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Pasta Fights Back Amid Low-Carb Trend

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Ken Kubos - 19 Feb 2004 13:23 GMT
Too bad for PASTA.... You see, "One impassioned speaker called for a swift
death to the Atkins Diet."  A third speaker recalled Sophia Loren's remark:
"Everything you see, I owe to pasta."

PASTA... YUK!!

Tom Rachman said, "Whatever the debate, no one can deny the low-carb diets'
success."

Pasta Fights Back Amid Low-Carb Trend
Wed Feb 18, 8:54 PM ET

By TOM RACHMAN, Associated Press Writer

ROME - At a recent point in dining history, pasta perception spun around
like spaghetti on a fork. Suddenly, noodles transformed from the diner's
saucy delight to carb villains bound for the hips, buttocks and belly.

America's battle against pudginess - inspired of late by the low-carb ethics
of the Atkins, Zone and South Beach diets - has trashed pasta. But defenders
of macaroni and its floppy kin rebelled in Rome this week at a conference
promoted as "Pasta Fights Back."

Their weapons at the three-day meeting that ended Wednesday were science,
lectures and delectable plates of pasta handed out free to attendees.
Another popular dish was denunciation of the latest American diet trend.

"How is it that it can be called a low-carb diet when in fact it is a
dangerous high-fat diet? How can that happen in our culture?" railed K. Dun
Gifford, president of the Oldways Preservation Trust, the Boston-based food
issues think tank that organized the event.

One impassioned speaker called for a swift death to the Atkins Diet. Another
skeptically cited 28 eating fads of recent years, among them the Caveman
Diet, the Sex Diet and the Russian Air Force Diet. A third speaker recalled
Sophia Loren's remark: "Everything you see, I owe to pasta."

The conference, officially titled "Healthy Pasta Meals," included numerous
eminent scientists and was sponsored by Italian government ministries, pasta
giant Barilla and the makers of Parmesan cheese, among others.

The executive chef of New York's Union Square Cafe, Michael Romano, flew in
to cook. Prepping vegetables at the luxury hotel where the conference was
held, Romano worried about the way Americans eat ... and eat.

"People want to eat from the time they get up till the time they go to
sleep. And by the way, no exercise, please," Romano said. "It's all about
proportion, it's all about balance."

The conference offered multi-course lunches - wetted with appropriate
Italian wines, of course - featuring pasta specialties from all over Italy.
A gala dinner, titled "The Glorious Healthy Pasta Meal," included spaghetti
with tomatoes and air-dried tuna, flaked Parmesan drizzled with balsamic
vinegar, lentil soup with scampi, and roast lamb with fava beans and egg
lemon sauce.

Oldways argues that eating must be balanced - not overloaded with fat and
protein, nor heavy with carbohydrates. The Mediterranean diet, including
fish, fruit, vegetables, breads, rice and pasta, is promoted above all.

Pasta, Oldways says, is an ideal delivery system for healthy ingredients:
The carbs in high-quality pasta made from durum wheat are converted slowly
into glucose, which has the benefit of more stable insulin levels, and keeps
the eater feeling full longer.

John Foreyt, a professor at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, noted
that Italians have enjoyed the health benefits of pasta for over 1,000
years.

"Pasta has been wrongly injected into the good carb/bad carb debate, and we
want to dispel the notion that it should be avoided," he said in the
conference's closing statement.

Conference organizers acknowledge that low-carb, high-fat diets do produce
short-term weight loss, but fear they could also increase the long-term risk
of grave illnesses such as cancers and heart disease.

Evidence of this is hotly debated in scientific circles. Research suggests
people have the best chance of avoiding heart disease, high blood pressure
and cancer if they eat a varied diet with plenty of fruits, vegetables and
grains.

Whatever the debate, no one can deny the low-carb diets' success.

Many dieters have enjoyed considerable weight loss through regimens that are
heavy in meat, cheese and eggs and ultralight in carbs. Millions of
Americans are on some form of these diets, and restaurants and food
manufacturers are scrambling to offer low-carb products.

And recent studies showed these diets have success over short periods
without serious health consequences.

Colette Heimowitz, the Atkins organization's research director, denied that
the Atkins Diet is risky or a fad. "It's amazing how Atkins is blamed for
everything," she said by phone from New York.

"If people could have moderation in everything that'd be wonderful,"
Heimowitz said. "We wouldn't have this discussion. But people won't, they
don't, they can't. They need other options to reach their weight goals."

At the Rome conference, a little mournfulness was stirred in with dietary
advice.

Cookbook writer Susan Herrmann Loomis expressed sadness about the U.S.
attitude toward eating.

"Americans come with this enormous fear of what is on their plates, and it
translates into fad diets," she said. "Unfortunately, that rarely has to do
with just enjoying the heck out of what you're doing."
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Crafting Mom - 19 Feb 2004 13:59 GMT
Ohhhh those poor pasta companies, gonna have to find something ELSE
to do with all that excess flour....

> Oldways argues that eating must be balanced - not overloaded with fat and
> protein, nor heavy with carbohydrates. The Mediterranean diet, including
> fish, fruit, vegetables, breads, rice and pasta, is promoted above all.

Nice how they leave out that in Greece, olive oil is practically a
beverage.

> Pasta, Oldways says, is an ideal delivery system for healthy ingredients:
> The carbs in high-quality pasta made from durum wheat are converted slowly
> into glucose, which has the benefit of more stable insulin levels, and
> keeps the eater feeling full longer.

Since when?  My husband used to watch me pile on plate after plate
after plate of pasta... He'd look incredulously at me as I would
heap my fourth plate and I said, "I am still hungry", and I *meant it*.

Give me a nice plate of fish, salad with *real* olive oil dressing
and THEN we'll see who is "feeling full longer".... I can have
actually ONE plate and feel *more full* and satisfied than my
4 heaping plates of pasta.

It is highly disappointing that the most popular low-carb diet
(Atkins) is commonly dubbed as "the bacon and eggs diet", because
it is truly about eliminating the addictive response to foods like
pasta, sugar, high starch foods.  Low-carbing has SAVED MY LIFE,
as I now no longer feel the need to engage in, let's face it, gluttony,
something that would torture me for years.
Cubit - 19 Feb 2004 15:49 GMT
> Since when?  My husband used to watch me pile on plate after plate
> after plate of pasta... He'd look incredulously at me as I would
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> actually ONE plate and feel *more full* and satisfied than my
> 4 heaping plates of pasta.

It seems to me that we have much evidence that the body does not produce
satiety just from filling the stomach.  I too remain hungry after platefuls
of rice or pasta.  Something else triggers satiety.  I'm not sure if it is
protein or fat, or something found in both proteins and fats.  The volume of
high fat food that makes me feel full is quite tiny compared to the volumes
of rice I used to eat.  The fatty food can't possibly be filling the
capacity of my stomach.  Yet, I will often feel stuffed from just 6 ounces
of cream cheese.

I wonder if bariatric surgery will be found to have been a tragic mistake.
Surgically making the stomach small may be pointless.

Cubit
308/274.5/165
Tony Lew - 20 Feb 2004 07:38 GMT
> > Since when?  My husband used to watch me pile on plate after plate
> > after plate of pasta... He'd look incredulously at me as I would
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> capacity of my stomach.  Yet, I will often feel stuffed from just 6 ounces
> of cream cheese.

If you want something REALLY filling, try eating some fatty beef ribs.

> I wonder if bariatric surgery will be found to have been a tragic mistake.
> Surgically making the stomach small may be pointless.
>
> Cubit
> 308/274.5/165
Jaime - 20 Feb 2004 10:39 GMT
>If you want something REALLY filling, try eating some fatty beef ribs.

Those are *awesome* eh?   I make mine with a little bbq sauce on them.

Ok...now I *am* hungry.  LOL!!
Cailleachschilde - 03 Mar 2004 09:40 GMT
>It seems to me that we have much evidence that the body does not produce
>satiety just from filling the stomach.  I too remain hungry after platefuls
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Cubit
>308/274.5/165

Last week I had a slice of bread with herbed butter before I ate the prime rib
and string beans.  I overate to the point of pain in my stomach, I never did
feel 'full.'  It was like the bread turned off my appestat.  What a lesson.

Yvonne
Cubit - 04 Mar 2004 19:54 GMT
An interesting observation, Yvonne.

I like the word: "appestat"

Cubit

> >It seems to me that we have much evidence that the body does not produce
> >satiety just from filling the stomach.  I too remain hungry after platefuls
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Yvonne
Jaime - 19 Feb 2004 15:54 GMT
I for one never knew that Pasta had that ability.......

It's Super-Pasta...able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.  LOL
Jean M. - 19 Feb 2004 16:29 GMT
>Conference organizers acknowledge that low-carb, high-fat diets do produce
>short-term weight loss, but fear they could also increase the long-term risk
>of grave illnesses such as cancers and heart disease.

Well, no. Conference organizers and especially the participants are
concerned about their loss of money.

Before "low-fat" mania hit, the standard advice for losing weight was
to cut back on starches. Duh.
PEPPER1960 - 19 Feb 2004 23:35 GMT
My problem was that eating starches always made tired and more hungry after
eating then I was before
Jaime - 19 Feb 2004 23:45 GMT
>My problem was that eating starches always made tired and more hungry after
>eating then I was before

Same with me and it still does if I indulge in them.
 
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