue: she lying to you. > I ate more and execsized less and lost weight So now you're flabby like Jared. Good job. > either way your stupid and wrong. March on down to your local community college and sign up for English as a Second Language. > > if smaller = lost weight, then yeah. but far from weak. > > Yeah, right. no really. I could kill you easily, barehanded. How strong do I need to be btw. Maybe I should be able to throw cars around. yeah thats it. > > I ate more and execsized less and lost weight > > > So now you're flabby like Jared. Good job. flabby? didn't you hear, I lost all my weight. nothing left but muscle and bone. svelt comes to mind. like a less cut bruce lee. > > either way your stupid and wrong. > > March on down to your local community college and sign up for English as a > Second Language. still stupid, still wrong. Do you know the meaning of "reality disconnect"? You have the worst case I've seen in a while. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > > > > if smaller = lost weight, then yeah. but far from weak. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > still stupid, still wrong. > flabby? didn't you hear, I lost all my weight. nothing left but muscle and > bone. svelt comes to mind. like a less cut bruce lee. post proof or retract. > > flabby? didn't you hear, I lost all my weight. nothing left but muscle and > > bone. svelt comes to mind. like a less cut bruce lee. > > post proof or retract. Can you compare and contrast your attraction to Iggy vs Bruce? > > > flabby? didn't you hear, I lost all my weight. nothing left but > > > muscle and bone. svelt comes to mind. like a less cut bruce lee. > > > > post proof or retract. > > Can you compare and contrast your attraction to Iggy vs Bruce? i don't care for bruce lee. > > > > flabby? didn't you hear, I lost all my weight. nothing left but > > > > muscle and bone. svelt comes to mind. like a less cut bruce lee. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > i don't care for bruce lee. Interesting. > > > > > flabby? didn't you hear, I lost all my weight. nothing left but > > > > > muscle and bone. svelt comes to mind. like a less cut bruce lee. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Interesting. kung fu movies: never were my thing punk rock: has been my thing for 20+ years there you have it. > > > > > > flabby? didn't you hear, I lost all my weight. nothing left but > > > > > > muscle and bone. svelt comes to mind. like a less cut bruce lee. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > there you have it. Yep. The only punkers I noticed were the Sex Pistols. Because they were funny. > > Atkins is a mass-marketing program to get money from idiot fat f.cks who > > don't know any better. Note the success of Atkins fakefoods. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > watching seinfeld... losing weight. HAHAHAHAHAHA, people like you amuse me > mr. keonig. get a real life. Listen... The OP is in a different situation than you are. If you have ever hit the gym HARD while doing a LC WOE, then you would understand why he is asking what he is asking... Because to run for thirty minutes at 9 mph or to lift with high intensity and do so without carbs is difficult, and people who can do it get credit from me - big time. I can relate to what he is asking, and I can actually sort of agree with jc, because Atkins makes you think you need to purchase their foods to succeed. Not the late Dr. Atkins, but the mega company the Atkins Nutritional center... They are the ones who want to sell you the Atkins advantage products. It makes people think they need to use this crap to lose weight... When in reality it will stall them in most cases. > > > Eat less, exercise more. > I can relate to what he is asking, and I can actually sort of agree with jc, So JC is no longer on your killfile ? :) Recently I spotted some messages from that were very similiar to those of JC that upseted you so much two months ago... What a progress :) Mirek > > > > Eat less, exercise more. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mirek Yes, i have "mellowed out" considerably. I dont agree with the style that JC puts forward, however he has some valid points, regardless of how he presents them. ;-) >>Listen... The OP is in a different situation than you are. >>If you have ever hit the gym HARD while doing a LC WOE, then you would >>understand why he is asking what he is asking... Because to run for thirty >>minutes at 9 mph or to lift with high intensity and do so without carbs is >>difficult, and people who can do it get credit from me - big time. Thanks for the reply. Yes - you got the point. When I (and I guess most people) work out hard after being on a very low carb diet (like 30g of carb a day), soon you become very tired and weak in the gym - due to lack of muscle glycogen, I presume. I'm now looking at either: a) continuing doing a CKD b) switching to a TKD c) doing the Atkins approach of increasing carbs gradually after induction, untill weoght loss stops, then reducing the carbs a bit. d) staying on 'induction' diet and *forcing* myself to work out hard, despite the extreme difficulty and unpleasant symptoms it induces. But I think I won't do (d) because I've tried it in the past and became a real wreck of a person, unable to function effectively in general. That's why I'm particularly interested in (a) and (b) and (c), but am still not clear which one is best for me - a person primarily trying to burn fat, doing 40 mins of cardio+weights each day. Any helpful comments appreciated. Fred :: On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:06:23 GMT, "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" :: <real_doktersteve@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] :: :: a) continuing doing a CKD You very like don't NEED to do this....but you can. :: b) switching to a TKD Doing this is very similiar to item c on your list. Taking the carbs in post workout is probably better. :: c) doing the Atkins approach of increasing carbs gradually after :: induction, untill weoght loss stops, then reducing the carbs a bit. You can do this. :: d) staying on 'induction' diet and *forcing* myself to work out hard, :: despite the extreme difficulty and unpleasant symptoms it induces. Don't do this....this is pointless and you'll just be fighting yourself. :: But I think I won't do (d) because I've tried it in the past and :: became a real wreck of a person, unable to function effectively in :: general. That's why I'm particularly interested in (a) and (b) and :: (c), but am still not clear which one is best for me - a person :: primarily trying to burn fat, doing 40 mins of cardio+weights each :: day. Honestly, you don't need to do a CKD ( you can if you want to do so obviously) -- that is really for big time lifters -- and you're mainly doing cardio (why are you weighting everyday?). If you continue doing LC --- you'll adapt and you'll mostly likely find a CKD to be completely unnecessary. Since you workout regularly, you can certainly increase your carb level...well beyond induction levels. It is very likely that that will be fine. Honestly, unless you're doing really hard HIIT -- and you'er not since you're doing it every day w/ weight training, you don't need extra carbs for it. One can make all of these work, but be careful with weekly CKDs. A lot of people find them hard to manage -- they are not just free ticket to eat whatever you want Also, think that you're burning calories. If your body uses more than you eat, you'll lose (hopefully) fat. >:: On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:06:23 GMT, "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" >:: <real_doktersteve@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >people find them hard to manage -- they are not just free ticket to eat >whatever you want As long as you keep the total calorie content of a carb cycle under 2000 the liver will store the extra glycogen that is created. A light weekly carb up will help with tough workouts until that glycogen store is used up. Some workouts like riding a bike 50 miles at a moderate pace can be done comfortably on low carb and there is certainly some training effect from doing those kinds of exercises. It is only the extreme workouts where you are working out near 100% of your strength that require the extra carbs. >Also, think that you're burning calories. If your body uses more than you >eat, you'll lose (hopefully) fat. |
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