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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / January 2004Playing us all for suckers.
Can anyone tell me why Atkins and other low carb brand names (ketogenics comes to mind) are priced so highly? I can understand that at one point it was the principle of supply and demand that caused a small box of pancake mix to sell for nearly $7.50 American (about $10.00 Canadian at large grocery retailers here where I live, in a large market city of over 1 million people), but with 19% of all Americans following or having tried a LC diet in the past year, and with the Atkins center pulling in over $150 million last year, is there still a reason for this? There are bars that cost 1.5 or 2X what other comparable bars cost. What is the difference, that the LC bars are using malitol or sucralose instead of white sugar or fructose-glucose? That they are using a LITTLE bit more whey isolate? Seriously, check out the labels of a high protein low carb bar. The ingredients are not that different from the other bars on the market that are packed with carbs. I am just saying that for a person like me - forced in a way to buy protein shakes or bars for after the gym, but going back to LC, it seems sort of like these companies are just playing people for suckers. It is too bad, I think. yes but as long as people pay good money for them and they are making money off of them why lower the prices/?? I buy my products at GNC at a fairly reasonable price here in Canada... Maybe just shop around like I have... > Can anyone tell me why Atkins and other low carb brand names (ketogenics > comes to mind) are priced so highly? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > It is too bad, I think. > I am just saying that for a person like me - forced in a way to buy protein > shakes or bars for after the gym, but going back to LC, it seems sort of > like these companies are just playing people for suckers. > > It is too bad, I think. Forced?? Bullshit. Eat proper food, add a whey protein shake if you like, but there's no need to buy weird LC stuff at inflated prices. > > I am just saying that for a person like me - forced in a way to buy > protein [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Forced?? Bullshit. Eat proper food, add a whey protein shake if you like, > but there's no need to buy weird LC stuff at inflated prices. Ok anthony. so what source to you suggest I get WHEY ISOLATE from after a workout, if not in a shake or bar. thanks. Steve > Ok anthony. so what source to you suggest I get WHEY ISOLATE from > after a workout, if not in a shake or bar. Protein Powder. www.netrition.com. 5lbs of protein concentrate (80%) for $30, or about 77 servings (21g protein per serving, about $0.39/serving). Isolate (90%) is a bit more expensive (more refined), about $0.75/serving. For my post-workouts, I put powder in a shaker bottle and add water from the cooler at the gym when I'm ready to drink it. The point is, you don't have to buy it pre-formed into a drinkable shake in a can, or edible bar in a wrapper, both of which are expensive. Buy the cheap powder and make it yourself. > > Ok anthony. so what source to you suggest I get WHEY ISOLATE from > > after a workout, if not in a shake or bar. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shake in a can, or edible bar in a wrapper, both of which are > expensive. Buy the cheap powder and make it yourself. Yep, I understand what you mean. I prefer bar form, as I rely on city transit (trains, busses) and taking shakes with me can be a hazard (ever had one open in a backpack? messy lol), but economically it is better to get shakes, I agree. > I prefer bar form, as I rely on city transit (trains, busses) and taking > shakes with me can be a hazard (ever had one open in a backpack? messy lol), > but economically it is better to get shakes, I agree. I don't carry the wet shakes around, just the dry powder. You can seal it in a plastic bag if you want (and put that inside the shaker bottle). I don't add the water until I'm ready to drink it. For backpacking, I'd turbo-seal them (just the heat seal) as I don't trust zip-lock bags that much. > > I prefer bar form, as I rely on city transit (trains, busses) and taking > > shakes with me can be a hazard (ever had one open in a backpack? messy lol), [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > For backpacking, I'd turbo-seal them (just the heat seal) as I don't > trust zip-lock bags that much. thanks for the good tips. I should get a cheap-o plastic cup with measuring increments on it so I can make sure I add enough water, although that matters for any reason other that taste of the shake lol. > thanks for the good tips. > I should get a cheap-o plastic cup with measuring increments on it so I can > make sure I add enough water, although that matters for any reason other > that taste of the shake lol. Tupperware makes a shaker with markings in ounces and ml, holds up to 2 cups or 500ml. It has a little insert that looks like a wheel with fanned spokes, that helps break up clumps in powders. They are very durable, and don't leak -- with one exception. If you use them for hot liquids, as my husband tried to use one instead of a travel mug for taking coffee to work, the seals will expand or warp a little, and it will start to leak after a while. (Tupperware lifetime warranty replaces items that crack, warp, or leak for free, though.)  Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." "Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote: > Ok anthony. so what source to you suggest I get WHEY ISOLATE from after a > workout, if not in a shake or bar. > thanks. You can buy whey isolate (at least down here you can) and make something from it yourself. Just yesterday I saw some from Bob's Red Mill. I hadn't seen that before. Maybe totally unflavored. I didn't check out the label though. SignatureJean B. Easy solution: don't buy that stuff. You can get protein powder on eBay - 5 lb tub for $30. Leave off the bars, imo, and the pre-made shakes. They can only ask those prices as long as people are willing to pay. Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote: :: Can anyone tell me why Atkins and other low carb brand names :: (ketogenics comes to mind) are priced so highly? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] :: :: It is too bad, I think. > Easy solution: don't buy that stuff. You can get protein powder on eBay - 5 > lb tub for $30. Leave off the bars, imo, and the pre-made shakes. They can > only ask those prices as long as people are willing to pay. I never thought of ebay. the idea makes me nervous though, as its something that goes into my body, I don't want any chance of tampering. Perhaps I am just paranoid. Btw, are you checking your email? I sent you something last night, and am patiently waiting a response. > > Easy solution: don't buy that stuff. You can get protein powder on eBay - > 5 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Btw, are you checking your email? I sent you something last night, and am > patiently waiting a response. Most sellers on ebay are wholesalers or store owners. I've bought protein ppowder on ebay several times with no problem at all. Norsk Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote: ::: Easy solution: don't buy that stuff. You can get protein powder on ::: eBay - 5 lb tub for $30. Leave off the bars, imo, and the pre-made [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: tampering. :: Perhaps I am just paranoid. Mostly, yes. There are very reputable dealers on eBay. These people make a living there. The products you get from someone running an eBay store and someone who has a lot of feedback will be as good as what you can buy in any brick and mortar store. I buy all my shoes on eBay now. I buy all my protein powder there. I've bought a Tivo unit there, phones systems there, cell phone stuff there. Nary a problem. You just have to pay attention who you're buying from and read the descriptions carefully (very carefully -- it is your responsibility to understand what you're buying -- and you fail to do that -- you may be disappointed). :: Btw, are you checking your email? I sent you something last night, :: and am patiently waiting a response. Done. > Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote: > ::: Easy solution: don't buy that stuff. You can get protein powder on [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Done. Hmmm. I've never used eBay. The other day, I saw a book, eBay for Dummies. Maybe I should get that! SignatureJean B. :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] :: Hmmm. I've never used eBay. The other day, I saw a book, eBay :: for Dummies. Maybe I should get that! Maybe so if you're a seller....but as a buyer you just need to get the notion of feedback and reading very carefully the information given in the descriptions of items. If you don't understand exactly the terms of the deal and what you're buying (used, slightly used, broken, brand new, etc.) you'll likely to be upset Also, having a Paypal account backed up by a credit card is a good idea (just so money doesn't come right out of your bank account -- not really a huge advantage but I prefer it). Of course, if you buy goods on e-Bay via a credit card, you don't get the same protection from the credit card company you would if you bought an item from the mall. Basically, your CC company is paying paypal and not the vendor. I'm sure there are some real e-Bay experts on here. I'm just a happy buyer (so far). :: -- :: Jean B. > Maybe so if you're a seller....but as a buyer you just need to get the > notion of feedback and reading very carefully the information given in the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'm sure there are some real e-Bay experts on here. I'm just a happy buyer > (so far). Thanks, Roger. That's informative. SignatureJean B. On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:48:55 -0500, "Roger Zoul" >bank account -- not really a huge advantage but I prefer it). Of course, if >you buy goods on e-Bay via a credit card, you don't get the same protection [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I'm sure there are some real e-Bay experts on here. I'm just a happy buyer >(so far). I'm a buyer and a seller. I'd say the other thing for buyers to keep in mind is that it's an auction not a retail store type of purchase. For the most part, assume that you can't send it back if you get it and don't like it or change your mind about it, etc. There are exceptions but generally, all sales are final unless expressly stated otherwise. Kalish >> Easy solution: don't buy that stuff. You can get protein powder on eBay - >5 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Btw, are you checking your email? I sent you something last night, and am >patiently waiting a response. Poor Roger, seems he has adopted Baby Hughy here. What a lamer FakeDokterSteve. Doctor of what..idiology? > >> Easy solution: don't buy that stuff. You can get protein powder on eBay - > >5 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Poor Roger, seems he has adopted Baby Hughy here. What a lamer > FakeDokterSteve. Doctor of what..idiology? and alas, no one cares what you say. have a good weekend. > Can anyone tell me why Atkins and other low carb brand names (ketogenics > comes to mind) are priced so highly? Uh...because people will pay the prices? Forced to buy? Idiot. SignatureJC Eat less, exercise more. -- > Can anyone tell me why Atkins and other low carb brand names (ketogenics > comes to mind) are priced so highly? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > It is too bad, I think. "Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message > Can anyone tell me why Atkins and other low carb brand names (ketogenics > comes to mind) are priced so highly? Because people are willing to pay the price. The bottom line is profit. Just don't buy that Atkins crap - eat real food. >Can anyone tell me why Atkins and other low carb brand names (ketogenics >comes to mind) are priced so highly? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >It is too bad, I think. Forced to buy? What a dumbass. Don't want them, don't buy them. You are a whiner and always will be a whiner. You stir sh.t and always will be a sh.t stirrer. Go away Steven C (Doktersteve) <real_doktersteve@hotmail.com> wrote: > I am just saying that for a person like me - forced in a way to buy protein > shakes or bars for after the gym, but going back to LC, it seems sort of > like these companies are just playing people for suckers. forced in what way? they got a gun to your head or something? you couldn't figure out how to make your own shakes and bars, could you? i know it's a bold and daring idea - and call me a crazy dreamer if you must - but it seems to me like you could do it if you just put a smidge of effort into it. > Can anyone tell me why Atkins and other low carb brand names (ketogenics > comes to mind) are priced so highly? If enough yahoos are willing to pay $2 per shake or $6 for a teeny loaf of Atkins bread, there's no reason for them to drop their prices. WalMart's jumping on the LC bandwagon will probably drive some of the prices down, though. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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