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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 20041 Hour Window for ANY carbs?
Ok, forgive me for my insipidness, but I was recently informed of a lady I know from work who does a "modified" form of Atkins diet.. There is a 1 hour window every day where you can eat ANYTHING you want, the only stipulations to the diet are that the other 2 meals must be carbless and both of those meals are mandatory to keep your metabolism going.. I am not trying to debate this matter, I was just trying to see if anyone knew of the name of this diet and where I could find legit information about it.. Thank you and good luck to everyone.. Oh yeah. Eat anything you want for an hour, take a one minute break, then eat anything you want for an hour. Should work just fine.  SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > Ok, forgive me for my insipidness, but I was recently informed of a > lady I know from work who does a "modified" form of Atkins diet.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thank you and good luck to everyone.. | Ok, forgive me for my insipidness, but I was recently informed of a | lady I know from work who does a "modified" form of Atkins diet.. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | anyone knew of the name of this diet and where I could find legit | information about it.. Well, the premise as described isn't exactly right -- you can't eat "anything you want" for the reward meal -- but I'm sure she's referring to the "Carbohydrate Addicts Diet" by the Drs. Heller. At the reward meal you can eat carbs, but it's a balanced meal, not a pigout. I've heard that it's hard to stay with because the rest of the day is extremely strict. There are a couple of old-timers here at ASDLC that lost a lot on CAD. Here's a link to the Heller's official website for the diet with full information about CAD: http://www.carbohydrateaddicts.com/ SignaturePeter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo > Well, the premise as described isn't exactly right -- you can't eat > "anything you want" for the reward meal I have a real problem with this way of thinking. If a person thinks a carb meal is a reward, I think that person will eventually fail in the battle of weight loss. I mean every day you are having a "reward meal". I think you are setting yourself up for failure. I can see carbing out now and again in the course of a week or two. I do that unpurpose sometimes just to knock myself out of ketosis. I find I lose more weight if I do that sometimes, but daily...come on? JMHO, Curt || Well, the premise as described isn't exactly right -- you can't eat || "anything you want" for the reward meal [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | JMHO, | Curt I thnk you're understand better if you read the Heller's book. I did, and what they were saying made sense and works for some people. It just isn't for me. Guess it's a case of YMMV. SignaturePeter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo > I thnk you're understand better if you read the Heller's book. I did, and > what they were saying made sense and works for some people. It just isn't > for me. Guess it's a case of YMMV. My mum tried it for a while, I think she found Atkins intimidatingly strict (I have both books and loaned them to her when she was considering it). Funnily enough about 35 years ago she lost quite a bit of weight by 'cutting out sugar and starch' ... I just don't know why LC is such a medical mystery now! Her doctor fully supported her all those years ago. I guess she's been brainwashed by the low fat mindset for too many years to be able to cope with Atkins, thinks she's too old for that sort of carry-on (I think she's worried about things like constipation at her age). Unfortunately she started eating lunch out a lot so she drifted back into old (bad) habits rather than having her carby meal at lunchtime. But she's talking of starting again because her arthritis is giving her hell and she's starting to get heartburn again too, both of which improved radically or disappeared entirely while she followed CAD. She did lose some weight despite her 'reward' meal being a bit of a pig-out at first. She knows she'd lose more if she didn't go mad on it, and I think this time around she's going to try and be a bit more moderate. I think some folks find CAD a good start too, then they move onto Atkins after a few months (or when they stall) - I believe it can reduce or eliminate the 'induction flu' that most folks get on Atkins, as their bodies have had a period to adjust to reduced carbs already. Rachel (New Zealand) Eating a "reward" meal teaches you nothing a eating a healthy lifestyle. The whole idea, IMHO, is to stop thinking of food as a reward (or a comfort, friend, sympathizer etc.). Oh boy, I lost a pound - I think I will "reward" myself with <insert food here>. > | Ok, forgive me for my insipidness, but I was recently informed of a > | lady I know from work who does a "modified" form of Atkins diet.. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Peter > website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo > Eating a "reward" meal teaches you nothing a eating a healthy lifestyle. > The whole idea, IMHO, is to stop thinking of food as a reward (or a > comfort, > friend, sympathizer etc.). Oh boy, I lost a pound - I think I will > "reward" myself with <insert food here>. Exactly. Also, if you read the CAD book cover to cover (I have, I own a paperback copy), you'll find that the way the author herself lost HER weight was by eating *one* *meal* *a* *day*, of anything she wanted, stopping when full. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that that way of eating equated to less calories consumed overall in one day's span. The book contradicts itself all over the place, and is written like an infomercial (It's full of "testimonies" and I can see why Oprah was attracted to the book). That having been said, though, I have a soft spot in my heart for the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet, as it got me started to discovering which foods I really need. At the RM (I hate the term "reward meal" with a passion but that's the only way to describe it based on the premise of the book) I discovered which foods were "carbworthy", and didn't throw me off track. I have a couple of their books.. some of the recipes are great.. it's kind of a pick what you can live with out of it and discard the rest. I didn't like feeling as if I was sitting around all day just waiting for that one gooooood meal. The food lists in the CAD books are helpful anyway. Teeb > > Eating a "reward" meal teaches you nothing a eating a healthy lifestyle. > > The whole idea, IMHO, is to stop thinking of food as a reward (or a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > of the book) I discovered which foods were "carbworthy", and > didn't throw me off track. > I have a couple of their books.. some of the recipes are great.. it's kind > of a pick what you can live with out of it and discard the rest. I didn't > like feeling as if I was sitting around all day just waiting for that one > gooooood meal. The food lists in the CAD books are helpful anyway. > > Teeb True. Like I said, I still do have a soft spot towards CAD, because it did get me started. The criticisms I had are well, there anyway but the authors who wrote them are human. No big deal. CM >>Ok, forgive me for my insipidness, but I was recently informed of a lady I know from work who does a "modified" form of Atkins diet.. There is a 1 hour window every day where you can eat ANYTHING you want, the only stipulations to the diet are that the other 2 meals must be carbless and both of those meals are mandatory to keep your metabolism going.. I am not trying to debate this matter, I was just trying to see if anyone knew of the name of this diet and where I could find legit information about it.. I believe this is the carbohydrate addict's diet. I know nothing about it, though. http://www.low-carb-diet-plans.com/carbohydrate_addicts_diet.htm Sheila It's the Carbohydrate addicts diet...I once gained 10 pounds on it! > It's the Carbohydrate addicts diet...I once gained 10 pounds on it! that must have been SOME reward meal! > Ok, forgive me for my insipidness, but I was recently informed of a > lady I know from work who does a "modified" form of Atkins diet.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thank you and good luck to everyone.. It sounds like a wishful-thinking version of the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet. Look for books by the Doctors Heller. Two meals are quite low-carb. The third meal, which must be consumed in an hour, consists of equal portions (by size on the plate) of carbs, protein, and vegetables. SignatureAF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball > > Ok, forgive me for my insipidness, but I was recently informed of a > > lady I know from work who does a "modified" form of Atkins diet.. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > low-carb. The third meal, which must be consumed in an hour, consists of > equal portions (by size on the plate) of carbs, protein, and vegetables. I remember when they talked about it on Oprah a few years ago. I specifically remember that at the "reward meal" if you want, say, some more mashed potatoes, you also have to eat an equal amount of more meat and veggies too. And, no, JC, you can't have two reward meals in a day. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > I remember when they talked about it on Oprah a few years ago. I > specifically remember that at the "reward meal" if you want, say, some more > mashed potatoes, you also have to eat an equal amount of more meat and > veggies too. And, no, JC, you can't have two reward meals in a day. so it's like two atkins meals and one zone meal per day? sounds confusing... -kelly > > I remember when they talked about it on Oprah a few years ago. I > > specifically remember that at the "reward meal" if you want, say, some [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -kelly Eh, sounded pretty simple to me. I find it easier to just go low-carb all day though, because I usually don't miss the high-carb foods I used to eat. But for someone who would feel too deprived without certain foods to be able to stick to low-carb long term, I think the CAD approach could be a good one. Not just because they'd get to eat the foods they love, but also because at the end of the day after having eaten almost all protein and fat all day, they probably won't be as hungry at their last meal as they would be had they been eating high-carb all day, and therefore may just eat less overall. Plus, I have found through my experiences with my cheats, both planned and unplanned, that if I eat carbs along with protein I don't feel ill or get cravings. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > Eh, sounded pretty simple to me. I find it easier to just go low-carb all > day though, because I usually don't miss the high-carb foods I used to eat. Likewise - but mostly because I find it safer not to have high-carb food available in the house. If I'm craving carbs, it rarely lasts more than an hour or two. If I don't have an easy 'fix' in the house I can resist with no problems. > But for someone who would feel too deprived without certain foods to be > able to stick to low-carb long term, I think the CAD approach could be a > good one. Ah, the "I can't live without my potatoes/bread/pasta/rice" brigade ... :o) Rachel (New Zealand) > so it's like two atkins meals and one zone meal per day? sounds > confusing... > > -kelly And for those of you who have done this, does this just keep your cravings alive? SignatureJean B. I did this diet for a while. I liked it and my cravings did go away for the most part. My problem with it was that I had trouble eating the meal in one hour. At the end of the day I didn't want to feel rushed through my meal. I had some success on this diet but ultimately stopped because of the timing of the reward meal. I'd recommend their book just for the recipes. They had some good ideas that were different. Lorraine > > so it's like two atkins meals and one zone meal per day? sounds > > confusing... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Jean B. > I did this diet for a while. I liked it and my cravings did go away for the > most part. My problem with it was that I had trouble eating the meal in one [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lorraine Thanks for the response. I'll be sure to look at their book. "Recipes" is a magic word for me. SignatureJean B. >> so it's like two atkins meals and one zone meal per day? sounds >> confusing... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And for those of you who have done this, does this just keep your > cravings alive? Yes, and no. The Carbohydrate Addict's Diet turned me into more of an addict than I previously might have been. I'd dream all day about which carbs I'd choose for my "reward meal", and then never be completely satisfied after it was over (I'd always wish I'd chosen "that other thing" instead, and have to wait another day for it). However, one thing about the reward meals, it helped me discover *which* types of carbs kept my cravings alive. Some types are ok for me, and some aren't. The types that turned out to be ok anyway, were relatively low-carb by standards on other diets (nuts, avocadoes etc) but were put on the "eat this only at reward meal" list of the Hellers' diets. Nuts and avocadoes I believe are not on Atkins induction but are gradually allowed after successful induction (?). So the natural progression anyway is back to a more Atkin's style of diet anyway. CM > >> so it's like two atkins meals and one zone meal per day? sounds > >> confusing... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > CM Very interesting, and I can definitely see how one could become fixated on the reward meal. Also interesting about the nuts and avocados. Thanks! SignatureJean B. > Luna wrot: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > mashed potatoes, you also have to eat an equal amount of more meat and > > veggies too. And, no, JC, you can't have two reward meals in a day. Right. There's an entire book on the topic, and at least one follow-on book by the good doctors Heller. > so it's like two atkins meals and one zone meal per day? sounds > confusing... Chuckle. Nice description. My problem with CAD is it doesn't take food intolerance based addictions into account. If I'd tried CAD first, I would have been allowed pasta in my reward meal of day one, my addictive reaction to wheat would have kicked in, and I would have failed CAD. Only Atkins completely forbids grain of any kind and then gives a process to decide how to decide when to add what and how to decide whether it's a problem. So after I did Atkins I could use CAD easily. > I remember when they talked about it on Oprah a few years ago. I > specifically remember that at the "reward meal" if you want, say, some > more mashed potatoes, you also have to eat an equal amount of more meat > and > veggies too. And, no, JC, you can't have two reward meals in a day. Not only that, but the "reward meal" (I don't like the term as it sets up the user to think of food as a reward) must start with either 2 cups of salad or 1 cup of cooked allowed veggies. The reward meal is designed to keep the person from consuming too many. I started low-carbing on this diet, but found the allowed list of foods outside of the RM too restrictive. Eating from the same repertoire every day, with the exception of a small carb allotment (unless you eat a truckload for other stuff to match desired carbs) got tedious. Plus RM was no guarantee of protection against the cravings which troubled me to begin with. CM That diet sounds hard to do, and I think I'd go overboard with the carbs if I do that. If I stay away from certain things, the cravings go away. If I want a "high carb" meal, I'll plan to have it and eat it. My favorite thing is to find alternatives to making what I am craving. I originally did CAD 2 years ago, and lost the weight I wanted. I didn't look at the Reward Meal as so much a "Reward" as a "If I want something carby, I can have it." The first week I started my mom made her famous Oreo Cookie Cheesecake, and I still lost weight, and didn't have cravings. I think the secret is to follow it precisely: The 2 cups of salad, the protein, the veggie and THEN the carb. There was a 2 week stretch where I'd eat my salad/veggies at home and then go to my favorite Taco place for carne asada tacos. I liked the flexibility of that woe, although now for simplicity's sake, I just eat "natural" foods (veggies, salad, meat, etc.) and only have bread or something now and then, but I'm not trying to lose anymore. I guess it just depends on what would work for each person. I found with CAD that eating my "Reward meal" during lunch was the best way to go. Normally I'd end up just having a very small dinner, if anything, on those days. Meghan 162/140/140 CAD since 8/6/01 -- "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I can't tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative idea." -- Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999) > Ok, forgive me for my insipidness, but I was recently informed of a > lady I know from work who does a "modified" form of Atkins diet.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thank you and good luck to everyone.. no offense, but that's about the dumbest thing i've ever heard. >Ok, forgive me for my insipidness, but I was recently informed of a >lady I know from work who does a "modified" form of Atkins diet.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Thank you and good luck to everyone.. Carb Addicts. And a salad to start the meal is mandatory as are the proportions of craving reducing veggies & proteins to carbs. The one hour limit has to do with the 75 minute response time before insulin kicks in. If you finish eating AND are satisfied the insulin response is lower. Otherwise insulin kicks in just as high. If it works for you it works. Atkins mentions it in his 1999 edition as a way of trying to vary the maintenance diet. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) For those of you who said "that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard", you need more life experiences..Breathe in Breathe Out.. For the others who took their time to source this "rumor"..I thank you dearly..I am not on the carb diet as I am blessed with good genes I suppose, but I saw this person every day working in 7-11 and we would talk about the diet and her weight and she told me of the meal and I was incredulous (she didn't say anything about the strict form, she just simply said she was on a diet that she researched where you could eat anything you wanted in a 1 hour frame) and I didn't want to see her putting her energy in all the wrong places.. I will buy a copy of this book for her and hope it helps her.. You guys are in general quite a kind group and I thank you for your help.. |
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