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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004net effective carbs?
I read the Atkins book a few years ago and I'm going back on the diet (I mean "lifestyle"). So, what's the deal with "Net effective carbs" listed on "low carb" candy bars? I don't remember reading about this in the book. Please refresh my memory. Can you use foods that are 0.2 net effective carbs per serving during the induction period even though the total carb count is 16 grams prior to subtracting fiber and maltitol? How about after induction? Any help would be greatly appreciated! >I read the Atkins book a few years ago and I'm going back on the diet (I >mean "lifestyle"). So, what's the deal with "Net effective carbs" listed on >"low carb" candy bars? I don't remember reading about this in the book. >Please refresh my memory. I knew about the net carbs things prior to reading the books, so I looked for it. Atkins doesn't discuss the sugar alcohols which are netted out. He mentions fiber as an aside on page 285 of New Diet Revolution. This is the only mention in the entire book that fiber doesn't count towards carb #'s. His book needs a serious rewrite. >Can you use foods that are 0.2 net effective carbs per serving during the >induction period even though the total carb count is 16 grams prior to >subtracting fiber and maltitol? How about after induction? Some people can't lose weight when consuming sugar alcohols like maltitol, so watch for a reaction in your weight loss. I tried to avoid all sugar substitues and diet foods durig induction. During the early bad days I had bad cravings. I ate 1/4 of an Atkins Cream and cookies bar. I thought it tasted like crap. (and I don't think that was a changing taste--I just think they don't taste good). I still have the 3/4s of a bar left 2 weeks later. >Any help would be greatly appreciated! DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) > I read the Atkins book a few years ago and I'm going back on the diet (I > mean "lifestyle"). So, what's the deal with "Net effective carbs" listed on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > induction period even though the total carb count is 16 grams prior to > subtracting fiber and maltitol? How about after induction? as i understand it, "net effective carbs" is a marketing gimmick designed to sell more low carb food. i'm pretty sure that on induction, carbs are carbs, and you have to count them all. and manitol (and other sugar alcohols) are bad news for most people (they tend to cause gastric symptoms or blood sugar spikes), so i'd stay away from them. just my opinion, and probably wrong. -kelly > as i understand it, "net effective carbs" is a marketing gimmick designed to > sell more low carb food. i'm pretty sure that on induction, carbs are > carbs, and you have to count them all. and manitol (and other sugar > alcohols) are bad news for most people (they tend to cause gastric symptoms > or blood sugar spikes), so i'd stay away from them. i should add that according to the FDA, anything that's not fat or protein gets lumped in as a "carb", even if it's not something that affects your blood sugar. so the "net effective" carbs should describe the carb grams that will affect blood sugar. i wish they'd start putting the glycemic index on food labels, that would be much more useful. -kelly > i wish they'd start putting the glycemic index on food labels, that would be > much more useful. they're talking about it, or so i heard on dateline last night. > > i wish they'd start putting the glycemic index on food labels, that would be > > much more useful. > > they're talking about it, or so i heard on dateline last night. Glycemic Index Labels are becoming very common in Australia, which is great. Its very helpful when making choices at the supermarket. Its also being mentioned in some TV advertising - an attractive selling point for many companies Im sure. The Glycemix Index was developed in Australia (University of Sydney: glycemicindex.com) and their research has been building a public profile here for longer than in the US - nice to know that we're ahead of the rest of the world in SOMETHING! ;-)  SignatureCaity H kgs: 114.7/103.7/70 lbs: 252.8/228.1/154.3 height: 5'8", 173cms LC since 16th October 2003 There are a couple huge flaws with the glycemic index. 1. Depending on what other foods you eat with a food, the glycemic index of all the foods change. It is only when eaten in isolation that it applies. 2. Different people react differently to foods. For example, if I remember correctly, while I can eat oatmeal with only a small blood sugar spike, Alice F. here reported experiencing a huge spike from the same food. 3. The impact of a 6 ounces of a "low glycemic" food on blood sugar may be much more intense than the impact of 1 ounce of a "high glycemic" food. The index doesn't take into account the size of the portion that you usually eat of the food. I think this is yet another way food manufacturers are trying to get people back into eating carby foods that they'd avoid if they followed low carb diets as described in all the diet books including Atkins before the food manufacturers got into profiting from the big A. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > > > i wish they'd start putting the glycemic index on food labels, that > would be [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > height: 5'8", 173cms > LC since 16th October 2003 > There are a couple huge flaws with the glycemic index. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > correctly, while I can eat oatmeal with only a small blood sugar spike, > Alice F. here reported experiencing a huge spike from the same food. You do, indeed, remember correctly! I had a huge spike from a relatively small portion, with a little butter and cream in it. People tried to convince me that I had used the wrong kind of oatmeal, but, given the spike and the way I felt, I wasn't inclined to experiment. And I *like* oatmeal. I just don't like what it does to me! SignatureAF > There are a couple huge flaws with the glycemic index. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > diets as described in all the diet books including Atkins before the food > manufacturers got into profiting from the big A. And wouldn't it sometimes change, depending on how it is cooked (apart from what it is cooked with)? For example, browned onions.... SignatureJean B. > I read the Atkins book a few years ago and I'm going back on the diet (I > mean "lifestyle"). So, what's the deal with "Net effective carbs" listed on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! You cannot use candy bars while on ketosis. Period. Ketosis is a time when only allowed foods (from the list) are allowed and junk food candy bars are not on the list. The effective carb calculation done by junk food manufacturers is a deception. Typically, a junk food bar contains carbs such as maltitol etc, which are carbs for all intents and purposes, but the manufacturers somehow claim they are not carbs. Generally speaking, for many people, fake candy bars are a big diet downfall and you will be wise if you avoid candy bars. i > You cannot use candy bars while on ketosis. Period. Ketosis is a time > when only allowed foods (from the list) are allowed and junk food > candy bars are not on the list. ketosis is not something that one goes "on." it is a state that one's body is "in." you are confusing it with induction. >> You cannot use candy bars while on ketosis. Period. Ketosis is a time >> when only allowed foods (from the list) are allowed and junk food [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > you are confusing it with induction. you are correct Queen. It is not the first time I am making this shameful mistake, either. i > >> You cannot use candy bars while on ketosis. Period. Ketosis is a time > >> when only allowed foods (from the list) are allowed and junk food [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > you are correct Queen. It is not the first time I am making this > shameful mistake, either. 'tis ok, we all make mistakes. i am up to my eyeballs in spanish homework tonight and i'm surprised i can even think straight at this point. i was pretty sure you knew the difference, but wanted to point it out for the newbies. |
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