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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Can a diabetic lose weight on this diet?
I have read a few articles on this controversial diet, but all seem to be a little vague about diabetic weight loss. I mentioned the Atkins diet to my doctor and he just about fell off his chair(he's old school). I was told that the pills I take, Metformin and Glyburide, would not let the diet work for me and he was very concerned about taking me off them. Can anyone fill me in as to what I can do? John, Lots of people with diabetes lose lots of weight with a low carb diet. The only problem you will have could be with glyburide. It forces your pancreas to produce insulin. When you cut your carbs, the sugar in your blood goes W-A-Y down which could cause you to have a hypo. You should probably stop taking it if you are about to start a serious low carb diet because of that problem. If your doctor wasn't old fashioned and out of touch with current research, he would have told you that. Try posting your question on alt.support.diabetes. You will find many people there who have not only lost weight but gotten off the drugs and brought their hba1cs into the 5% range. I'm one of them. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > I have read a few articles on this controversial diet, but all seem to > be a little vague about diabetic weight loss. I mentioned the Atkins > diet to my doctor and he just about fell off his chair(he's old school). > I was told that the pills I take, Metformin and Glyburide, would not let > the diet work for me and he was very concerned about taking me off them. > Can anyone fill me in as to what I can do? > I have read a few articles on this controversial diet, but all seem to > be a little vague about diabetic weight loss. I mentioned the Atkins > diet to my doctor and he just about fell off his chair(he's old school). > I was told that the pills I take, Metformin and Glyburide, would not let > the diet work for me and he was very concerned about taking me off them. > Can anyone fill me in as to what I can do? My figures below indicate how low-carbing paid off for me. I am able, thank goodness, to control my blood sugars to the point where I do it with diet and exercise alone. I got all of the knowledge that allowed me to do this by starting off on this newsgroup!! Thanks to all who participated and helped! ASDLC is truly a valuable newsgroup! Irv  Signature-------------------------------------- Diagnosed Type II Diabetes March 5 2001 Beating it with diet and exercise! 297/215/210 (to be revised lower) 58"/43"(!)/44" (already lower too!) -------------------------------------- Visit my HomePage at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv/ Visit my very special website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv4/ Visit my CFSRS/CFIOG ONLINE OLDTIMERS website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv5/ -------------------- Irv Finkleman, Grampa/Ex-Navy/Old Fart/Ham Radio VE6BP Calgary, Alberta, Canada Sure, my wife has lost 15 pounds in 4 weeks and isnt taking metformin anymore. She feels great. > I have read a few articles on this controversial diet, but all seem to > be a little vague about diabetic weight loss. I mentioned the Atkins > diet to my doctor and he just about fell off his chair(he's old school). > I was told that the pills I take, Metformin and Glyburide, would not let > the diet work for me and he was very concerned about taking me off them. > Can anyone fill me in as to what I can do? | I have read a few articles on this controversial diet, but all seem to | be a little vague about diabetic weight loss. I mentioned the Atkins | diet to my doctor and he just about fell off his chair(he's old school). | I was told that the pills I take, Metformin and Glyburide, would not let | the diet work for me and he was very concerned about taking me off them. | Can anyone fill me in as to what I can do? I was dianosed T2 diabetic on 12/15/03, have lost 37 pounds since then with controlled-carb eating, and my my blood glucose has stayed in the normal range with no medications. SignaturePeter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo > | I have read a few articles on this controversial diet, but all seem to > | be a little vague about diabetic weight loss. I mentioned the Atkins > | diet to my doctor and he just about fell off his chair(he's old school). > | I was told that the pills I take, Metformin and Glyburide, would not let > | the diet work for me and he was very concerned about taking me off them. > | Can anyone fill me in as to what I can do? Refer your doctor to the Low-Carb Research web page at: http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp Lots of info from real medical research there. Stan :: I have read a few articles on this controversial diet, but all seem :: to be a little vague about diabetic weight loss. I mentioned the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: concerned about taking me off them. Can anyone fill me in as to what :: I can do? I don't know about those meds, but I'm a type 2 who was on meds before going low carb. I've lost 122 lbs and am no longer on meds... Too bad you see this "diet" as controversial...I don't think it is at all...once you learn what it's all about. Oh, my doctor is all happy for me and tells me I should write a book...I'm the best of all of her diabetic patients (according to her, that is)... Methinks you ought to find a new doctor. > Methinks you ought to find a new doctor. I'm with Roger, you need a new doctor! I'm a type 2 and have lost 52 lbs since August and my sugars have never been more stable. I've cut back on my meds and over time hope to do so even more. My hemoglobin A1C was 8.9 in July, and is now 4.9. Needless to say my doctor is now a believer. Priscilla 333/281/175ish 8/27/03 > Priscilla > 333/281/175ish > 8/27/03 Hi, Priscilla! Priscilla here. ;-) I noticed your name up top is "Prill." I've never seen that before. When I was a little kid, my family called me "Prilla." Have you ever run into that? Any other Priscillas here? It's not that common a name. Priscilla I noticed your name up top is "Prill." I've never seen that before. > When I was a little kid, my family called me "Prilla." Have you ever > run into that? > > Any other Priscillas here? It's not that common a name. > > Priscilla Hi! I've not run into Prilla, but I have been called Priskie! (and other assorted names!) Priscilla > I noticed your name up top is "Prill." I've never seen that before. > > When I was a little kid, my family called me "Prilla." Have you ever [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Hi! I've not run into Prilla, but I have been called Priskie! (and other > assorted names!) Priskie, eh? LOL I've escaped that one. There is one fellow who is allowed to call me "Prissy." He's an older Italian gentleman with whom I shared an office when I first started working at the university where I've been now for 23 years. He retired many years ago, so there's currently no-one in my life who may call me that without making sure their health insurance is paid up! When my niece was born, I decided I'd be "Aunt Scilly" for her, but now she's started to write, she's spelling it "Silly" and doesn't understand when I tell her it's spelled differently. That's what I get for reciting "Scilly's my name and silly's my game" one time too often. ;-) Priscilla > allowed to call me "Prissy." He's an older Italian gentleman with whom I have been known to threaten serious bodily harm for calling me Prissy... besides, it doesn't even come close to my true essence! Priscilla Prill <pbragg@frontiernet.net> quoth: >> allowed to call me "Prissy." He's an older Italian gentleman with whom >I have been known to threaten serious bodily harm for calling me Prissy... >besides, it doesn't even come close to my true essence! Ditto here. Also always makes me think of Butterfly McQueen, "But I don't know nothing 'bout birthing babies, Mizz Scarlett!" Priscilla >I have read a few articles on this controversial diet, but all seem to >be a little vague about diabetic weight loss. I mentioned the Atkins >diet to my doctor and he just about fell off his chair(he's old school). >I was told that the pills I take, Metformin and Glyburide, would not let >the diet work for me and he was very concerned about taking me off them. >Can anyone fill me in as to what I can do? First of all, it's only 'controversial' if you can't read & understand real science. Second, you need to get a copy of Dr. Richard K. Bernstein's Book called the Diabetes Solution. Read it carefully from cover to cover. Third, you need to fire your doctor for incompetence and find one that doesn't need a glass belly-button insert to see out for navigation. Glyburide (and other Sulfonylurea drugs) will burn out your pancreas and eventually make you insulin dependent. It is prescribed by doctors who get all of their drug information from pharmaceutical salesmen (or TV commercials). Here's some info from a website that actually *advocates* use of Sulfonylureas: **************** What are possible side effects of sulfonylureas? * hypoglycemia; * an upset stomach; * a skin rash or itching; * weight gain. ~ Adapted from NIH Publication No. 02-4222 **************** Note that last item: weight gain. That should be clue #1! It makes hyperinsulinemia WORSE! Howard@FreshCoffee.biz http://freshcoffee.opportunity.com http://freshjava.opportunity.com >I was told that the pills I take, Metformin and Glyburide, would not let >the diet work for me and he was very concerned about taking me off them. Glyburide can cause you to go too low so you need to be very careful if you try to low carb while taking it. Make sure you use your meter and test often especially in the first few weeks to see how it effects you. I too am diabetic and low carb is great as long as your meds don't push you too low without the carbs. Many diabetics find they can lower their meds or avoid them entirely if they low carb but there again you need to test often. It's better if your doctor is more receptive. Mine loves me eating low carb. > Many diabetics find they can lower their meds or avoid them entirely if >they low carb but there again you need to test often. It's better if your >doctor is more receptive. Mine loves me eating low carb. I can't imagine why any doctor would prefer having their patients on drugs to control blood sugar, over naturally controlling it through one's diet. It would be the next (and last) question I'd ask my Doctor. The GOOD news is that many new doctors aren't as stuck in the mud. I have a good friend who is just finishing up his residency, and is quite enlightened on the subject. As are many of his fellow interns. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/226/140 & hubby- 310/248/180 I can't imagine why any doctor would prefer having their patients on drugs to control blood sugar, over naturally controlling it through one's diet. It would be the next (and last) question I'd ask my Doctor. The GOOD news is that many new doctors aren't as stuck in the mud. I have a good friend who is just finishing up his residency, and is quite enlightened on the subject. As are many of his fellow interns. ------------------------------ My Dr. has only been in practice for 3 yrs. himself and he is very updated in his way of thinking also. He is the one who told me about Atkins and is behind me 100%. I consider myself pretty lucky for that. His nurse told me "You wouldn't believe how many of our patients that have been able to get off of their meds or controlled their sugar with this diet". I just looked at her and smiled.... Best Wishes; Marty >>Many diabetics find they can lower their meds or avoid them entirely if >>they low carb but there again you need to test often. It's better if your [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Me- 265/226/140 > & hubby- 310/248/180 My doctor is now a true believer. She is even recommending the diet to her patients. I "was" a diabetic. (I know...I still am). Yet after losing 70 lbs on the diet I also have my sugar in control, I no longer take any meds for cholesterol, triglycerides or diabetes. They are all under control and the only change is due to Atkins. I am off the meds at my doctor's direction and am regularly checked to assure no unusual changes. > I "was" a diabetic. (I know...I still am). It's interesting how both can be true because "cured" has two distinct definitions. 1) You no longer have any symptoms and you no longer take any medication. By this definition very many low carbers end up "cured" of diabetes if they start low carbing soon enough after diagnosis. If you take a poison and it makes you sick, then you stop taking that poison and get better, most folks think you're cured. T2 diabetes is caused by long term carb poisoning. Reduce the intake of poison, be cured. Of course the day you decide to start eating poison again you aren't cured any more and that's way most insist on calling it "controlled" rather than "cured". Some have too much damage to be able to acheive the above type of cure, but at least they move in the direction of better health. 2) All previous damage is reversed. By this definition basically no one is ever cured of diabetes except with pancreas donor cells. Interesting point in that definition: What about scar tissue? A super-duper hard-core definition would ask for no scar tissue, but no one ever seems to go that far. "John" asked: > I have read a few articles on this controversial diet, but all seem to > be a little vague about diabetic weight loss. I mentioned the Atkins > diet to my doctor and he just about fell off his chair(he's old school). > I was told that the pills I take, Metformin and Glyburide, would not let > the diet work for me and he was very concerned about taking me off them. > Can anyone fill me in as to what I can do? I'm type 2 diabetic (12 years) and have lost weight on a low carb diet. The hospital in my area taught me about carb counting several years ago and it helped me get off some of my medications. I was taking Avandia, metformin, glucotrol, regular insulin (sliding scale) and NPH insulin. Still had some problems losing the weight that I gained from the ridiculous "exchange" diet so I went on Atkins last year with my doctors help and approval. Really had to monitor my glucose readings and checked 5 times a day. My doctor helped me reduce my meds to metformin and ONE shot of Lantus insulin (24 hour coverage). I feel great, went from a size 22 to a 12 and no longer feel like a pincushion. My HgA1c went form 12.5 down to a 6.1. I am on maintenance now and eat pretty much what I want BUT I still count my carbs and when my sugar starts to go up or I gain a couple pounds, I'm back on Atkins to control. BTW, I have NO complications from diabetes and have a low cholesterol reading even eating a bit of cheesecake and having cream in my coffee:) > I'm type 2 diabetic (12 years) and have lost weight on a low carb diet. The > hospital in my area taught me about carb counting several years ago and it [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > BTW, I have NO complications from diabetes and have a low cholesterol > reading even eating a bit of cheesecake and having cream in my coffee:) I'm also T2, was diagnosed five years ago. At the time, the low-carb diet thing was just getting attention. My doctor told me that some of her diabetic patients had had really good luck controlling their blood sugar using low-carbing, but that she was sending me to the dietician anyway to get as much information about nutrition as possible. The dietician was your typical "11 servings of bread/grain a day" USDA food pyramid advocate. She put me on a 1100-calorie-per-day diabetic exchange diet, which I tried my best to follow to the letter. It didn't do jack -- even though I was taking 800 mg of Metfornin a day, my blood glucose was still running around 170-180, and I was cranky, tired and hungry all the time. Finally I decided to ignore the dietician's recommendations and check out a low-carb diet, sort of a modified Atkins where I didn't try to put myself in ketosis. My doctor told me that since I have PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome) too, it was worth trying, and if my blood tests didn't show any improvement after that, we'd figure something else out. As it turned out, I lost ten pounds (in addition to the weight I'd lost which alerted me to my condition), had much more energy, and my blood sugar was easier to get under control. In addition to low-carbing, I started just eating when I felt hungry instead of along with the schedule of the regimented "exchange" diet. It worked really well. Later on, I slacked off the low-carb diet, and I haven't gained the weight back nor did I have much of a setback in terms of glucose, but recently, my glucose levels have started going up, which worries me, and to make matters worse, I'm now unemployed and without health insurance to pay for the Metfornin. So I've been low-carbing again, albeit with more of an eye toward cholesterol since the first time I tried it, my cholesterol counts went up. Bacon, as it turns out, is not something I should probably be eating every couple of days, but I was young and foolish then ;) I don't know if low-carbing works for everyone; it seems likely to me that different people have differing needs, but as a diabetic and also someone with PCOS, it's done me more good than ill. Congratulations! The biggest part of losing and keeping the weight off is knowing yourself. It appears as thought many diabetics are successful at low carbing to not only weigh less but control their diabetes. I still believe that we are all different and need to do what works for us. I have to laugh when I read some of the posts that say basically "this is what I do so it will work for you". Nothing is further from the truth. We can only tell others what our personal experience has been and try to help provide another path to explore for them. > > I'm type 2 diabetic (12 years) and have lost weight on a low carb diet. The > > hospital in my area taught me about carb counting several years ago and it [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > that different people have differing needs, but as a diabetic and also > someone with PCOS, it's done me more good than ill. |
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