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Sseaott - 29 Feb 2004 00:09 GMT
OK I went to the store today browsing and most bacon is cured in sugar and
also has nitrite.  However I was able to find Smithfield Naturally hickory
smoked NO SUGAR ADDED bacon.  It is not cured with sugar but it is with
sodium nitrite.  The meat guy said all bacon has nitrite in it so he didn't
understand how I could find bacon with out it.  Is the bacon I bought
acceptable for induction on Atkins?  I will be having a few slices with my
eggs for breakfast.

Thanks.
JC Der Koenig - 29 Feb 2004 00:16 GMT
Bacon is low carb.

And it tastes good.

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Someone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating
800-1000 calories/day.

In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain.

Lyle

> OK I went to the store today browsing and most bacon is cured in sugar and
> also has nitrite.  However I was able to find Smithfield Naturally hickory
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>
> Thanks.
Sseaott - 29 Feb 2004 00:18 GMT
Actually there is no carbs in it at all, but the book says to stay away from
bacon that is cured in sugar or nitrite.

> Bacon is low carb.
>
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> >
> > Thanks.
JC Der Koenig - 29 Feb 2004 00:25 GMT
Bacon is low carb.  Eat it.

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Someone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating
800-1000 calories/day.

In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain.

Lyle

> Actually there is no carbs in it at all, but the book says to stay away from
> bacon that is cured in sugar or nitrite.
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> > > Thanks.
marengo - 29 Feb 2004 04:27 GMT
| Bacon is low carb.  Eat it.

JC, believe it or not I agree with you!

The nitrite threat is basically that if you were a mouse and ate the
equivalent of your weight in nitrites every day, you might have an inreased
risk for cancer after several years.

This is so far removed from the human experience of eating a few strips of
bacon with occassional meals that it's ludicrous IMHO.  AFAIK, not one
single death or case of cancer has been attibuted to eating bacon. You're
much more likely to die of obesity-related illnesses.

Bacon is low carb.  Eat it.
Peter
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JC Der Koenig - 29 Feb 2004 10:17 GMT
Back in the 80's, there was a study showing that apples could give you
cancer. I quit listening after that.

> | Bacon is low carb.  Eat it.
>
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> Peter
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Chrono-Z - 29 Feb 2004 00:49 GMT
The only reason it says to stay away from nirates is because some studies
link nitrates to cancer. But then again every week something new causes
cancer and prevents cancer ad infinum. Bacon tastes good and is low in
carbs. Eat it.

> OK I went to the store today browsing and most bacon is cured in sugar and
> also has nitrite.  However I was able to find Smithfield Naturally hickory
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>
> Thanks.
Sseaott - 29 Feb 2004 01:09 GMT
ok I didn't know that about the nitrites but your right, what doesnt cause
cancer lol.  Thanks for the help!

> The only reason it says to stay away from nirates is because some studies
> link nitrates to cancer. But then again every week something new causes
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> >
> > Thanks.
DigitalVinyl - 29 Feb 2004 02:15 GMT
>OK I went to the store today browsing and most bacon is cured in sugar and
>also has nitrite.  However I was able to find Smithfield Naturally hickory
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Thanks.

Searching for lowest-sugar products is just something you should
always do to make going low-carb easy over time. Atkins suggests
limiting cured products because of ntirates which may or may not be
linked to health concern. I didn't find overwhelming agreement on this
in literature around the net, so I'm not terribly worried. Even
sugar-cured bacon has almost no carbs.

FOr induction, if you enjoy bacon, find a bacon you enjoy. Induction
is the strictest levels and induction is an adjustment period. If
having tasty bacon helps you to adjust then have it. A few weeks of
bacon is not going to kill you. I found that my intake of bacon and
breakfast sausage decreased after the first 2-3 weeks. Once you start
having something often it becomes less special. As long as you keep
varying your foods over time you should be fine. If you were going to
have 3 strips of bacon every morning for ever, i'd say you might have
a problem. I personally don't understand how people can eat repetitive
food regimes like that. I also don't think they are healthy. I think
diversity matters.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
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Atkins since 1/12/2004
Sseaott - 29 Feb 2004 04:08 GMT
Well for breakfast however, there isn't much of a choice that you can have
from the acceptable foods list.  Eggs and bacon is pretty much it, unless
you want to eat chicken or beef for breakfast:)  Personally, I have no
issues eating eggs and bacon for breakfast.  Also, I plan on being on
induction for more then a few weeks:)

> >OK I went to the store today browsing and most bacon is cured in sugar and
> >also has nitrite.  However I was able to find Smithfield Naturally hickory
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> 350/326/200
> Atkins since 1/12/2004
Chrono-Z - 29 Feb 2004 04:15 GMT
Yea I know what you mean, you can only cook eggs so many ways.

> Well for breakfast however, there isn't much of a choice that you can have
> from the acceptable foods list.  Eggs and bacon is pretty much it, unless
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> > 350/326/200
> > Atkins since 1/12/2004
Luna - 29 Feb 2004 04:31 GMT
> Well for breakfast however, there isn't much of a choice that you can have
> from the acceptable foods list.  Eggs and bacon is pretty much it, unless
> you want to eat chicken or beef for breakfast:)  Personally, I have no
> issues eating eggs and bacon for breakfast.  Also, I plan on being on
> induction for more then a few weeks:)

Why can't you eat chicken or beef for breakfast?  Or a salad?  I enjoy
eating a salad with a few chunks of grilled chicken for breakfast, because
I have a hard time eating anything really heavy when I first get up.

My absolute favorite breakfast, however, is a few slices of smoked nova
salmon (lox) rolled up with a dab of cream cheese.  I used to eat lox and
cream cheese on a bagel, but it's just dandy without the bagel.

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Saffire - 29 Feb 2004 09:20 GMT
> Well for breakfast however, there isn't much of a choice that you can have
> from the acceptable foods list.  Eggs and bacon is pretty much it, unless
> you want to eat chicken or beef for breakfast:)  Personally, I have no

I eat whatever I want for breakfast.  Often that's leftovers from the night
before, such as lasagna, chicken, ribs, salad or whatever.  Maybe it's because I
worked nights for several years and I just got used to the idea of MEALS as
opposed to breakfast, lunch & dinner.  When I'm not working, I rarely eat
breakfast or lunch so much as I eat a brunch.  There's no reason at ALL that you
have to have "traditional" breakfast foods for breakfast.

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DigitalVinyl - 29 Feb 2004 15:04 GMT
>Well for breakfast however, there isn't much of a choice that you can have
>from the acceptable foods list.  Eggs and bacon is pretty much it, unless
>you want to eat chicken or beef for breakfast:)  Personally, I have no
>issues eating eggs and bacon for breakfast.  Also, I plan on being on
>induction for more then a few weeks:)

I like pork breakfast sausage better than bacon. My favorite/staple
breakfast was hash (roast beef or corned beef) + eggs. But it is
typically 20g/serving. Deviled eggs with crumbled bacon & tarragon is
another variation to cut boredom. I tried small 3 oz servings of
cantelope with breakfast but it prompted 2.5 lbs(water) gain in two
days so I backed off from that. I find myself skipping breakfast more
often again. I am gonna try to train myself to have something, even if
it is just a slice of LC toast, a single deviled egg. I think it is a
good preventive measure from being too hungry at lunchtime. (although
that hasn't been a problem yet--it sometimes was before Atkins).

I stayed at induction for 5 weeks before starting OWL. Not because I'm
ready for OWL(133 lbs to go at the time), but because I want to find
my CCLL now before my body might adjust. I can always return to
lower/induction levels if the loss rate was better. I wanted to
understand how my weight loss slowed as the carbs increased. I almost
finished my 30g week and total weekly weight loss is still going to be
3+ lbs. Weight loss is NOT slowing as I increase carbs--at least not
so far.

WEEK    1        -5.4 (20g induction)
WEEK    2        -3.6 (20g induction)
WEEK    3        -3.3 (20g induction)
WEEK    4        -2.8 (20g induction)
WEEK    5        -3.4 (20g induction)
WEEK    6        -3.7 (25g OWL)
WEEK    7        -3.0 (30g OWL, only 6 out of 7 days so far)

I must state that I'm not strictly in the 5g range of limit. I've had
two over-days and four under-days.

25g week = 20.6, +31.0, 13.5-, 21.5, 22.1, 20.1, +28.5
30g week = 22.4-, 30.0, 22.0-, 28.4, 28.1, 23.6-, today

Only a longer period of staying at these levels will prove out my real
numbers. I am starting to see one pattern. The first 4-5 days of each
increase I had almost no weight loss or slight (<1 lb) weight gain,
before weight loss resumed towards the end of the week. For this
reason I have decided to stay at 30g a second week and only go up 5g
every other week so I can better see weight loss patterns.

This morning I had sausage & eggs,with 1/2 tbsp of real ketchup and
dry (I always ate it dry) rye toast. An almost perfect breakfast,
something I would have eaten when not dieting at all. I only missed a
little orange juice. One day...

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/326/200
Atkins since 1/12/2004
Roger Zoul - 29 Feb 2004 20:33 GMT
:: Well for breakfast however, there isn't much of a choice that you
:: can have from the acceptable foods list.  Eggs and bacon is pretty
:: much it, unless you want to eat chicken or beef for breakfast:)

A lot of people report getting tired of the same stuff.  That is a reason to
consider eating something other than typical breakfast foods.

There is the lovely mexican quickie pie using beef...great breakfast fare,
if you ask me.

:: Personally, I have no issues eating eggs and bacon for breakfast.
:: Also, I plan on being on induction for more then a few weeks:)
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::: 350/326/200
::: Atkins since 1/12/2004
curt - 29 Feb 2004 05:16 GMT
I eat nitrate free bacon now and again, if it is on sale.  I just got some
Wellington Farms pepper cured bacon that is outstanding and nitrate free.  I
also eat bacon cured with nitrates sometimes.  I just can't afford nitrate
free bacon all the time.  Making my own sausage is nitrate free and really
good.

Curt
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> OK I went to the store today browsing and most bacon is cured in sugar and
> also has nitrite.  However I was able to find Smithfield Naturally hickory
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>
> Thanks.
2-Fat - 29 Feb 2004 12:27 GMT
You would have to go to a health food market that sells meats to find it.

> OK I went to the store today browsing and most bacon is cured in sugar and
> also has nitrite.  However I was able to find Smithfield Naturally hickory
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Thanks.
Bryan - 01 Mar 2004 05:58 GMT
"Sseaott" <SseaottAThotmailDOTcom> wrote in message...

> OK I went to the store today browsing and most bacon is cured in sugar and
> also has nitrite.  However I was able to find Smithfield Naturally hickory
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> acceptable for induction on Atkins?  I will be having a few slices with my
> eggs for breakfast.

People knock nitrates without knowing what they're talking about.  Nitrates
aren't the problem.  The problem is that when you introduce high levels of
heat to nitrates (like cooking your bacon crispy), they turn into
nitrosamines.  Nitrosamines are the problem, not nitrates.  Try eating "raw"
"Canadian bacon".  Same bacon flavour, no nitrosamines....

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marengo - 01 Mar 2004 06:08 GMT
| People knock nitrates without knowing what they're talking about.
| Nitrates aren't the problem.  The problem is that when you introduce high
| levels of heat to nitrates (like cooking your bacon crispy), they turn
| into nitrosamines.  Nitrosamines are the problem, not nitrates.  Try
| eating "raw" "Canadian bacon".  Same bacon flavour, no nitrosamines....

Thanks for the concern, but I for one will continue to fry my bacon.  With
the millions and millions of pounds of bacon that have been consumed in the
U.S. alone,  I've not heard of one single case of anyone who has gotten
cancer or died from eating bacon, fried or otherwise.  It's an old sophistry
story along the lines of saccharine, which I also enjoy.
Bacon:  Yum!
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