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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Its not a plateau, its a brick wall !!!
Hello all you low carb guru's. I've been on Atkins now for about 8 months in which time I've lost about 63lbs which is nothing short of a miracle considering it took me 3 years to loose the same amount with a low fat diet. However I have now hit a problem. I can't seem to get below 189lbs to reach my 175lb goal. I know your thinking its just the usual stall/plateau that everyone gets occasionally but this one has been ongoing now for 3 months and I just can't crack it. The 3 stalls I've had in the past have only lasted about 2 weeks and then the weight would drop even faster than before. In an attempt to break the stall I even put on 14lbs whilst on holiday over Xmas by pigging out on all sorts of nasty food stuffs, then when I returned I went back on the Atkins and lost the 14lbs in 3 weeks until I hit 189lbs and then bang,brick wall time. Even when I revert back to a high carb/low fat diet I always stall at 189 after the usual 4-5lb gain due to water/carb restocking. I have tried eating less/eating more. Exercising more/exercising less. Drinking more water/ drinking less water. I don't drink soft drinks or tea/coffee just spring water(about 3 litres a day) and have tried cutting out each food type from my diet to see if any one is causing a problem. I normally eat between 1800 and 2000 cals per day but have varied it between 1500 and 2500 to try and crack this stall. I read in this ng that your body can develop a memory of your weight in the past and may try to stick to a weight you held for a long time but I can't remember being 189lbs since my early teens and I'm now pushing 30. Has anyone else out there had experience with a brick wall of a stall like this because being only 14lbs off goal weight is infuriating. Cheers Andy Mc UK (327/189/175) > Hello all you low carb guru's. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > (327/189/175) Yes, but I'm far away from the goal still. I've been stuck more or less for the last two months, inching downward. On the other hand, I know that I'm metabolically resistant, that there's IR in the family, that I have hormonal issues (I take a prescribed hormonal medication), etc. In your case, it might be that your goal and your weight are close enough that you've actually reached where your body wants to be? I don't know - but if I had the success you have, I'd be thrilled, and, while still working at it, not stressing. Because, WOW!!! Just a thought. 347/259.75/??? Since 8/5/02  SignatureNancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). I used to bounce off 197 and around 200 and thought that was as low as I could get. I was not happy with that, so I just started working out harder and it did push me through. I have been on Induction levels, but make sure I am eating enough. I work out for 1 1/2 hours 4-5 days a week. I know that is a tall order, but I just want to end this. I am at my current goal weight, but want to lose some more body fat. I think you can do it if you want and keep going. You have to be pretty strict. Maybe take a day off and then start over on Induction and be really strict for two weeks to see if you can break through. Curt SignatureStarted low carb May '03 211/184/185 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF Highest weight 250 5+ years ago > Hello all you low carb guru's. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > (327/189/175) Try going down to 1200 calories. SignatureSomeone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating 800-1000 calories/day. In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain. Lyle > Hello all you low carb guru's. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > (327/189/175) > Hello all you low carb guru's. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >low fat diet. However I have now hit a problem. I can't seem to get below >189lbs to reach my 175lb goal. [snip] > Cheers > Andy Mc UK > > (327/189/175) Fats are calorie dense so people having stalls a few pounds above ideal weight are common, unless you can make a few calorie trade offs. Simple calorie tradeoff like using a low fat Xanthan gum based salad dressing instead of an oil based dressing can eliminate several hundred calories a week without leaving you feeling deprived. It does all boil down to calories in calories out and finding methods that help with your appetite. With low carb if you are feeling deprived you are doing something wrong. Finding an exercise that you enjoy will help keep your metabolism up and provide some muscle tone. You should still be able to break a stall by just reducing calories though. I'd suggest fasting. It's guaranteed to take off the weight. PJ >> Hello all you low carb guru's. >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >and provide some muscle tone. You should still be able to break a >stall by just reducing calories though. :: Hello all you low carb guru's. :: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] :: :: (327/189/175) 1500/189 = 7.9x. So you're at 8x bodyweight at your lowest. I suggest you move it down to 7x for two weeks, then 6x -- until you start losing. Also, formalize your exercise program. Do cardio with the intent of burning X calories per day. Do the cardio at least 6 times per week. And add in weight training, too (and if you do, do your cardio either after or well before your weight training). Count your calories in / out via fitday.com. The other option is to be happy where you are. You've lost 138 lbs -- that's great, man! Why must you weigh 175 lbs? I'd have to pose some thoughts/questions... Any medications? Illnesses that might be interacting with your body to produce slightly higher body weight? Are you taking vitamins/esential oils/supplements? Your body may need something else to reach peak shape. How tall are you (male apparently), and what size frame (small medium large)? Is your goal weight realistic? Is your goal weight maintainable within your enjoyable lifestyle? By this I mean, if 175 and lower BF% requires 1.5 hours a day workout 4 times a week are you prepared to do that... for years to come? If not do you really want to go there only to bounce back up when you can't maintain that strict level of metabolism? Out of curiosity, what is your CCLL? You should also consider that 1800-2000 calorie range may be the intake level that will maintain 185 lbs for your metabolism. I've seen estiamtes that you can only lose about 1% of body weight a week and this number is just wrong for obvious mathematical reasons...it assumes an eventual weight of zero pounds. I've been running numbers and found that if I estimate a base healthy weight (estimate of how low my body would go for my frame, 180 lbs for me) I am losing about 2.2% of the difference each week. It has been surprisingly accurate for the seven weeks. (current weight - minimum healthy wt est) * 0.022 = week's loss As you get closer to this healthy body weight your loss slows. The last pounds may take weeks/months. I'll only know if this formula continues to be accurate for me in the many months to come, but I would think most weight loss would follow a decreasing pattern that is a % of your "over-weight". DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/326/200 Atkins since 1/12/2004 Taking advice from someone that is 150 pounds overweight might not be your best option. SignatureSomeone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating 800-1000 calories/day. In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain. Lyle > I'd have to pose some thoughts/questions... > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > 350/326/200 > Atkins since 1/12/2004 > Taking advice from someone that is 150 pounds overweight might not be your > best option. You weren't talking about me, but I'm going to comment. I'm 130 overweight. I've done this in the past and been to my goal weight. I kept it off for a little while, then because of weakness, I fell off the wagon and put it all back on. While I might be overweight, that has no bearing on the knowledge I have. I know Low Carb, weight training, and cardio inside and out. I do agree that taking diet advice from a fat person is a bit of an off-the-wall concept, however instead of judging the book by the cover, you should actually look at the contents of the post that you attempted to bash. If people have questions with them and I answer, I am confident that my information is accurate and helpful. My weight has zero bearing on my knowledge base. If you would have bothered reading the post that you replied to and understood it, you would have seen that it agrees with your stance on lowering the caloric intake. It explains that the body has a certain level that it will maintain weight at and shows that the OP might have to lower his caloric intake, raise his exercise, vitamins, and other GOOD information until he starts losing and can get to a low enough level to maintain his goal weight. It also gives a formula that will help you to plot weekly weight loss in a curve, relative to the amount of weight that you still have to lose... pointing out that as you get closer to goal, you will lose less and it will be harder. Before you make a comment about a post, try removing your head from your a.s. It will help you read better. No hard feelings. I still like ya. -Dough >> Taking advice from someone that is 150 pounds overweight might not be your >> best option. > >You weren't talking about me, but I'm going to comment.... Gotta love killfilters. Apparently I already decided that the poster you responded to simply had nothing important to contribute to the NG. The fact that they still read my posts but feel the need to discredit them may mean they can't figure out how to killfile. I wonder if they ignore posts of every fat person? I'd listen to a smart fat person over any dumb, thin a.s anytime. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/325/Mar-315/200 Atkins since 1/12/2004 > >> Taking advice from someone that is 150 pounds overweight might not be your > >> best option. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The fact that they still read my posts but feel the need to discredit > them may mean they can't figure out how to killfile. everyone you killfile is supposed to killfile you in return? and everyone who disagrees with you is supposed to killfile you and not bother to refute you if you post something they disagree with? is that how it works? >> >> Taking advice from someone that is 150 pounds overweight might not be your >> >> best option. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >everyone who disagrees with you is supposed to killfile you and not >bother to refute you if you post something they disagree with? I don't know... did he/she REFUTE me? From what I see the poster(whoever it was) basically said my post had no value because I was fat. No other logic or info. Do YOU consider THAT of value to the NG? Did YOU spend any effort refuting what sounds like a posting of ignorance? If not, why wade through such crap. If your no going to do anything about it, it is just noise. And in NG you can silence the noise and have a much better experience. If my posts are considered noise by others, I expect them to killfile me--unless they have nothing better to do. >is that how it works? Yeah DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/325/Mar-315/200 Atkins since 1/12/2004 Your post has no value because you're fat AND stupid. HTH SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > >> >> Taking advice from someone that is 150 pounds overweight might not be your > >> >> best option. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > 350/325/Mar-315/200 > Atkins since 1/12/2004 > I don't know... did he/she REFUTE me? From what I see the > poster(whoever it was) basically said my post had no value because I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > experience. If my posts are considered noise by others, I expect them > to killfile me--unless they have nothing better to do. ginormous chip on your shoulder much? by the way, learn to put some white space in between what you're replying to and your replies. your formatting is hideous. >> I don't know... did he/she REFUTE me? From what I see the >> poster(whoever it was) basically said my post had no value because I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >ginormous chip on your shoulder much? Sigh, another useless contribution from you. Like JC you post for the sake of seeing your name and contribute value too infrequently. I noticed this pattern in the past but saw some worthwhile posts made by you. Now I see my initial impression was correct. You are kind of a JC groupie. >by the way, learn to put some white space in between what you're >replying to and your replies. your formatting is hideous. LOL, How pathetic! Maybe you should killfile me so you never have to suffer through another "hideously formatted" post. LOL *PLONK* DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/325/Mar-315/200 Atkins since 1/12/2004 I still wouldn't take diet advice from you. You're way too fat. SignatureSomeone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating 800-1000 calories/day. In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain. Lyle > > Taking advice from someone that is 150 pounds overweight might not be your > > best option. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > -Dough > I still wouldn't take diet advice from you. You're way too fat. It is funny how unwilling to see or admit that you were wrong. It must burn you up that someone so fat knows more than you and called you on it. You should try hitting the gym, JC. In that pic that you posted you look like atrophy embodied. I've heard comments about people losing a lot of muscle while dieting and never understood what they're talking about, now I do. I could give you a few tips on how to develop a physique that doesn't look like you've been stranded on an island for a decade, but that wouldn't help you because you're too full of your own pride to listen. Do yourself a favor and hit the weights with the fervor and attitude that you bring to this forum. Maybe you won't hate what you see in the mirror so much. Don't bother with a witty retort about me not posting my pic. I'm too fat to care. I still enjoy reading your posts though. So I take it that you believe that anything under 20% bodyfat looks atrophied? LOL SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > > I still wouldn't take diet advice from you. You're way too fat. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I still enjoy reading your posts though. > So I take it that you believe that anything under 20% bodyfat looks > atrophied? > > LOL Not at all. The lowest I got when I was actually in shape and working out was 200 and was far from atrophied. I was lean and I was muscular. Being lean and looking like you fear a weight room are two different things altogether. (you're the latter of the two) Lets just list a few things I can see while I'm looking... your bi's are almost nonexistent, you have no traps nor delts(wearing a wife-beater shows this off well), your forearms have no tone, and your chest has no shape. That's all I can see right now, but I'm sure your legs look like matchsticks too. Anything else you wish to comment on? That green-eyed monster is eating you up. Too bad it doesn't help you lose weight. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > > So I take it that you believe that anything under 20% bodyfat looks > > atrophied? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Anything else you wish to comment on? > That green-eyed monster is eating you up. Too bad it doesn't help you lose > weight. No envy while looking at the pics of you, however the monster does lurk near in my shadow. It lurks, waiting to eat me up. I have pics from 5 years ago when I was in good shape taped to my mirrors, on my recumbent bike and treadmill, and above my bed. I see those pictures and I envy what I used to look like. Weakness got me in the current shape I'm in and strength(no pun intended) will bring it back. Doing an hour of cardio (155-160 heartrate), and lifting 5 days a week (doing different bodyparts each day) has lost me an average of 3.8 pounds a week and 12+ inches over the last 9 weeks and is refueling my burning desire and seething envy for my 'old' body. Comment as you will. I'll be reading and I'll reply. It might help you to stop deflecting and look inward to sate the anger that boils within you. While you're looking inward... make a trip to the gym. -Dough So you don't have a pic to post? Wonders never cease. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > > That green-eyed monster is eating you up. Too bad it doesn't help you lose > > weight. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > -Dough > So you don't have a pic to post? > > Wonders never cease. Nope. Too fat to care about posting my pic for you. Catch me in August. I'll post my before and 'current'. I take pics every 2 weeks and I'll have a nice animated .gif to show the change. I wish I would have taken similar pics back in '98 when I lost the weight originally. It is quite amazing. 'Til August is a long time. Let's hope you don't lose your way. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > > So you don't have a pic to post? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a nice animated .gif to show the change. I wish I would have taken similar > pics back in '98 when I lost the weight originally. It is quite amazing. > 'Til August is a long time. Let's hope you don't lose your way. Gee whiz JC. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me... or anyone else I can think of. I'm gunna go to bed now. Have a good nite. -Dough Good night Beav. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > > 'Til August is a long time. Let's hope you don't lose your way. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Dough > You should try hitting the gym, JC. In that pic that you posted you > look like atrophy embodied. I've heard comments about people losing a lot [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that you bring to this forum. Maybe you won't hate what you see in the > mirror so much. I understand why some folks don't like JC, I really do - but are you sure you are thinking of the right person's picture? carla > I understand why some folks don't like JC, I really do - > carla Et tu? > > I understand why some folks don't like JC, I really do - > > carla > > Et tu? You can count on me, Caesar. But I've noticed that you seem to rub some folks the wrong way. carla > > I understand why some folks don't like JC, I really do - > > carla > > Et tu? You know, JC, in grand l'esprit de l'escalier fashion I woke up in the middle of the night with a *great* response to this, hours after I'd already posted a rather lame one. So if you'll indulge me, here it is: Don't worry JC - I've got your back. carla > > > I understand why some folks don't like JC, I really do - > > > carla [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > carla Now that's funny. "JC Der Koenig": > Taking advice from someone that is 150 pounds overweight might not be your > best option. I normally stay out of these things, but bashing someone who's agreeing with you might just not be your best option, either. No matter what he weighs. -- Lexin (300/226/182) LC since 9 June 2003 It's not what he said, it's how he said it. ;-) SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > "JC Der Koenig": > > Taking advice from someone that is 150 pounds overweight might not be your [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (300/226/182) > LC since 9 June 2003 Andy, Been there, hit that wall. Listen very carefully to what I have to say, as you may save your ability to eat at reasonable levels. You have most likely hit the true goal weight for your build and metabolism. That's because once you get heavy, you put on extra bone and muscle that increases your lean body mass and makes you heavier at a healthy weight. If that is so, the only way you will lose any more is by severely restricting your caloric intake. You might think, well, great, I'll be skinny. But you will also be condemned to eat at that reduced calorie level for the rest of your life or face gaining the weight right back because you will slow your metabolism. If you are eating what feels like enough (or even a lot) of food now on your current low carb regimen, it is a much better idea to stay at that weight maintain, and celebrate an impressive weight loss than push for that last 10 lbs. I lost that extra 10 lbs, but only at the cost of reducing how much I could eat on maintenance by about 300 calories a day. It sucks, because I gain weight now when I eat at the comfortable intake level that maintained my previous low carb loss (at a level 10 lbs "too high") for almost 3 years. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > Hello all you low carb guru's. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > (327/189/175) Jenny, you are way out in left field. Just how do you think that so many people get defined abs? Is it magic? Is the universe against you? And oh btw, reduced calories has been shown to be healthy for you in numerous studies. SignatureSomeone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating 800-1000 calories/day. In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain. Lyle > Andy, > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > > > (327/189/175) Hi everyone, Wow I didn't expect so many posts so thanks to you all. Although I am close to my goal I still feel there is still more to loose as I do have a fair gut still and a modest size pair of man-boobs! I know the medical press can't be tailored to an individual but with my height at 5'09ft I should have a BMI of 25 which is 175lbs. When I look at myself in the mirror I think they would be 14lbs well lost. The main reason I feel I still have more to loose is the nature at which I hit this stall. I would have thought that when naturally reaching a equilibrium between calorie intake and calories burnt the weight loss would slow week on week until a stable weight is achieved where as with me I was loosing 3lbs a week and then nothing. This has happened 4 times now. If tomorrow I decide to pig out and gain 10 pounds then I found I could very easily loose that 10 pounds with either Atkins or a low fat diet until I hit 189. I'm also not sure about the natural body weight idea as I was using that excuse when I was 260lbs and unable to lose weight with the same calorie intake as I have now(pre Atkins). I have considered cutting back on my intake but are worried about my body going into survival mode with the low energy/fatigue symptoms which I had when on a low fat diet years ago. I probably will take up Rogers advice and do some weight lifting in addition to my other exercises as my upper body strength has diminished somewhat with the last 60lbs or so. The best advice though seems to be to just relax and enjoy my new shape which I certainly will do and maybe I'll naturally pass through the stall in time but if not then I'll still be happy with what I've achieved. Cheers Andy Mc Any medications? Illnesses that might be interacting with your body to produce slightly higher body weight? Are you taking vitamins/esential oils/supplements? Your body may need something else to reach peak shape. How tall are you (male apparently), and what size frame (small medium large)? Is your goal weight realistic? Is your goal weight maintainable within your enjoyable lifestyle? By this I mean, if 175 and lower BF% requires 1.5 hours a day workout 4 times a week are you prepared to do that... for years to come? If not do you really want to go there only to bounce back up when you can't maintain that strict level of metabolism? Out of curiosity, what is your CCLL? You should also consider that 1800-2000 calorie range may be the intake level that will maintain 185 lbs for your metabolism. I've seen estiamtes that you can only lose about 1% of body weight a week and this number is just wrong for obvious mathematical reasons...it assumes an eventual weight of zero pounds. I've been running numbers and found that if I estimate a base healthy weight (estimate of how low my body would go for my frame, 180 lbs for me) I am losing about 2.2% of the difference each week. It has been surprisingly accurate for the seven weeks. (current weight - minimum healthy wt est) * 0.022 = week's loss As you get closer to this healthy body weight your loss slows. The last pounds may take weeks/months. I'll only know if this formula continues to be accurate for me in the many months to come, but I would think most weight loss would follow a decreasing pattern that is a % of your "over-weight". DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/326/200 Atkins since 1/12/2004 I used to bounce off 197 and around 200 and thought that was as low as I could get. I was not happy with that, so I just started working out harder and it did push me through. I have been on Induction levels, but make sure I am eating enough. I work out for 1 1/2 hours 4-5 days a week. I know that is a tall order, but I just want to end this. I am at my current goal weight, but want to lose some more body fat. I think you can do it if you want and keep going. You have to be pretty strict. Maybe take a day off and then start over on Induction and be really strict for two weeks to see if you can break through. Curt -- Started low carb May '03 211/184/185 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF Highest weight 250 5+ years ago > Andy, > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > > > (327/189/175) :: Hi everyone, :: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: man-boobs! I know the medical press can't be tailored to an :: individual but with my height at 5'09ft Is that 5'9" or something else? If you see fat, then you know you have more to lose. BTW, I weigh 245 (6'1") and I'm eating around 1800 - 2200 kcals per day. So it seems to me that you need to eat less, exercise more if you want to continue to make progress. It's your decision. I should have a BMI of 25 :: which is 175lbs. When I look at myself in the mirror I think they :: would be 14lbs well lost. Then you have your answer right there. systematically lower calorie intake / increase exercise volume until weight loss begins anew. I suggest LC as it will ease the hunger pangs greatly, but you may need to go hungry sometimes. There's nothing wrong with hunger as long as it not induced by carb-based BG swings, imo. The main reason I feel :: I still have more to loose is the :: nature at which I hit this stall. I would have thought that when [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :: idea as I was using that excuse when I was 260lbs and unable to lose :: weight with the same calorie intake as I have now(pre Atkins). :: I :: have considered cutting back on my intake but are worried about my :: body going into survival mode with the low energy/fatigue symptoms :: which I had when on a low fat diet years ago. Forget LF....do LC! :: I probably will take :: up Rogers advice and do some weight lifting in addition to my other :: exercises as my upper body strength has :: diminished somewhat with the last 60lbs or so. Sounds like you've lost some muscle mass. Being a newbie at weight lifting will be very good for you at this point. I suggest you do a 3 time per week, full body routine. Go here: http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html and go to workouts. Don't let the fact that this site seems to be for women bother you, the workouts are the same. I strongly suggest that you do low carb and that you check in here frequently. You may have some issues with energy levels and hunger at first, but you can "punch" through them. The best advice :: though seems to be to just relax and :: enjoy my new shape which I certainly will do and maybe I'll :: naturally pass through the stall in time but if not then I'll still :: be happy with what I've achieved. Right. But please don't assume that magically something amazing will sooner or later happen. This is something you can MAKE happen if you want it too. But if it doesn't, that is by no means a crime -- you've done very well. Maintaining what you have achieved will be yet another accomplishment. Good luck. > : Wow I didn't expect so many posts so thanks to you > :: all. Although I am close to my goal I still feel there is still more > :: to loose as I do have a fair gut still and a modest size pair of > :: man-boobs! I know the medical press can't be tailored to an > :: individual but with my height at 5'09ft Roger is right about weight lifting. I've been using resistance training and my pecs are downright HARD compared to before! It doesn't take much to make a noticeable difference! It may not reduce the fat on your "man-boobs", but they WILL ride higher and perhaps a little farther apart :-) SignatureSaffire 205/169/125 - 5'2.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 You may want to do some research on leptin. You may find some answers there :) L And McLean wrote: Has anyone else out there had experience with a brick wall of a stall like this because being only 14lbs off goal weight is infuriating. ---------------------------------------- Andy I was in the same situation not too long ago. (I am now 7 lbs. from goal) Right now it may feel like a brick wall, but it isn't, not really. It just seem that way to you right now, in this stage of your WOE. Even if it were, you can climb that sucker! It can be done. The closer you get to goal the harder it will seem, but you must buck up, get in shape, and start climbing. I don't mean to sound trite, but it is do-able. And please keep in mind, the facts are that this has been, and will continue to be done, over and over again. Climb Away; Marty > Hello all you low carb guru's. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > past have only lasted about 2 weeks and then the weight would drop even > faster than before. Yes, I just came out a stall of the same length (3 months) that happened near a previous plateau weight for me, and I'm also near goal (well, I assume I have come out of the stall anyway - I finally lost 2lbs around Valentine's Day, and won't know if I'll continue to lose for another week or so, since my loss has always shown up around 3-4 week intervals rather than steadily every week). I also tried several of the same things you tried (more exercise, fewer calories, having a carb-up and then going back on Induction, etc), and nothing did finally break it except time. It is frustrating, I agree...to be so close and have the goal in sight but yet still out of reach. But like someone here reminded me - don't lose sight of how far you've already come (which in your case is quite far, congrats!!!). Also, have you measured (or can you tell any difference in your clothes, even if it's only a slight one)? During my stall, I still could tell some difference in my clothes fit, they got a little more loose over that time. I could also still see some body composition change in the mirror over that three months, even though the scale wasn't moving. Who knows, maybe our bodies have been in conservation mode because it's winter, <g>. Don't lose hope though, because your loss may well restart on its own whenever your body is ready. That's pretty much what mine seems to have done. Stargazer Atkins since Apr '03 192/149/140 Why don't you accept 189 as your ideal weight ... and relax a little? When you've gone from 327 to 189 ... I don't think losing 14 more pounds is nearly as important as continuing to maintain your current way of eating. congrats on the tremendous weight loss! relax! Placid > Hello all you low carb guru's. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > (327/189/175) > I've been on Atkins now for > about 8 months in which time I've lost about 63lbs which is nothing short > of a miracle considering it took me 3 years to loose the same amount with a > low fat diet. However I have now hit a problem. I can't seem to get below > 189lbs to reach my 175lb goal. Andy, congratulations on your FANTASTIC loss in such a short period of time! On the stall issue, have you tried a fat fast? SignatureSaffire 205/169/125 - 5'2.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 Hi Saffire, Thanks for the support. I did try a 2 week fat fast just before Xmas eating mainly chicken, turkey and fishfood with a low fat/ lowish carb dressing but I found it made me a bit tired and I remained at 189lbs. Although now that I come to think about it I didn't get a whole load of exercise during those 2 weeks due work commitments so its worth giving it another go. I think I'll go back on induction next week(currently on low fat) and combine it with a fat fast to see if that does the trick. Cheers Andy Mc > > I've been on Atkins now for > > about 8 months in which time I've lost about 63lbs which is nothing short [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Atkins since 6/14/03 > Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 OOps thats what you get for logging in as your brother on our PC, the above post is from Andy Mc! > Thanks for the support. I did try a 2 week fat fast just > before Xmas eating mainly chicken, turkey and fishfood with a low fat/ [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Atkins since 6/14/03 > > Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 You don't know what a fat fast is. SignatureSomeone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating 800-1000 calories/day. In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain. Lyle > Hi Saffire, > Thanks for the support. I did try a 2 week fat fast just [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Atkins since 6/14/03 > > Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 >I did try a 2 week fat fast just >before Xmas eating mainly chicken, turkey and fishfood with a low fat/ >lowish carb dressing but I found it made me a bit tired and I remained at >189lbs. Actually, on a fat fast, you consume mostly fat and little else. Like only cream cheese and macadamia nuts for three days. It's described fully in the Atkins book. Jennifer 273/219/140 Atkins since 8/4/03 > Hi Saffire, > Thanks for the support. I did try a 2 week fat fast just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > another go. I think I'll go back on induction next week(currently on low > fat) and combine it with a fat fast to see if that does the trick. That's not a fat fast. See http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/21-237659.html for instructions on doing a fat fast, which consists MOSTLY of FAT, whereas it sounds like you went as low fat as you possibly could. SignatureSaffire 205/169/125 - 5'2.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 |
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