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curious - 27 Feb 2004 20:56 GMT
Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained their weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal) eating pattern with just controlling portions like most people out there who aren't overweight.

Becky P.
199/148/135
John - 27 Feb 2004 21:28 GMT
I have heard that one of te criticisms of the low carb diet is that after
awhile on the diet your body learns to treat carbs differently if you go
back to eating them.  This was brought up by a Dr. and it was definitely not
a positive comment.  I am not sure what he meant by that.  I don't know
anybody who has done what you said though.
> Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained their weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal) eating
pattern with just controlling portions like most people out there who aren't
overweight.

> Becky P.
> 199/148/135
Roger Zoul - 27 Feb 2004 21:45 GMT
::: Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained
::: their
:: weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal)
:: eating pattern with just controlling portions like most people out
:: there who aren't overweight.

Many people who got really fat will never be able to go back to a "normal"
(what you call normal) eating pattern....with just controlling portions with
high carb foods.  What do you imagine is the difference between them and
people who aren't overweight?

That's why we adopt a LC WOE as the new "normal" around here.  And to be
honest, this new "normal" is way better than that old "normal", whatever
that was.  For me, it included a very large amount of sugar.
Susan - 27 Feb 2004 21:57 GMT
>I have heard that one of te criticisms of the low carb diet is that after
>awhile on the diet your body learns to treat carbs differently if you go
>back to eating them.  This was brought up by a Dr. and it was definitely not
>a positive comment.  I am not sure what he meant by that.

Anyone who goes off a diet and returns to the way of eating that got them fat
in the first place gains weight back.

All diet plans have about a 95% failure rate.  Losing weight and keeping it off
is hard work.

Susan
curt - 01 Mar 2004 02:32 GMT
> I have heard that one of te criticisms of the low carb diet is that after
> awhile on the diet your body learns to treat carbs differently if you go
> back to eating them.  This was brought up by a Dr. and it was definitely not
> a positive comment.

This is not what I have read.  I have read it takes the body 24 to 48 hours
for the body to adjust to carbs again.  I think whoever stated the above is
greatly underestimating the body's ability to adjust.

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Jean M. - 27 Feb 2004 21:56 GMT
>Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained their weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal) eating pattern with just controlling portions like most people out there who aren't overweight.
>
>Becky P.
>199/148/135

I don't know anyone who is eating lc in real life, so I'm not much
help. I can say that it would not work for me. I can't eat just a bit
of bread, just a bit of potatoes, and just a bit of apple pie. The
carbs cause cravings and it's best for me to stay away from them.
April Goodwin-Smith - 27 Feb 2004 22:55 GMT
> Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not
> regained their weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal,
> (what I call  normal) eating pattern with just controlling
> portions like most people out there who aren't overweight.

OR

Anyone who has lost using the WW program, gone off it, and
then not regained their weight?

OR

Anyone who has lost using the low-fat program, gone off it,
and then not regained their weight?

OR

Anyone who has lost using the ancient grapefruit diet, gone
off it, and then not regained their weight?

OR

Anyone who has lost using rigourous exercize, gone off it, and
then not regained their weight?

OR

Anyone who has lost using the TOPS program, gone off it, and
then not regained their weight?

OR

Anyone who has lost using ANY program you can name, gone off
it, and then not regained their weight?

I suspect it would be only dead people.

April.
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Evelyn Ruut - 27 Feb 2004 23:25 GMT
> Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained their weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal) eating
pattern with just controlling portions like most people out there who aren't
overweight.

> Becky P.
> 199/148/135

Becky, I am 62 years old and over the last 20 years I have been on a lot of
different diets.

You name it, I tried it.   I have lost lots of weight on all of them.

Problem is that you will gain the weight back if you go off of ANY DIET no
matter what diet it is.   This is the great truth of all diets.

Too often we think a diet is a temporary thing.  We will lose the weight,
get thin and gorgeous and then we can relax........   WRONG!   The minute
you go off whatever regimen you were on, you will gain the weight back.

Would you like to know which diets worked for me?  Weight Watchers,
Medifast, The Egg Diet, the Cabbage soup diet, The grapefruit diet, Appetite
Control, Nutri-System, Calorie counting, Susan Powter, Richard Simmons ETC.
ETC.  yada yada yada for another hour.  You don't want to know, believe me.

The bottom line is I gained it all back afterwards and more.  I was even
once on the Stillman Diet which consisted of meat, fat, and water.  It was
an early precursor of a low carb diet.

I have heard the statistics are something like 90% of dieters will regain
the weight they lost.

Why?  Because they went off the diet.

If you go off of low carbing, you will gain the weight back too.   The
difference between low carbing and all the other diets is simple.
SATISFACTION.

You don't walk around with your belly gnawing all the time with a calculator
and a calorie counter in your handbag, wondering if you eat that half an
apple will it put you over your 1000 calories for the day.

You can have butter, cream, bacon, eggs, meats, cheese, lots of delicious
vegetables, and you aren't hungry all the time.   That is the main benefit,
you CAN make this your WOE (way of eating) for the rest of your life.

In your post above you say "normal portions like people who aren't
overweight eat."   I have a problem with that.   'Normal' for overweight
people is not like 'normal' for thin people.   I know thin people and what
they eat "normally" wouldn't fill up a hummingbird.   I know another thin
woman who eats ONE meal a day.  She can have anything she wants, but only at
that one meal.  No snacks, no breakfast, no lunch.   Yeah, she is thin.

So if your GOAL is to eat "normal" portions of everything, with nothing
restricted, I can tell you that it isn't going to work already.

You could try a diet like Weight Watchers which is going to allow you some
more carbs, but you can have only tiny amounts of everything else, and you
have to go out of your house in the morning with your entire day's supply of
food all calculated and counted and prepared in advance to perfection.

No restaurant lunches, no big juicy steaks, no eggs and bacon for breakfast,
no salad dressings other than a tablespoon of lemon juice or vinegar and the
tiniest hint of oil.   You want a cocktail?   Count those calories too.

Becky if you ask me, low carb diets have it ALL OVER the alternatives any
day of the week and it is a lot easier to stick with over the long term,
than the alternatives are.   All because of that one thing.  It is more
satisfying to live with in the long term.

That spells success to me.

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Bear - 28 Feb 2004 00:03 GMT
Hey Evelyn-
I couldn't agree more. Exactly what I was saying in my earlier post about
calorie counting.Who needs it. LoCarbing with Atkins (for me) is easy and
satisfying. What's to go off of?

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> > Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained their
> weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal) eating
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> That spells success to me.
Evelyn Ruut - 28 Feb 2004 12:34 GMT
> Hey Evelyn-
> I couldn't agree more. Exactly what I was saying in my earlier post about
> calorie counting.Who needs it. LoCarbing with Atkins (for me) is easy and
> satisfying. What's to go off of?

Hi Bear,

EXACTLY!   No way do I want to be eating melba toast and fat free yogurt in
miniscule quantities again!

I think I am going to make an omelet with a bit of onion and a little cheese
in it for breakfast.

Now that is the diet for me!

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Ignoramus29270 - 28 Feb 2004 02:38 GMT
Great post.

I was and am on a lowered carb, lots of vegs, plant fats type thing,
with controlled calories.

I lost 50 lbs and have been maintaining almost 6 months. I plan to
stay on this diet or some modifications thereof, forever. Just "going
off the diet" will not work for me.

i
223/173/180

>> Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained their
> weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal) eating
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>
> That spells success to me.
kc - 28 Feb 2004 02:51 GMT
> In your post above you say "normal portions like people who aren't
> overweight eat."   I have a problem with that.   'Normal' for overweight
> people is not like 'normal' for thin people.   I know thin people and what
> they eat "normally" wouldn't fill up a hummingbird.   I know another thin
> woman who eats ONE meal a day.  She can have anything she wants, but only at
> that one meal.  No snacks, no breakfast, no lunch.   Yeah, she is thin.

this is an absurd stereotype.  most of the thin people i know eat whatever
they want, and as much of it as they want.  they're thin because they have
different metabolisms, different brain chemistry, different genes...   there
are a lot of reasons people are fat or thin, and many of them have nothing
to do with how much they eat.

-kelly
JC Der Koenig - 28 Feb 2004 02:55 GMT
That is also an absurd stereotype. Most thin people think two crackers and a
soda are filling.

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> > In your post above you say "normal portions like people who aren't
> > overweight eat."   I have a problem with that.   'Normal' for overweight
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> -kelly
Evelyn Ruut - 28 Feb 2004 12:34 GMT
> > In your post above you say "normal portions like people who aren't
> > overweight eat."   I have a problem with that.   'Normal' for overweight
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>
> -kelly

Hi Kelly,

The thin people I know encompass both the stereotypes as well as the
anomalies.   As you mentioned, lots of factors influence weight, among them
are: activity level, metabolism, diet choices (as well as quantities),
genetics and probably a dozen other factors too numerous to mention.

Remember we are talking about "eating normally" ..(meaning eating what you
want).

"eating whatever you want," can also mean that you eat very little because
maybe you don't want a lot.   My friend who eats one meal a day is an
example.  I know I couldn't do it.   I'd like to eat "one meal a day"
too..... but if I had it my way, that one meal would last all day long!!!!!
LOL!

BTW, she is a real person and she really does eat one meal a day with
everything she wants included in it.   What I can't figure out is how she
isn't starving hungry the rest of the day!   She tells me that she sort of
enjoys feeling a tiny edge of hunger all the time.   She finds it
stimulating and that it raises her energy.   I don't.

Kelly, the only people I know who are MY age (62) and thin, eat very little,
and that is the truth.   I don't know anyone who is my age and eats huge
amounts, yet remains thin, but I have known quite a few younger people who
were able to do that.  In fact I was one of them.   It all ended when I
turned 40.

I have a friend who is my age, who runs several miles a day and has worked
out vigorously every day for years.   SHE still has to watch her food
intake!!!!!

When you are talking about eating "normally,"  that can mean eating like a
longshoreman when you have no or low activity level, which will get you back
to being fat in a hurry.

A fairy tale;

At the age of 40 the fat fairy (distant cousin of the tooth fairy) appeared
to me in a dream and she said "listen B----h,.... YOU are going to be fat
for the rest of your life!"

I told her "NO I am not, I am going to fight you tooth and nail"

Well I fought her with all those diets and she won each round.

Now I am fighting her off again with low carb, because I am a diabetic and I
want to be thin again and buy regular clothes again in my life.

Hope you are all rooting for me cause I am rooting for you too!

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carla - 28 Feb 2004 13:43 GMT
> The thin people I know encompass both the stereotypes as well as the
> anomalies.   As you mentioned, lots of factors influence weight, among them
> are: activity level, metabolism, diet choices (as well as quantities),
> genetics and probably a dozen other factors too numerous to mention.

This is a very nice post, Evelyn; you nailed several points very succinctly.

> Remember we are talking about "eating normally" ..(meaning eating what you
> want).
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> too..... but if I had it my way, that one meal would last all day long!!!!!
> LOL!

Right; the original poster did not define "normal."  Many naturally thin
people "normally" eat a whole lot less than I do when I am not on a diet.
Such people's brains make a connecction between food and hunger that mine
simply does not make.  Dieting for a year or however long is not going to
change the fact that I am an overeater.  I will have to be on some kind of
"plan" for the rest of my life if I want to lose weight and keep it off.

It sucks, but those are the cards I was dealt in life.  I remind myself I
have advantages in other areas.  :-)

> A fairy tale;
>
> At the age of 40 the fat fairy (distant cousin of the tooth fairy) appeared
> to me in a dream and she said "listen B----h,.... YOU are going to be fat
> for the rest of your life!"

I think that fairy's working overtime because she visited me too, and I'm
not 40 yet.  :-)

> Hope you are all rooting for me cause I am rooting for you too!

Good luck, Evelyn.

carla
Evelyn Ruut - 28 Feb 2004 13:55 GMT
> > The thin people I know encompass both the stereotypes as well as the
> > anomalies.   As you mentioned, lots of factors influence weight, among
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> carla

Hi Carla,

Thanks, and the same to you!

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jamie - 28 Feb 2004 20:08 GMT
> this is an absurd stereotype.  most of the thin people i know eat whatever
> they want, and as much of it as they want.  they're thin because they have
> different metabolisms, different brain chemistry, different genes...   there
> are a lot of reasons people are fat or thin, and many of them have nothing
> to do with how much they eat.

Many naturally thin people tend to somewhat overeat in social situations,
and either naturally or consciously undereat the next meal or next day.
A lot of overweight people assume that thin people overeat all the time,
because they see them do it socially.

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Evelyn Ruut - 28 Feb 2004 22:23 GMT
> > this is an absurd stereotype.  most of the thin people i know eat whatever
> > they want, and as much of it as they want.  they're thin because they have
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> A lot of overweight people assume that thin people overeat all the time,
> because they see them do it socially.

Good point Jamie.   I think that some people really do feel less hunger or
less of a compelling need to eat so often.   They might indulge in a big
meal once in a while at an event or something, but the next day they sort of
forget about food.   Not me, unfortunately...:-(
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Jenny - 29 Feb 2004 00:17 GMT
Evelyn,

I have to disagree. As comforting as it might be to think that all those
skinny people who stuff themselves are going foodless for days when we're
not watching, I've lived with a couple of them and can attest they eat their
heads off at home, too, and never gain a pound.  The only genetic thing I've
seen that they have in common is a Y chromosome.

It's one of life's great unfairnesses.  I used to eat lunch with a guy built
like Honest Abe who would drink a big glass of milk washed down with a
regular Pepsi along with whatever was the lunch special and two desserts.
Every day. He was getting fed well at home too. He's heading towards 50 now
and still thin.

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> > > this is an absurd stereotype.  most of the thin people i know eat
> whatever
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Evelyn Ruut - 29 Feb 2004 13:18 GMT
> Evelyn,
>
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> Every day. He was getting fed well at home too. He's heading towards 50 now
> and still thin.

Hi Jenny,

Metabolism has a lot to do with it, of course.   My husband is one of those
guys.   He eats quantities that would stagger you and he doesn't get really
fat.   He has on occasion gotten a little chubbier than he'd like to be, but
merely cutting out the candy and he lost weight!!!!!

Don't you just hate it when that happens?   (LOL)

I have to admit he is very active and runs around constantly doing this and
that, but he doesn't formally exercise at all.

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kc - 29 Feb 2004 00:20 GMT
> > this is an absurd stereotype.  most of the thin people i know eat whatever
> > they want, and as much of it as they want.  they're thin because they have
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> A lot of overweight people assume that thin people overeat all the time,
> because they see them do it socially.

um, ok...

so i guess all the thin roommates, boyfriends, and relatives i have had were
all fooling me!  :-)

-kelly
Jennifer R. - 28 Feb 2004 00:00 GMT
> Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained their weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal) eating
pattern with just controlling portions like most people out there who aren't
overweight.

> Becky P.
> 199/148/135

Me.  I haven't eaten low carb since September last year.  I still lurk here,
but I just eat a regular controlled-calorie diet now.  I've actually lost 3
more lbs since going off Atkins, just from continued exercise and eating low
calorie.

Jennifer
175/125
curious - 28 Feb 2004 07:14 GMT
Congratulations Jennifer...

Becky
kc - 28 Feb 2004 02:54 GMT
> Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained their weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal) eating
pattern with just controlling portions like most people out there who aren't
overweight.

depends.  did eating (what you call) normally get you to 199 pounds in the
first place?  if so, eating that way again will take you back there.

-kelly
curious - 28 Feb 2004 07:35 GMT
Normal to me is eating what others eat when you go to their house for dinner. In the country where I live (Poland), that would be a big pile of cabbage, a big pile of mashed potatoes, and a piece of meat.  It might include cake afterwards. I don't mind declining the cake...to me it isn't very good....not sweet and not moist. And NO the people here aren't mostly fat.  Hardly.

I also like to garden and plan on planting sweet corn this year. I'd like to think I can eat some. I also wish for orange juice which I've not drunk in months (I used to be from FL).  I also entertain a lot, due to our job (missionaries), and make a decent pizza...better than any of the pizza places around here except Pizza Hut.

You asked if "normal" is how I got to my "high" weight? I don't know. I didn't weigh on a scale for years....I know that I've had 5 children, which isn't "normal" in this day, and after each child it was harder to lose the weight, and after my 5th, (he's 6) I just didn't lose it at all.  Most people don't move to a foreign country, learn a language with an infant who is 2 months old, and live there. Most people's husbands don't finish an earned doctorate after marriage... I don't mind defying the odds.

Normal is where I was for years...before I gained that weight.  I didn't weigh, measure, and calculate daily then....is it not possible to ever be "normal" again?  I always dreaded being around older women who could only talk about their weight and illnesses....and I don't want to become one of them.

I've learned a lot doing this diet thing...about LC, calories, carbs and fats. I know my stomach has shrunk.. I'm hoping that my information will help me make informed and good choices after I reach my goal.  I'm not sure that I really want to stay LC all my life. I'm not diabetic and do not have a medical reason to continue to avoid almost all fruits and veggies like peas, sugar peas, corn, and potatoes, etc. Sugar...well, that's a danger in its own category!

I am aware of the dangers of venturing back "out there".  I hope to take a scientific attitude about continuing to learn, like Jenny has at her site. I enjoy her site tremendously.  

I guess we'll see when the time comes...until then...well, there's work to do...

Becky P.
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Luna - 28 Feb 2004 13:00 GMT
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> Normal to me is eating what others eat when you go to their house for dinner.
> In the country where I live (Poland), that would be a big pile of cabbage, a
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> still 13 lbs, from goal
> www.family.solidrockpl.org

What if you switched to a low-glycemic plan once you reach goal?  I'm only
vaguely familiar with the glycemic index, but I read an article in
Discovery Magazine about it, and it sounded totally livable.  I believe it
included things like some fruits and whole grain things.  Or, you could
consider staying on your current plan, but have a day off every week, if
that isn't too often to start cravings for you and send you back to your
old habits.  I don't know if you exercise at all now, with 5 kids it may be
tough to fit into your schedule, but if you can it could greatly help with
maintaining weight.  Especially if you do weight training, because
increasing muscle mass will make your body burn more calories even at rest,
since muscle takes more calories to maintain than fat does.

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curious - 28 Feb 2004 18:50 GMT
Good idea. Any exercise I do needs to be 1. low machine dependent and 2. cheap  3. be able to be done in my home or yard or on the sidewalk...like yard.

I did venture into this. Today I bought a jumprope and started with only 1 1/2 min. today.  After I can do about 5-6 min. I'll add some weights...It isn't much, but it's a start.

Good idea Michelle.  No, my time isn't always "my own".  I'll check into the weight training thing....I have a few small weights...like 1 and 2 lbers.  We can buy hand weights here..

I'll check into the glycemic thing. I've not learned too much about that aspect yet.

Becky P.
Roger Zoul - 28 Feb 2004 16:46 GMT
:: Normal to me is eating what others eat when you go to their house
:: for dinner. In the country where I live (Poland), that would be a
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:: and potatoes, etc. Sugar...well, that's a danger in its own
:: category!

I suggest you read Atkins for Life.  Going to the maintenance phase of a
plan like Atkins will allow you to eat those foods in moderation.  And keep
in mind that your body will convert things like peas, corn, and potatoes
into the same thing that sugar gets converted to.

You seem to have this slant that LC is just about losing weight or something
for diabetics.  It's not.  There are several authors (doctors, researcher)
that consider LC nutrition the appropriate nutrition for human kind.
Period.

:: I am aware of the dangers of venturing back "out there".  I hope to
:: take a scientific attitude about continuing to learn, like Jenny has
:: at her site. I enjoy her site tremendously.
::
:: I guess we'll see when the time comes...until then...well, there's
:: work to do...
curious - 28 Feb 2004 18:59 GMT
Roger said...
You seem to have this slant that LC is just about losing weight or something
for diabetics.  It's not.  There are several authors (doctors, researcher)
that consider LC nutrition the appropriate nutrition for human kind.
Period.

My response:
True.  I do have a hard time accepting it when I know peoples around the world live on "low meat" and "high carbs"...Asians on rice, Africans on mush and Poles and Russians on potatoes, etc....and they AREN'T fat.

I realize that LC works...that is such a blessing to me. BUT, I do not think that "normal" is avoiding all fruits and juices, and half of all commonly available veggies. Normal to me, is moderation...whether it be pizza, o.j. cream, steak or kielbasa.  LC eating feels very lopsided to me...esp. the very LC, (and frankly, I don't like the idea of buying what seems like some strange ingredients like protein powder, etc.)  While it has been successful for me, I can see too many very thin women around me who I know eat bread and butter 3 times a day with macaroni and a watery broth based soup for dinner in addition for me to believe that it is the "only way" people stay thin.

I know I have much to learn and I expect I will. I may weigh the rest of my life...daily, even, or at least weekly...just to keep myself accountable.  I guess we'll see.

I'll check into the glycemic index information.

Thanks for your comments.
Becky P.
A. Brown - 28 Feb 2004 21:48 GMT
> True.  I do have a hard time accepting it when I know peoples around
> the world live on "low meat" and "high carbs"...Asians on rice,
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> day with macaroni and a watery broth based soup for dinner in addition
> for me to believe that it is the "only way" people stay thin.

LC is certainly not "the only way" people stay thin. Everyone is
different. We all have different genetics, different metabolisms,
different exercise levels, different tastes. What works for one
person isn't going to work for everyone. Those thin women around
you who eat bread, butter, and macaroni all day may have a
completely different type of metabolism. Many thin people seem
to be able to eat pretty much anything they want without a problem.
But that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't have that type of
metabolism can eat that way, even if they diet enough to become
that thin.

What you are eating to lose weight is not going to be the same as
what you will eat to maintain your weight loss once you reach your
goal. You should not be "avoiding" all fruits and juices and half
of all veggies. But that doesn't mean that you can eat them without
limits, either. Once you reach your weight goal, you can start
adding them in and see what levels work for you. Nobody else can
determine what those levels will be.

Some people DO fare well on high carbs and low meat, but are they
genetically better suited to that kind of diet than you are?
What is their total calorie intake per day? Are they more active?

Low-fat diets with high carbs didn't work well for me, Low-carb
(or at least moderately low) did. That doesn't mean the reverse
isn't true for other people.

I have maintained my weight loss for nearly 2 years. I agree
whole-heartedly with "moderation", and I also avoid eating protein
powders and other manipulated processed foods, even if they are
low carb. I have no problem eating pizza, starchy vegetables,
fruits and juices and maintaining my weight - I just don't have
them often, or in large amounts. If I have a starchy vegetable
(potato, peas, corn), I try not to have more than 1/2 cup at
a meal. If I go to a steak restaurant and can't resist the baked
potato, I usually just eat half (or less, if it's really big).
I have pizza maybe once a month. I happen to love thin crust
pizza, so at least I get a little less bread per slice. I usually
have one or two servings of fruit per day. If it's something
really high on the glycemic index (bananas, etc.), I have a
smaller amount. For example, when I have bananas, I usually only
have half of one, or even 1/4 of one, sliced amd mixed with fresh
berries. I DON'T usually do fruit juices, because you can easily
drink an enormous number of calories that way. Very few people
would eat 3 or 4 oranges at a sitting, but it's very easy to
drink the juice of those same oranges. A friend of mine said
her doctor told her "not to drink her calories". Wise advice, if
you ask me. But sure, I do have orange or grapefruit juice
on occasion. But I keep my portions small - usually half a cup,
sometimes 6 oz. If I want a larger glass occasionally, it's not
a big deal, I just can't do that on a daily basis.

I really do find that by generally avoiding processed, refined
foods (including bread and pasta) on a day to day basis, and
eating "real" foods instead - it doesn't really make any difference
if I splurge a couple of times a week and have a sandwich on
"real" bread, a brownie, pizza, macaroni and cheese, or whatever
else I want. Overall, my way of eating has improved enough that
I'm able to stay at the same weight with very little effort.
If I eat very poorly for enough days in a short period of time,
I might gain a couple of pounds, but being more attentive to
what I eat for a week or so will take care of it.

It's my opinion that our bodies really just aren't "programmed"
to know what to do with foods that are "man-made" or overly
processed. Some people can eat them without problems, but for
others, their bodies just don't deal with them well. I find that
if I'm eating "real food" that comes from nature and is not
highly processed (sugar and flour particularly), I can eat
pretty much whatever I want. Starchy vegetables, whole grains,
and other complex carbohydrates are far less of a problem for me
than breads, pastas, sugars, etc. I avoid artificial sweeteners
and manipulated low-carb foods for much the same reason. Not
only are they not "natural", I believe that they keep your taste
for such foods high. I'd prefer to mostly avoid the "problem"
foods on a daily basis, but then have smaller and/or less
frequent amounts of the "real thing".

Obviously, I was much more cautious about what I ate when I was
losing weight than I am now that I've reached my goal, but your
original post WAS asking about what happens after you "go off"
the diet. I didn't "go off" the diet and return to my old ways
of eating, but I also don't eat the way I did when I was losing
weight.

These are my opinions and what worked for me. Others may very
well disagree, or have had very different experiences. We are
all different - you will have to find out for yourself what
works once you've reached your goal.

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JC Der Koenig - 28 Feb 2004 21:57 GMT
Some of us fare well on any diet, it just comes down to a matter of
preference.

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Someone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating
800-1000 calories/day.

In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain.

Lyle

> > True.  I do have a hard time accepting it when I know peoples around
> > the world live on "low meat" and "high carbs"...Asians on rice,
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> all different - you will have to find out for yourself what
> works once you've reached your goal.
curious - 29 Feb 2004 17:58 GMT
Thanks A. Brown. That was really actually a very encouraging report.  I appreciate the time you took in letting me know how you've done it.

Becky P.
curt - 29 Feb 2004 22:52 GMT
I have to question the answers I have read, although I have not read them
all.  Didn't see this thread for some reason.  Anyway, I feel you can go off
low carb and not gain.  I think you need to eat less than you used to, but I
am planning on going off what would be considered low carb.  I also plan on
not gaining.  I have days or weekends of carbs and I have not gained.  Here
is why I think I will not gain.  I am on an exercise program and feel that I
will do fine eating carbs.  Will I eat a pile of pasta every night?  No, but
I may do that now and again.

I hope to be a person that pulls it off.
Curt

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Started low carb May '03
211/184/185 . . 6'2"  15.78% BF
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

> Who has lost using a LC program, gone off it, and then not regained their weight? --IOW, just switching to a normal, (what I call  normal) eating
pattern with just controlling portions like most people out there who aren't
overweight.

> Becky P.
> 199/148/135
 
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