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"Trimspa" or Drugs?

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Cubit - 10 Feb 2004 19:49 GMT
I saw Anna Nicole Smith on Larry King last night.  She looked like she was
drunk or on drugs of some kind.  She slurred her words and her eyes were
dull.  She says she still takes 2 trimspa tablets a day, even though she
looks great.  If trimspa is as powerful a stimulant as she says it is, I'll
bet it gets banned.  However, she did not seem wired like on amphetamines to
me.

Early in the show Anna made a small shift in her seat and a loud fart was
heard.  I replayed it twice to be sure.  I laughed so so hard.

She complained that she thinks she is too thin.  I gather she keeps taking
the trimspa because she is afraid her appetite will come back.  It made me
feel sorry for her.

She was having obvious memory problems.  She could remember her playboy
pictorial days better than recent events.
Lorraine - 10 Feb 2004 20:33 GMT
I remember someone telling me when that show of hers came out that she has
some sort of chronic pain issue.  I don't remember the details.  I do
however remember them telling me that she's on all kinds of pain medication
for it.  Anyway, she's a very sad individual.  Every time I see her or hear
something about her all I can think about is how pathetic she is.

Lorraine

> I saw Anna Nicole Smith on Larry King last night.  She looked like she was
> drunk or on drugs of some kind.  She slurred her words and her eyes were
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> She was having obvious memory problems.  She could remember her playboy
> pictorial days better than recent events.
Debra D - 10 Feb 2004 20:39 GMT
she was on live with regis and kelly today and looked great.  I did hear
them talking on the radio, however, that she seemed "drugged" on last
night's larry king show.  does trimspa just make you have less of an
appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she used to.
FOB - 11 Feb 2004 01:03 GMT
Manufacturer's Description:
Ephedra-Free appetite suppresant for people who shouldn't use ephedra.

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 2 tabs
Servings per Container: 30

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value**

Chromium                150mcg    125
Vanadium                30mcg        ?
Glucomannan            400mg        ?
Sodium Carboxymethylcellulose 100mg ?
Citrus Naringinine        10mg            ?
Glucosamine HCI           100mg            ?
Cocoa Extract            400mg            ?
Green Tea Extract        250mg        ?
Hoodia Gordonii Cactus    150mg    ?

** Percent Daily Value is based on a 2000 calorie diet. Your daily values
may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
? Daily Value not established.

In news:LjbWb.5204$rv1.3246287@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net,
Debra D <deblynn1@optonline.net> stated
| she was on live with regis and kelly today and looked great.  I did
| hear them talking on the radio, however, that she seemed "drugged" on
| last night's larry king show.  does trimspa just make you have less
| of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
| used to.
The Dude - 11 Feb 2004 21:51 GMT
The ingredients appear to be all natural vitamin like stuff, i.e. nothing
bad.
Perhaps I should give it a try.  After all, if it took hunger cravings away
from Anna, it MUST work!

-The Dude

> Manufacturer's Description:
> Ephedra-Free appetite suppresant for people who shouldn't use ephedra.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> | of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
> | used to.
sonya - 19 Feb 2004 17:33 GMT
Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
around 7:00, ate a salad for dinner, and was still not hungry when I
awoke this morning.  I ate my two eggs and half a la tortilla factory
tortilla for breakfast, and finally took another (one more) Trimspa at
11:00am today.

What I have noticed:
I do NOT feel edgy, nervous, or fluttery
I am NOT hungry, I actually have no desire to eat.
My moods seem to be elevated... I feel happy today (though this could
be a coincidence)

The ingredients list Hoodia Gordonii Cactus - which is what actually
convinced me to buy/try it.  I have a friend who has been taking
Hoodia imported from Africa and has reported some great results.  He
hooked me up with an article about it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2947810.stm
This stuff seems legit -- and there's a patent out by Phytopharm on
the molecule in it that fools your brain into thinking it's full.
Anyways - so far, I am VERY pleased with my results.

Sonya

> The ingredients appear to be all natural vitamin like stuff, i.e. nothing
> bad.
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> > | of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
> > | used to.
The Dude - 19 Feb 2004 19:07 GMT
Thanks for your info Sonya!  I think I may give this stuff a whirl,
especially with that price - $17.97!
I will post and let you know how it works out :-)

-The Dude

> Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
> at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> > > | of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
> > > | used to.
billydee - 19 Feb 2004 22:58 GMT
don't bother with anything that doesn't contain ephedra or ephedrine.
it's worthless for fat loss. The green tea might have some of an
effect, but you'd be better off just taking green tea extract.
John - 20 Feb 2004 04:07 GMT
Thanks for the info on Hoodia Gordonii  (P57) ... looks like it might be the
next craze to replace ephedra ... would be wonderful to much on cactus for
late night snack and cure the hunger pains for 24 hours ...

> Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
> at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> > > | of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
> > > | used to.
Debra D - 20 Feb 2004 10:42 GMT
"Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
> at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
> around 7:00, ate a salad for dinner, and was still not hungry when I
> awoke this morning.  I ate my two eggs and half a la tortilla factory
> tortilla for breakfast, and finally took another (one more) Trimspa at
> 11:00am today."

I am seriously thinking of trying this.  The main thing that is stopping me
is I am pretty sure it has a lot of caffeine.  Is it less $$$ in the store
than the trimspa website?
Debra
The Dude - 20 Feb 2004 14:18 GMT
Debra,  I just purchased Trimspa last night at the local WalMart and the
price was $17.97, just as Sonya said.  However it is not a 60 count bottle,
it is a 30 count box.  At any rate I just took two Trim Spa capsules and I
am interested to know it will make me feel later today.  By the way, I did
not see caffeine as an ingredient.

Thanks,
The Dude

> "Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
> > at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> than the trimspa website?
> Debra
jamie - 20 Feb 2004 17:28 GMT
> Debra,  I just purchased Trimspa last night at the local WalMart and the
> price was $17.97, just as Sonya said.  However it is not a 60 count bottle,
> it is a 30 count box.  At any rate I just took two Trim Spa capsules and I
> am interested to know it will make me feel later today.  By the way, I did
> not see caffeine as an ingredient.

The green tea extract in it is "standardized for 40% caffeine".

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The Dude - 21 Feb 2004 22:05 GMT
Well after 1 full day on Trimspa I am impressed with the results!
I took two capsules yesterday at 8AM and didn't fell much different the rest
of the day.  However Today I am not hungry.  I have had no hunger pains at
all and I haven't eaten anything substantial other than some veggies..  I
finally ate something at 4PM, but not because I felt hungry - just to put
something in my stomach.  This stuff is freaky!  At any rate the results
come, but - at least for me - it takes a day for the Trimspa to take effect.

thanks,
The Dude

> Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
> at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> > > | of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
> > > | used to.
sonya - 26 Feb 2004 20:00 GMT
Hey The Dude,

I am glad you are having some success!  
As for Fat Burning or loss - I don't think that this stuff is supposed
to do that so much as just curb your desire to eat - specifically
stuff you shouldn't!

As for Hoodia Gordonii - here's an update:

My buddy Ralph has been buying this stuff straight from Africa, and he
finally got his latest purchase in (it took about 2-3 weeks from when
he ordered it) and he gave me two capsules to try yesterday as a
sample.  Oh My Gosh.  This stuff nulled my appetite completely.  I
took the capsules on top of a medium sized salad at 11:30 in the
afternoon, and I had NO desire to eat again until 9:30 this morning -
and that's just on two capsules.  As a matter of fact, the thought of
eating dinner last night actually turned me off.  Anyways, I am so
impressed, I am ordering some for myself today.  Here is the URL:
http://www.aloe.za.com/

However, since Ralph has ordered from a couple of different places so
far, he recommends this one because it comes staright from Africa.
The other bottles he has gotten have all advertised Hoodia, but have
not had any effect on him and he felt like those were a waste of
money.

This brand of hoodia that he let me try was much more effective than
even the Trimspa X32 that I bought before, and so I am convinced that
it must be the real thing.  However, it is more expensive...

happy losing...
sonya

> Well after 1 full day on Trimspa I am impressed with the results!
> I took two capsules yesterday at 8AM and didn't fell much different the rest
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
> > > > | of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
> > > > | used to.
The Dude - 26 Feb 2004 23:18 GMT
Thanks for the info.
Yeah I am still wondering what the right dosage should be.  Some versions of
hoodia have 100mg in them as opposed to Trim Spa's 150mg.
I'll definately check the link out.
-The Dude

> Hey The Dude,
>
[quoted text clipped - 107 lines]
> > > > > | of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
> > > > > | used to.
The Dude - 26 Feb 2004 23:19 GMT
Oops I meant to say 1000mg instead of 100mg.

> Hey The Dude,
>
[quoted text clipped - 107 lines]
> > > > > | of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
> > > > > | used to.
Jo-Ann - 27 Feb 2004 02:04 GMT
Sonya,
I checked out the web site you posted for the Hoodia. My only question is
how safe is this to order giving one's credit card number to which goes to
Africa? I would love to try the product but I'm afraid to order it over the
Internet.
Thanks, Jo-Ann
sonya - 27 Feb 2004 20:55 GMT
> Sonya,
> I checked out the web site you posted for the Hoodia. My only question is
> how safe is this to order giving one's credit card number to which goes to
> Africa? I would love to try the product but I'm afraid to order it over the
> Internet.
> Thanks, Jo-Ann

Hi Jo-Ann,

Ralph has ordered from this company two or three times now, with no
misgivings.  In fact he has corresponded with the supplier, who
actually just asked him to write a testimonial for the site, which I
thought was rather cool (now we can say we know that at least one of
those wasn't a fake letter! :-) though I don't believe that his letter
has been posted yet.

I order stuff on the internet all the time, though until now, never
before from Africa (though from Australia, the U.K. and Japan) so I
don't have any problems with using my credit card on the internet.
The one time that a website that I used was compromised by a hacker
(my own card number had not actually been used by the hacker) the bank
that backed my card called me on the phone to let me know that they
were taking care of it.  They knew right away.

Anyways - I think it's safe enough, or at least no worse than using it
any other time (you're always taking a chance).  And if you still
would rather not, then I am fairly certain they take money orders, or
you could try emailing the guy and asking him if you could send him
the money via PayPal https://www.paypal.com  which will send the him a
notice on how to retrieve his cash using his email to set up a paypal
account.  I like paypal alot, it is my favorite way to pay online.
(ralph suggests that you could also try getting a pre-paid mastercard,
he says that here you can get them from Tom Thumb, so if someone
managed to steal the number, it would be worthless to them).

Anyways,  I hope this all helps with your piece of mind! :-)

Sonya
The Dude - 28 Feb 2004 00:52 GMT
Sonya,

Does your friend Ralph know what the true dosage is for hoodia?  Trimspa is
150 mg, but I'm not sure how pure it is.  Plus I seen dosages for hoodia on
the Internet all the way from 40mg to 1000mg.  I am struggling with how much
is the right amount to take.  Just wondering?

Thanks,
-The Dude

> Hey The Dude,
>
[quoted text clipped - 107 lines]
> > > > > | of an appetite?  I did hear her say she does not crave food like she
> > > > > | used to.
sonya - 05 Mar 2004 21:35 GMT
> Sonya,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks,
> -The Dude

Hi Dude,

Ralph says he takes two capsules of his stuff in the morning, and
that's it - and each one of those has 488mg in it - so I would say
that's pretty darned close to 1000mg.  Hope that helps!

Sonya
Anne - 18 Mar 2004 15:56 GMT
> Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
> at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> My moods seem to be elevated... I feel happy today (though this could
> be a coincidence)

I'm on it for the 1st time today and took 1 pill this morning. 30
minutes later I feel happy. It must be one of those herbs.
JessiJelloQueen - 18 Mar 2004 16:03 GMT
>> What I have noticed:
>> I do NOT feel edgy, nervous, or fluttery
>> I am NOT hungry, I actually have no desire to eat.
>> My moods seem to be elevated... I feel happy today (though this could
>> be a coincidence)

See?
Thats what i am saying atkins diet does not work as written.
Atkins says no caffeine.
But his very own accel products put out before his death have caffeine.
Trimspa has caffeine.
Atkins diet does not work as written.

Jessi
jamie - 18 Mar 2004 18:47 GMT
> See?
> Thats what i am saying atkins diet does not work as written.
> Atkins says no caffeine.
> But his very own accel products put out before his death have caffeine.

According to comments in one of the interviews of his widow, they sold
off Atkins Nutritionals at some point.  That was probably when they
started coming out with sugar alcohol-filled products, because several
editions of Atkins' book said to avoid sugar alcohols.

That was also probably when other utterly ridiculous but trendy quackery
"Atkins" products such as the herbal diuretic/laxative "cleanse" pills
started showing up in the Atkins product line.

The recent paperback titled something to the effect of Atkins Quick-Start
is from Atkins Nutritionals (Info Division) and not by Dr. Atkins, and
contradicts quite a bit of what Atkins wrote about induction-appropriate
foods in several editions of his book.

Also, the atkins.com website is owned by Atkins Nutritionals, so
of course they are pushing the crappy products all the time, and
claiming they're appropriate for every phase of the diet.

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meow - 19 Mar 2004 18:44 GMT
>> Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
>> at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>I'm on it for the 1st time today and took 1 pill this morning. 30
>minutes later I feel happy. It must be one of those herbs.

I was taking the older version of trimspa with ephedra  (not the x32)
mainly for some energy and i had to stop because it gives me bad
stomach ache. was thinking of trying the x32 with no ephedra. Does it
give you a stomach ache?
Brigid Nelson - 19 Mar 2004 20:35 GMT
>>>Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
>>>at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> stomach ache. was thinking of trying the x32 with no ephedra. Does it
> give you a stomach ache?

I had that problem with Metabolift and thought that it might be becasue
of the aspirin.

brigid
meow - 20 Mar 2004 18:01 GMT
>>>>Actually, I just bought some Trimspa (formula X32) yesterday evening
>>>>at Super Walmart ($17.97 or something) and I took ONE last night at
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>brigid

There's asprin in it?
jamie - 20 Mar 2004 23:42 GMT
>>> I was taking the older version of trimspa with ephedra  (not the x32)
>>> mainly for some energy and i had to stop because it gives me bad
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> There's asprin in it?

There's willow bark in Metabolift and many other herbal stacks.  It's
typically included as an herbal "alternative" to aspirin, because the
salicins provide some pain relief like aspirin does.  However, aspirin
(acetylsalicylic acid) was specifically developed *because* the salicins
in willow bark and other plants are very rough on the stomach.

There is also no evidence that willow bark inhibits prostaglandins,
which is the purpose of the aspirin in the ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin
stack.

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Jean Staffen - 21 Mar 2004 00:15 GMT
You all might be interested in my post about Glucomannan.
http://www.konnyaku.com/e_data/mannan.html
I just put it on the NG.

> >>> I was taking the older version of trimspa with ephedra  (not the x32)
> >>> mainly for some energy and i had to stop because it gives me bad
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> which is the purpose of the aspirin in the ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin
> stack.
Brigid Nelson - 21 Mar 2004 04:30 GMT
>>>>I was taking the older version of trimspa with ephedra  (not the x32)
>>>>mainly for some energy and i had to stop because it gives me bad
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> which is the purpose of the aspirin in the ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin
> stack.

Thanks for explaining that so clearly.  I guess I've been pretty loose
about thinking of the Willow Bark as aspirin, since I've learned from
your post that aspirin is an improvement and not just the trade name of
an end product.

brigid
Saffire - 10 Feb 2004 20:53 GMT
> I saw Anna Nicole Smith on Larry King last night.  She looked like she was
> drunk or on drugs of some kind.  She slurred her words and her eyes were
> dull.  She says she still takes 2 trimspa tablets a day, even though she
> looks great.  If trimspa is as powerful a stimulant as she says it is, I'll
> bet it gets banned.  However, she did not seem wired like on amphetamines to
> me.

Anna Nicole has a history of drug problems, so trimspa may or may not have
anything to do with her usual airhead demeanor.  I can't imagine why ANYONE would
choose HER as a role model.

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Rich K - 10 Feb 2004 21:44 GMT
Not to defend TrimSpa, but I dont think the TrimSpa is the issue.

She ALWAYS sounds like that.

> > I saw Anna Nicole Smith on Larry King last night.  She looked like she was
> > drunk or on drugs of some kind.  She slurred her words and her eyes were
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> Atkins since 6/14/03
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