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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Staying just a bit hungry......
Hey everyone Well, eating just enough to get rid of hunger pangs, but staying on the edge and learning to enjoy the hunger a bit is my new thing. As much as I love to eat and drink, it has been good for me to retrain my mind and body and knowing that having that hunger edge throughout the day will not kill me. I find that it actually makes me more alert, curious, and active. It took a couple weeks to get used to it, and now I'm getting to enjoy it. And no, I'm not starving myself, I still have nice meals, but smaller one, and if I eat slowly enough I know when I am no longer hungry and I stop. My life is quite secure. At any moment I could buy some food, I will probably never have to go hungry against my own will. But I think that we obsess over food so much sometimes because we feel we are going to starve to death if we don't eat every waking moment, or feel full all the time. It's retraining that mentality that I'm working on. I also don't snack any more. I was a constant forager before, but I have taught myself to seclude eating from all other activities (except talking with friends or listening to music). No more eating with the TV on or at the computer. OK, I will read something sometimes, but mainly I sit quietly and concentrate on what's going into me. But back to the first paragraph: Anyone else out there enjoy the "edge" that a slight hunger gives you throughought the day? I don't know if this is common sense for others. for me, it is a revelation of sorts. And my weight is going down again, a couple of pounds a week. Tom 240/204/190 I'm having the same issue. The best ways i've found to combat it is drink a glass of water and do something that requires a fair amount of concentration. > Hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Tom > 240/204/190 Yes.  SignatureSomeone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating 800-1000 calories/day. In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain. Lyle > Hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Tom > 240/204/190 I'm also trying hold my own with the hunger. We all need to realize just what you said, We're not going to starve to death if we don't eat all day. Good luck to us all. Brian > Hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Tom > 240/204/190 :: Hey everyone :: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] :: of sorts. And my weight is going down again, a couple of pounds a :: week. Yes....I've been doing the "staying on the edge of hunger" all through Feb and I quite enjoy it. Only thing is -- I don't like to lift weights while really hungry. So I have a small meal before hitting the gym. "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message > Yes....I've been doing the "staying on the edge of hunger" all through Feb > and I quite enjoy it. Only thing is -- I don't like to lift weights while > really hungry. So I have a small meal before hitting the gym. I know what you mean. I try to plan my workouts to happen when I am not hungry, but so by the time I finish the workout that I am hungry. Then I eat a nice meal when I am finished. Much more satsifying! I also find I eat slower when I am truly hungry. I can't eat fast then, or I would get sick. Tom I don't stay hungry, but I find I'll get a knawing in the mid afternoon or evening. The smallest thing will make it disappear for a few hours. A single deviled egg or 1 oz of nuts will actually make it go away. I'm amazed when it happens. Atkins suggested "a few nuts" as a snack and I laughed at how ludicrous it sounded. But its true, it is enough to curb hunger. I could continue eating during those "snacks" as I'm not full, but I've got myself to realize how little I have to take in to calm my appetite. One big diff... I haven't suffered a bottomless pit hunger since the first week of induction. You know, where no matter what you eat it wasn't what you wanted and want to try and eat something else, then something else. No doubt in my mind those were carb-fueled cravings that were out of control. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/326/200 Atkins since 1/12/2004 > Hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Tom > 240/204/190 I'm struggling with that myself. I'm trying to find the balance between not always needing to be full, but also not letting myself get so hungry that it interferes with my judgment. I have finally gotten used to falling asleep without a full stomach, you know, without eating after dinner, and that was pretty challenging. The first couple of nights I lay there thinking about food, then I'd get up and read some, almost fall asleep, start thinking about food, repeat. I finally replaced eating right before bed with drinking a glass of water instead. Which means I do get up halfway through the night to pee, but that's better than eating and better than not being able to get to sleep. Now I just need to conquer my daytime snacking. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message news:<lunachick- > I'm struggling with that myself. I'm trying to find the balance between > not always needing to be full, but also not letting myself get so hungry [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > than not being able to get to sleep. Now I just need to conquer my daytime > snacking. Yeah, I know all about night eating. It was really hard to stop that. I still have quite late dinners, usually about 8 pm or so, and then I try to stay awake a couple hours after that so I can digest a bit. But I find now that I can go to sleep even slightly hungry,and still sleep throughout the night. Then in the morning I'm not hungry anymore, and I can go til about 9 before I have breakfast, at which point I am quite hungry. Sometimes I just hold off till 11 or so, and have brunch. My problem is that I am not hungry at all. I get up in the morning with my cup of coffee and a hardboiled egg (6AM). By 2PM I may realize that I missed lunch but am still not hungry. I find I end up doing 'just one more' task at work and then the weakness comes rushing in. By then, it's almost 3PM. It was happening so frequently that I have had to set reminders on my calendar so I can get up and eat a little something around noon! J Costello 243/219/160 > Hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Tom > 240/204/190 :: My problem is that I am not hungry at all. I get up in the morning :: with my cup of coffee and a hardboiled egg (6AM). See....I've be in deep hunger by 10 am.... :: By 2PM I may :: realize that I missed lunch but am still not hungry. Are you male or female? I find I end :: up doing 'just one more' task at work and then the weakness comes :: rushing in. By then, it's almost 3PM. It was happening so :: frequently that I have had to set reminders on my calendar so I can :: get up and eat a little something around noon! Interesting. ARe you type 2? :: J Costello :: 243/219/160 [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] ::: Tom ::: 240/204/190 > :: My problem is that I am not hungry at all. I get up in the morning > :: with my cup of coffee and a hardboiled egg (6AM). > > See....I've be in deep hunger by 10 am.... So would I. SignatureEvelyn (To reply to me personally, remove sox) > :: My problem is that I am not hungry at all. I get up in the morning > :: with my cup of coffee and a hardboiled egg (6AM). [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Are you male or female? > Interesting. ARe you type 2? Roger, I am female and have not been diagnosed with any diabetes. It doesn't bother me really until the weakness hits - which I realize comes from not fueling my system. According to Fitday, I am averaging 1500 cals a day. J Costello 243/219/160 5'11" Female/40yo > ::: Hey everyone > ::: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > ::: Tom > ::: 240/204/190 >My problem is that I am not hungry at all. I get up in the morning with my >cup of coffee and a hardboiled egg (6AM). By 2PM I may realize that I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >J Costello >243/219/160 I'm like that too. When I'm busy working (mental challenge that is involving) I will forget to eat all the time. I typically don't get hungry in the morning. If I'm busy, I won't think of lunch till 3-3:30. WHich throws things off. I try to have something small and wait for dinner, but if the project continues dinner may drift too. The other day I was engrossed all day and I ate lunch at 3:00 and "dinner" at 10:00, no breakfast and no snacks. I had only 927 calories that day. I've always been like that. I can remember being like that at 18. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/326/200 Atkins since 1/12/2004 DiGiTAL_ViNYL wrote: I'm like that too. When I'm busy working (mental challenge that is involving) I will forget to eat all the time. I typically don't get hungry in the morning. If I'm busy, I won't think of lunch till 3-3:30. WHich throws things off. I try to have something small and wait for dinner, but if the project continues dinner may drift too. The other day I was engrossed all day and I ate lunch at 3:00 and "dinner" at 10:00, no breakfast and no snacks. I had only 927 calories that day. I've always been like that. I can remember being like that at 18. ----------------------------------- I too am like that. I never did eat breakfast. (even back in the stone age when I was in school) I have to remind myself to eat sometimes too. If I haven't eaten by 2 PM I force myself to eat at least something. If family and friends are around me about that time sometimes have to remind me. But not always, it depends a lot on the circumstances. Supper is my big meal of the day, always has been, probably always will be. I have accepted that and moved on..... Best Wishes; Marty > My problem is that I am not hungry at all. I get up in the morning with my > cup of coffee and a hardboiled egg (6AM). By 2PM I may realize that I > missed lunch but am still not hungry. I find I end up doing 'just one more' > task at work and then the weakness comes rushing in. By then, it's almost > 3PM. It was happening so frequently that I have had to set reminders on my > calendar so I can get up and eat a little something around noon! Yeah - me too!!! Since starting LC, my appetite has really shrunk. It's really bizarre but since starting LC I only eat minimeals. I find myself eating much, much smaller portions than I used to. Generally I have two to three minimeals and one regular meal. The minimeals are very small, concentrated protein things, like bits of meat or hardboiled eggs, for lunch I might have a green salad with some kind of meat and cheese thrown in. However I always feel slow/lethargic after eating "normal size" meals, so if I need to keep going I just graze on small amounts of food as needed (meat, nuts, a devilled egg here and there). I'm finding this very functional for me. I was very energetic today - I did an hour and twenty minutes on the treadmill w/o realizing it!! - first time in days, I wrote to you guys complaining of being fatigued - and pretty much my whole diet today was protein in small amounts at a time (I think I subsisted off of beef jerky and devilled eggs today...) I'm starting to enjoy the feeling that I can just have a bit of food with me in my bag, and not have to actually stop anywhere and take lots of time out. A spoon full of peanut butter will keep me going for hours. I can keep going and not have to stop what I'm doing to eat a large meal. Having to sit through a meal always drove me crazy. I'm not fond of sitting and eating, I only enjoy it if I'm in a nice restaurant. Since losing a lot of my appetite for large meals on LC, I can nibble while I'm waiting at the bus stop for example. Dinner is my only normal size "meal" when I make dinner and sit down and eat with my DH, and even so I find myself eating a smaller amount than is standard. I can tell the difference between hunger and low blood sugar, frankly... on a normal carb diet, I get hypos on a full stomach. I can feel like I'm bursting and still have hypos. > My problem is that I am not hungry at all. I get up in the morning with my > cup of coffee and a hardboiled egg (6AM). By 2PM I may realize that I > missed lunch but am still not hungry. I find I end up doing 'just one more' > task at work and then the weakness comes rushing in. By then, it's almost > 3PM. It was happening so frequently that I have had to set reminders on my > calendar so I can get up and eat a little something around noon! Something I thought of - maybe the appetite shift we're experiencing is toward what humans normally are supposed to experience, because we're eating the way that early humans ate. Perhaps, that we constantly need to eat is a function of the carbohydrates and processed foods that modern man consumes. Our ancestors could only get meat, nuts, fresh veggies, and fruits. And they had to expend a great deal of energy just in finding food. They certainly didn't eat as much as we do. I remember hearing about a study where laboratory rats fed at subsistence levels, actually live longer... I'll ask my DH about that study (he told me about it) and to dig up the facts for me. >> My problem is that I am not hungry at all. I get up in the morning with my >> cup of coffee and a hardboiled egg (6AM). By 2PM I may realize that I >> missed lunch but am still not hungry. Me too. Breakfast makes me feel 'full' for a long time. So does lunch, actually.... I've always been underweight. What I'm noticing now I'm low-carbing, is that the lower gut feels 'full' but the stomach(? - between ribs and navel) feels hungry, at the same time. (Which makes sense of course.) Someone mentioned a 'hollow stomach' feeling. Also even if I don't feel hungry, if I make myself take a little salty stuff or acid drink like yoghurt or acid fruit juice, or dip just one little thing in soy sauce -- it MAKES me hungry. "Appetizer"? >> I find I end up doing 'just one more' >> task at work and then the weakness comes rushing in. By then, it's almost >> 3PM. Me too. Tho I work/piddle at home all day. >> It was happening so frequently that I have had to set reminders on my >> calendar so I can get up and eat a little something around noon! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >And they had to expend a great deal of energy just in finding food. >They certainly didn't eat as much as we do. I bet they didn't carry it around till 'dinner time' and then sit down and eat it all at once, either. :-) I bet they grazed it as they found it. But when they found a lot of something, or killed a mastodon(?) I bet they ate all they could hold and then slept it off and weren't hungry for a while. Skinny -- pre-diab hypo > Hey everyone > > Well, eating just enough to get rid of hunger pangs, but staying on > the edge and learning to enjoy the hunger a bit is my new thing. As I feel that I function better when I am slightly hungry. > much as I love to eat and drink, it has been good for me to retrain my > mind and body and knowing that having that hunger edge throughout the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have nice meals, but smaller one, and if I eat slowly enough I know > when I am no longer hungry and I stop. A good approach, if it works for you. > But back to the first paragraph: Anyone else out there enjoy the > "edge" that a slight hunger gives you throughought the day? I don't > know if this is common sense for others. for me, it is a revelation > of sorts. And my weight is going down again, a couple of pounds a > week. I am like that also. i 223/173/180 > Hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Tom > 240/204/190 Hi Tom, One of my skinniest friends insists this is so also. She eats only one meal a day but in it she eats whatever she wants. She says she likes the feeling of being just a little hungry. I don't. I'd love to feel differently about it. SignatureEvelyn (To reply to me personally, remove sox) "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<XLl0c.27084 > Hi Tom, > > One of my skinniest friends insists this is so also. She eats only one > meal a day but in it she eats whatever she wants. She says she likes the > feeling of being just a little hungry. I don't. > I'd love to feel differently about it. Hi, I think it is just training yourself to think that way. I wonder if that is the feeling Aenorexics get addicted to? Anyway, it's just a feeling like you are "surviving" and for me it puts me in a more productive space. It is quite invigorating, actually. > "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<XLl0c.27084 > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > feeling like you are "surviving" and for me it puts me in a more > productive space. It is quite invigorating, actually. My friend insists this gives her an "edge" too. SignatureEvelyn (To reply to me personally, remove sox) Tom, NO. I do not enjoy hunger. Why? Because I have learned after a year of monitoring both my food intake and my blood sugars that 90% of the time if I feel hunger it means my blood sugar is rollercoastering. In fact, I've gotten to where I can tell from the way that hunger feels exactly what that blood sugar is doing, and it is never good. When I've got my food intake working properly I don't feel hungry which is what I like about low carbing. I can keep my blood sugar from going up and down by keeping my carb intake under 15 grams a meal and avoid maltitol which, for some reason, makes me much hungrier than table sugar. If I'm doing high intensity exercise, a couple grams of glucose will keep me from burning up all my blood sugar and going low (which also causes hunger.) -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > Hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Tom > 240/204/190 Hunger is fat leaving the body. SignatureSomeone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating 800-1000 calories/day. In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain. Lyle > Tom, > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Tom > > 240/204/190 > Hunger is fat leaving the body. JC: are you sure of that? I thought it was some brain stimulation of some sort that may or may not indicate a need for food... and what is the difference between hunger and appetite? katie k ps: i think i get you now... did you know mcviegh and who was angrier? It was a play on the Marines saying "pain is weakness leaving the body". Sometimes I wonder if you were really born that stupid, or if it's the result of some horrific accident. Could be both though. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > > Hunger is fat leaving the body. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ps: i think i get you now... did you know mcviegh and who was angrier? > It was a play on the Marines saying "pain is weakness leaving the body". > > Sometimes I wonder if you were really born that stupid, or if it's the > result of some horrific accident. Could be both though. no accidents, just born this way... hey, check out the previous posts of the "Hungary" guy... looks like he is "hungary" for something else... Your stupid pal, Katie K > > It was a play on the Marines saying "pain is weakness leaving the body". > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of the "Hungary" guy... looks like he is "hungary" for something > else... Been there, done that. > > "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message > news:<oFC6c.8686$gW.2129@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Been there, done that. u looked for a bj in a ng? I don't beleive it for a second. katie k > > > "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message > > news:<oFC6c.8686$gW.2129@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > katie k It's spelled "believe". Aren't you supposed to be a college student? > > "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message > news:<FC67c.1016$uX1.115@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Aren't you supposed to be a college student? ya really think so? > > > "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig@ibm.com> wrote in message > > news:<FC67c.1016$uX1.115@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > ya really think so? I don't believe it for a second. Hi, > > > Aren't you supposed to be a college student? > > > > ya really think so? > > I don't believe it for a second. Middle aged people go to college too ya know. <G> Take care, Carmen > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Take care, > Carmen I didn't start college until I was 34. But I don't believe that katie is middle aged. Hi, > > > > > Aren't you supposed to be a college student? > > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > But I don't believe that katie is middle aged. http://tinyurl.com/3conx http://tinyurl.com/ysjom She/he doesn't qualify as a spring chicken. Art Pepper's been dead for 22 years. Take care, Carmen > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > She/he doesn't qualify as a spring chicken. > Art Pepper's been dead for 22 years. Well damn. Walked into an ambush. LOL Hi, > > > > > > > Aren't you supposed to be a college student? > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Walked into an ambush. > LOL I kept waiting for someone to out her/him. Ya'll are slackin'out there. <G> Take care, Carmen > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I kept waiting for someone to out her/him. Ya'll are slackin'out > there. <G> or maybe we just don't care. she's already blown her Jedediah James identity once in here - not that she ever had any credibility to start with. Hi, On 22-Mar-2004, dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aren't you supposed to be a college student? > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > identity once in here - not that she ever had any credibility to > start with. I don't get the Jedediah James reference. What is it? Take care, Carmen > Hi, > On 22-Mar-2004, dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > I don't get the Jedediah James reference. What is it? it's one of li'l katie's socks. http://howardk.freenix.org/msgid.cgi?ID=108000521100 "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote... | > > > I kept waiting for someone to out her/him. Ya'll are slackin'out | > > > there. <G> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | http://howardk.freenix.org/msgid.cgi?ID=108000521100 Now wait just a minute. Normally I would have jumped all over this. I guess I'm slacking *and* I don't give a f.ck?! What has California done to me? :-) eff eff burbled across the ether: > Now wait just a minute. Normally I would have jumped all over this. > I guess I'm slacking *and* I don't give a f.ck?! What has California > done to me? :-) Mellowed you all the eff out? :) Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was Us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things. {Jingo, 1997} > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote... > | > > > I kept waiting for someone to out her/him. Ya'll are slackin'out [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Now wait just a minute. Normally I would have jumped all over this. I guess > I'm slacking *and* I don't give a f.ck?! What has California done to me? :-) beats the hell out of me. i'm a third-generation native of california and *i* caught it. :P Hi Queen, On 22-Mar-2004, dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > > or maybe we just don't care. she's already blown her Jedediah > > > James identity once in here - not that she ever had any [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://howardk.freenix.org/msgid.cgi?ID=108000521100 Thanks - I went on a mad "Mark all messages read" bender when we got back and missed this one. Take care, Carmen > Hi Queen, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks - I went on a mad "Mark all messages read" bender when we got > back and missed this one. well, it's not like s/he had any credibility to start with. still, i thought it was pretty funny. POOF! > POOF! aw, poor baby. you can try to erase the evidence, but it's already archived for posterity. Hi, On 24-Mar-2004, dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > POOF! > > aw, poor baby. you can try to erase the evidence, but it's already > archived for posterity. I'm not exactly sure what he/she meant by "POOF". Maybe he/she might have exploded with that anger he/she's always talking about. Take care, Carmen > Hi, > On 24-Mar-2004, dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm not exactly sure what he/she meant by "POOF". Maybe he/she might > have exploded with that anger he/she's always talking about. the irony would be delicious, but i doubt that it's achieved that level of self-awareness. i think it just muddles through and doesn't realize that good trolling actually requires a smidge of intelligence and some attention to detail. > > > POOF! > > > aw, poor baby. you can try to erase the evidence, but it's already > > archived for posterity. Chuckle. > I'm not exactly sure what he/she meant by "POOF". Maybe he/she might > have exploded with that anger he/she's always talking about. Maybe she just vanished in a poof of logical and she won't post any more aka she just chose a new sock. More likely she was trying to remember the word "plonk" and forgot. Hi, > POOF! May I suggest some Beano? Take care, Carmen >Hi, > >> POOF! > >May I suggest some Beano? ...sounds (and smells) like ka ka katie has had ample of that stuff. that *_is_* the Heinz Baked Beanos, eh Carmen <G> MM > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > But I don't believe that katie is middle aged. Cuz it took you til 34 to graduate from high school right??? ROFLPMFP!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Aren't you supposed to be a college student? > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Cuz it took you til 34 to graduate from high school right??? ROFLPMFP!!!!!!!! at least he went to college. you, on the other hand, appear to have the education of an eighth-grader. and that's being generous. > > > Hi, > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cuz it took you til 34 to graduate from high school right??? ROFLPMFP!!!!!!!! I have never graduated from high school. > I have never graduated from high school. really? me neither. > > I have never graduated from high school. > > really? me neither. I also never took the SAT's or college entrance exams. My students get a kick out of that, when I tell them. > > > I have never graduated from high school. > > > > really? me neither. > > I also never took the SAT's or college entrance exams. My students get a > kick out of that, when I tell them. This is strange, I never run across this in real life. I didn't finish high school either, took the GED and ACTs the same day to start junior college a few months later. I later finished college, but not grad school. Hubby never finished high school either and didn't bother with the GED before college. He only did a few semesters, so didn't finish college either. But he's much more educated than I am. He's the only person I know who learned trignometry just for fun... and he actually remembers it, whereas I'm lucky to remember a bit of algebra. I majored in chemistry, so know more about it than him in spite of the tons I've forgotten while not being a chemist all these years, and I know more about cooking and preserving food cause I do it a lot, but he knows more about pretty much every other subject than me. Just commenting cause I never run across people who didn't finish high school in real life other than ourselves. Hi, JC: > > > > I have never graduated from high school. TQOCAJ: > > > really? me neither. JC: > > I also never took the SAT's or college entrance exams. My students > > get a kick out of that, when I tell them. JPatti: > This is strange, I never run across this in real life. > I didn't finish high school either, took the GED and ACTs the same > day to start junior college a few months later. I later finished > college, but not grad school. SNIP > Just commenting cause I never run across people who didn't finish > high school in real life other than ourselves. Carmen: I did graduate high school, but never took SATs or ACTs. By the time I started college I'd been out of high school so long that the grades weren't needed, nor was an ACT or SAT score, just the entrance placement exams. That was used to identify people requiring developmental courses in order to function at college level, and the math also identified what level college math one was qualified to take to start. Mine were all as expected, but when I did an honors project in Advanced Stats later on for the college I found out that there were a huge number of applicants who needed remedial courses in order to do college level work. (The project was to analyze the data set from those needing the courses to try and identify those who would be most likely to do well in college in the long run. Unfortunately there was no predictive value from the data available. On the brighter side I got my own full copy of MiniTab out of the project. :-) ) Non-trads do screw up the curves. Sarge has worked with sergeant majors who got into the Army originally with a GED or nothing and now hold bachelors and masters degrees. :-) Take care, Carmen > > > > I have never graduated from high school. > > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Just commenting cause I never run across people who didn't finish high > school in real life other than ourselves. An assistant principal at the high school where I work also dropped out of high school. Now, of course, he has a master's degree. I frequently remind some of my peers that we never know how our students will turn out. The biggest mistake is to write them off because they don't fit into our perception of "good students". > An assistant principal at the high school where I work also dropped out of > high school. Now, of course, he has a master's degree. I frequently remind > some of my peers that we never know how our students will turn out. The > biggest mistake is to write them off because they don't fit into our > perception of "good students". I work with elementary and middle school students, and though I don't show them any favoritism, my actual favorite kids happen to be, for some reason, the ones who are always getting in trouble. The other counsellors see them as loud and obnoxious smartasses, whereas I see them as witty, confident, and exuberant. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > > An assistant principal at the high school where I work also dropped out of > > high school. Now, of course, he has a master's degree. I frequently remind [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > as loud and obnoxious smartasses, whereas I see them as witty, confident, > and exuberant. Thought you worked at a theater. > > > An assistant principal at the high school where I work also dropped out > of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thought you worked at a theater. On the weekends. During the week I'm a counsellor at an after school program which is physically located at a private school, but is run by the YMCA. Hence, the free Y membership. Hence, more working out for Luna. Yay! SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > > > I have never graduated from high school. > > > > really? me neither. > > I also never took the SAT's or college entrance exams. My students get a > kick out of that, when I tell them. i've never taken them either, and i don't think i ever will. the school i'm at now has a guaranteed entry program with the university i plan to attend, and since i'm maintaining a 3.4 gpa i don't anticipate having any trouble when it's time to apply. > > > I have never graduated from high school. > > > > really? me neither. > > I also never took the SAT's or college entrance exams. My students get a > kick out of that, when I tell them. Me neither...I only took the ACTs though I did graduate from high school. > Tom, > > NO. I do not enjoy hunger. Why? Because I have learned after a year of > monitoring both my food intake and my blood sugars that 90% of the time if I > feel hunger it means my blood sugar is rollercoastering. > -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, > hba1c 5.2. Yes, I understand for those who have to watch their blood sugar it wouldn't be a good thing. And that's what's so good about LCing, the ease at which you can control hunger. > Yes, I understand for those who have to watch their blood sugar it > wouldn't be a good thing. And that's what's so good about LCing, the > ease at which you can control hunger. I think it depends. The first week low-carbing, I'm always ravenous... because it takes time for my blood sugar to stabilize. I just have to suffer through that until my biochemistry adjusts. That's why I don't think there's any point in trying to limit food intake on induction, just eat until things normalize and don't worry about calories. Well, that's what I do. I am *also* ravenous with out-of-control high blood sugar, when the sugar isn't entering my cells and all my muscles feel weak. Even with high bloos sugar, I can have relaly low *cellular* levels of sugar, and that feels hungry in a really unpleasant way. And the only way to get back to feeling normal is to low carb and suffer the low blood sugar hunger until my body adjusts to low carb. Blood sugar hunger does not feel good to me, it feels awful. It feels like I'd do anything to make it stop. And eating piles of meat doesn't touch that kind of hunge,r you just have to go through it. However, when already low-carbing, my blood sugar stablizies to such a degree that I can feel another type of hunger... and when my stomach feels empty, and sort of growly and noisy, that feels good to me sometimes. Even when it doesn't feel good, it doesn't feel bad very bad particularly. The hunger of an empty belly is much less compelling than sugar hunger. I go to sleep hungry pretty often now, just cause... well, I'm in bed, I'm reading, I notice I'm hungry and just think, "Well, I can just eat tomorrow." The notion of walking downstairs to eat just sounds like too much work when semi-sleepy. That type of hunger isn't uncomfortable enough to get out of bed over; it's easier to be lazy. In fact, if the kithcen is already cleaned up before I go to bed, it doesn't seem worth it to get somehting on my way up even if I'm already hungry. I have a similar situation when coding, "I'll just finish this one little bit before I get up." I usually cook in big batches and have leftovers available, but even getting up to nuke something seems too much of a distraction when in a programming fugue. Same deal, my desire to not have my thinking interrupted is stronger than my hunger. But again, there's different types of hunger... blood sugar hunger feels *much* more overwhelming to me than laziness or the desire to solve a problem, whereas just regular I-haven't-eaten-in-quite-a-while-hunger isn't motivating enough to cause me to eat unless food is plopped in front of me. jpatti, Great post! Blood sugar hunger is something that until you've experienced it, you really can't understand how awful it is or how easy it makes it to gain a great deaf of weight. I'm convinced that this kind of hunger is what makes so many people with diabetes fat. I believe the blood sugar hunger starts very early on in the process of beta cell destruction, long before diagnosis, and the intense, unending, compulsive hunger it causes is what drives people to eat so crazily and gain so much weight. It certainly did that to me. And it was so different from my usual hunger levels that my relatives immediately knew something was wrong, because suddenly I was shoveling food into my mouth and snapping at anyone who tried to stop me, which was very out of character. When I started low carbing it went away as swiftly as it came on. Re the "just one more little thing" coding state. I have spent many happy hours in that too. Unfortunately, after I wrecked my back it got to be a problem because I would sit for far too long in that state of deep concentration without realizing it as my sense of time would go. Then when I'd get up--omigawd, the back was set in concrete and it would take days to calm down. Oddly that never happened when I typed messages or articles, only when I worked on developing and debugging code. There seems to be a different posture involved there. --Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > > Yes, I understand for those who have to watch their blood sugar it > > wouldn't be a good thing. And that's what's so good about LCing, the [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > I-haven't-eaten-in-quite-a-while-hunger isn't motivating enough to > cause me to eat unless food is plopped in front of me. >Hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Tom >240/204/190 I agree. We may be onto something important here. The opposite extreme really annoys me too. I mean that if I go several days of eating 3 or 4 normal meals a day and never getting hungry, I become annoyed with myself for never being hungry. I feel that I am eating way too often and too much even if the meals are normal. PJ > Hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Tom > 240/204/190 You dont have to be hinmgry on LC but I do totally understand. I had my own little thing going on with past dieting ya know the Low fat, Low cal ones....... I associated hunger with losing weight. I remember telling myself all the time that if I was feeling hungry then I was losing weight. Of course that was the case b/c I was consuming 500 or less calories a day by eating hummingbird wings LOL. Good Gawd who wouldnt be hungry huh? Laureen > But back to the first paragraph: Anyone else out there enjoy the > "edge" that a slight hunger gives you throughought the day? I don't > know if this is common sense for others. for me, it is a revelation > of sorts. And my weight is going down again, a couple of pounds a > week. Yep, I noticed that long before I ever did low-carb. When I am a bit hungry I am much more alert and energetic. Now that I have been doing low carb for a few years I can have that without the old hunger pains. BTW, Chili peppers! My late night snacks now consist of a bit of cheese, a bit of sausage and some extra-spicy hot sauce to dip em in. The capsaicin really kills your appetite and gives you some endorphins to boot! |
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