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GiveMeABMW - 29 Feb 2004 01:37 GMT
Are there any that actually taste good? I'm replacing 2 meals a day with them,
but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good thing for weight
loss, sure, but starvation isn't the way!).

Are there any I should watch out for in terms of 'fuzzy math' in the carb
count?

Thanks:=]
Chrono-Z - 29 Feb 2004 01:49 GMT
They are crap that will only make it worse. Dont eat them. Eat real food.
Easy concept.
> Are there any that actually taste good? I'm replacing 2 meals a day with them,
> but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good thing for weight
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thanks:=]
GiveMeABMW - 29 Feb 2004 01:53 GMT
They are crap that will only make it worse. Dont eat them. Eat real food.
Easy concept.>>>

::feeds the troll a cracker::
Chrono-Z - 29 Feb 2004 01:54 GMT
Have you read thje ingrediant list on thoose things. It's disgusting. Eat
real food.
> They are crap that will only make it worse. Dont eat them. Eat real food.
> Easy concept.>>>
>
> ::feeds the troll a cracker::
JC Der Koenig - 29 Feb 2004 01:56 GMT
The truth bothers you?

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Someone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating
800-1000 calories/day.

In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain.

Lyle

> They are crap that will only make it worse. Dont eat them. Eat real food.
> Easy concept.>>>
>
> ::feeds the troll a cracker::
emkay - 29 Feb 2004 03:52 GMT
Dang, now I'm only 87 for 88 this week.  I was sure that post was going to
say "Crackers are not low carb."

>The truth bothers you?

>> They are crap that will only make it worse. Dont eat them. Eat real food.
>> Easy concept.>>>
>>
>> ::feeds the troll a cracker::
carla - 29 Feb 2004 03:17 GMT
> They are crap that will only make it worse. Dont eat them. Eat real food.
> Easy concept.>>>
>
> ::feeds the troll a cracker::

This happens to be one instance where Chrono-Z is giving you valuable
information, rather than trolling.

carla
GiveMeABMW - 29 Feb 2004 03:28 GMT
> They are crap that will only make it worse. Dont eat them. Eat real food.
> Easy concept.>>>
>
> ::feeds the troll a cracker::>>

This happens to be one instance where Chrono-Z is giving you valuable
information, rather than trolling.>>>

OK, yes, I understand meal bars in general are crap (anyone ever see the
Simpsons episode where Homer eats bars made out of Chinese newspapers?). I knew
they were crap before posting. I'm crossing over to LC from Slim Fast (read:
counting calories only) so meal supplements have been a staple for me for a
long time.

So...not going to stop eating them, but perhaps I'll cut back.

Dubious ingredients or not, I HAVE had a decent amount of weight loss. I was
just asking what brands are best.
carla - 29 Feb 2004 04:24 GMT
> > They are crap that will only make it worse. Dont eat them. Eat real food.
> > Easy concept.>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> counting calories only) so meal supplements have been a staple for me for a
> long time.

Well, I would think that one of the great advantages of low-carb over
SlimFast is that on low-carb, you get to eat actual food instead of having
to replace two meals a day with pricey, processed, vile-tasting substitute
items.  It seems like you are negating one of the best reasons to choose a
low-carb plan.  Just out of curiosity, why do you want to eat bars for two
meals a day?  Also just out of curiosity, why are you quitting SlimFast?

> So...not going to stop eating them, but perhaps I'll cut back.
>
> Dubious ingredients or not, I HAVE had a decent amount of weight loss. I was
> just asking what brands are best.

How long have you been eating the bars in place of meals?  Have you found
one that is edible?  Anyways, good luck to you whatever you choose to do.  I
can't really answer your question about brands.  I've tried the bars twice
(while traveling, in my case) and they always bordered on inedible, but
unfortunately I do not remember what brand they were or even if they were
both the same brand.  They were nasty.

carla
GiveMeABMW - 29 Feb 2004 04:43 GMT
Well, I would think that one of the great advantages of low-carb over
SlimFast is that on low-carb, you get to eat actual food instead of having
to replace two meals a day with pricey, processed, vile-tasting substitute
items.  It seems like you are negating one of the best reasons to choose a
low-carb plan.  Just out of curiosity, why do you want to eat bars for two
meals a day?  Also just out of curiosity, why are you quitting SlimFast?>>

With Slim Fast I was replacing two meals a day (it's how they tell you to do
it), I just carried that over to this for no reason other than habit. The only
difference is that now I don't eat pasta and junk food for dinner. :o
I've struggled with my weight since I was 9 (I'm 21 now) and though I'm very
good at losing weight I have a lot of trouble keeping it off. My last jump was
from 120 lbs. (where I was slender n' happy, at 5'5'') to 155. I'm down to 137
right now. Slim Fast helped me lose the weight but once I was done I'd go right
back to eating a ton...LC seems like the best way to change my "WOL," as y'all
say. Gaining weight is just too damn easy for me.

How long have you been eating the bars in place of meals?  Have you found
one that is edible?  Anyways, good luck to you whatever you choose to do.  I
can't really answer your question about brands.  I've tried the bars twice
(while traveling, in my case) and they always bordered on inedible, but
unfortunately I do not remember what brand they were or even if they were
both the same brand.  They were nasty.>>>

Oh, I've been eating meal bars of all kinds off and on for years.

The best one I've tried recently is the EAS Cookies & Cream, but in the last
few days I've really started tasting the chemicals in them. The Advantage
PB/Choc bar tastes fine, but afterward it made me feel so nauseous. The best
tasting kind I've had is not specifically low carb - Balance PB/Choc.

So...yeah. Obvious answer: eat regular food. It's actually kind of handy I'm
getting pummeled about this today because I've run out of bars. ;)
Luna - 29 Feb 2004 05:01 GMT
> Well, I would think that one of the great advantages of low-carb over
> SlimFast is that on low-carb, you get to eat actual food instead of having
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> So...yeah. Obvious answer: eat regular food. It's actually kind of handy I'm
> getting pummeled about this today because I've run out of bars. ;)

Wow!  I am almost jealous of you, because you are about to embark on a
whole new food journey.  If you switch to eating real, nutritious,
delicious low-carb foods, a few months from now you'll be all "I can't
believe I used to eat those ass-tasting bars!"  The bars have probably made
shopping and planning a lot easier for you, so it will take some
adjustment, but there are so many payoffs that make it worth it.

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Stargazer - 29 Feb 2004 11:31 GMT
> With Slim Fast I was replacing two meals a day (it's how they tell you to do
> it), I just carried that over to this for no reason other than habit. The only
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> back to eating a ton...LC seems like the best way to change my "WOL," as y'all
> say. Gaining weight is just too damn easy for me.

I think what you just said is a great reason to take a look at why you're on
LC in the first place, and why you're carrying over a habit that may or may
not be a good one for long-term success.

LC should be a lifetime-sustainable choice - something you can _live_ with
even when you've lost all the weight you want to lose.  You said you can
lose weight fine, but have trouble keeping it off.  (I'll add in here too
that I had the same problem - and let me also tell you that the older you
get, the harder it is to lose, especially after years of yo-yo dieting.  I
found that after 25 it got difficult, and after 30 very difficult.  I'm 36
now).  My question would be, do you really intend to replace two meals a day
with bars, for the rest of your life?  Is that going to be sustainable for
you?  I'm not trying to beat you up over this, just asking you questions
that you should ask yourself, really.

I'm single and I eat out a lot, which you might think makes LC difficult
(especially before some restaurants started catering to LC).  I found that
it didn't - there is almost no restaurant of any type where I can't find
_something_ allowable to eat (Chinese and Italian are probably the toughest,
but even there I can usually find something acceptable).  Having a good
internal knowledge of the general carb counts of foods (www.fitday.com can
help you learn them, or using the carb counter on the Atkins site) helps
when you're presented with food choices and don't have a guide handy.

There are lots of fast food choices available to you that are LC as well.
You can get sausage and eggs to go at McDonald's and other places.  You can
get salads at many fast food places, for lunch.  You can boil eggs and have
them ready to hand, just peel and eat.  You can fry up bacon in advance, it
will keep in the fridge probably longer than you can resist finishing it off
(if it's one of the foods you like), LOL.  You can have non-breakfast foods
for breakfast as well.

Another breakfast option are shakes - I occasionally make one using half
Atkins mix and half whey protein powder.  Unfortunately the Atkins mix has
also now switched to using sugar alcohol, as I just found out when I went to
buy some more (why they did that I don't know, I thought they were fine like
they were without them).  But at least it's in a lot smaller quantity in
those than is in any of the bars.  Some people here use flavored whey
protein powder (Designer Whey seems to be a favorite, which you can get at
any GNC or other health-food store), and some use unflavored whey and flavor
it themselves with sugar-free syrups (such as DaVinci).

Yet another 'on-the-go' breakfast option are 'Nutlettes To Go' - you can get
them from Atkins (www.atkinscenter.com) or Netrition (www.netrition.com).
They are individual packets of soy cereal with soy milk powder, just add
water (hot or cold).  With a little Splenda, I think they taste pretty good
(they're kind of like Grape Nuts cereal), and are pretty filling as well.  1
packet contains 12g carbs, 8g fiber so the net count is 4g (and 133 cals, 2g
fat, and 25g protein).

If you hang around here for a while, you'll get lots of great ideas about
things you can eat that will work for you and don't take a lot of prep or
can be prepared ahead of time.  For me the bars are okay as an occasional
treat (and I count all the SA's as carbs when I do eat them), but I find
that they don't really make good meal replacements at all.  I find that I
feel a lot better (and stay fuller longer) eating regular food.

Stargazer
Atkins since Apr '03
192/149/140
May - 29 Feb 2004 16:11 GMT
>> With Slim Fast I was replacing two meals a day (it's how they tell you to
>do
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>you?  I'm not trying to beat you up over this, just asking you questions
>that you should ask yourself, really.

Really well said. I'm an ex  lifelong yo-yo dieter; done the fasting
and meal replacements ad nauseum. First it was easy to lose, then a
little harder, then a lot harder. It was always super easy to regain!
I ate the bars when I started this time but lurking and listening here
it kinda sank into me that changing to real food might make a
difference in the regaining thing and so now I have replaced my meal
replacements with actual food. It seemed like a lot of trouble to me
at first; more thinking and work than I would care to do really. Three
months later I wonder why I thought that way. =) How tough is it to
take a baggie with some cheese cubes and lunch meat to work instead of
a bar, after all. It's scary to let go of habits that you know work
somewhat for you but this is one I've become convinced wasn't working
too well in the long run. I'm tired of dieting/needing to diet after
30ish years of it, and I don't care to spend the rest of my life
overweigh,t so it seems important to me to find a way to eat that will
be maintainable after the weight loss as well as during. The only
other thing I could add to this is that if you think it all out and do
wish to continue with meal replacement, you would probably do better
to stick with the shakes..making sure to check for sugar alcohol
content which it seems some brands (Atkins?) do have. Keto for one has
shakes which don't; and I think maybe the EAS advantage IIRC. They
also tend to be lower in calories. Good Luck
                      May

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Evelyn Ruut - 29 Feb 2004 13:21 GMT
> > They are crap that will only make it worse. Dont eat them. Eat real food.
> > Easy concept.>>>
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> Dubious ingredients or not, I HAVE had a decent amount of weight loss. I was
> just asking what brands are best.

The Atkins fudge almond is pretty good tasting, and when they were recently
tested they were found to actually have the amount of carbs in them that
were represented on the label.

As for shakes, the brands Advant-Edge or Atkins Advantage are decent too.
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Stargazer - 29 Feb 2004 02:17 GMT
> Are there any that actually taste good? I'm replacing 2 meals a day with them,
> but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good thing for weight
> loss, sure, but starvation isn't the way!).

Which plan are you following?  For example, Atkins does *not* recommend
using the bars as scheduled meal replacements, only as occasional
grab-on-the-go kind of thing (if you absolutely can't eat a real meal - the
idea being that it's better to eat one of those than risking a binge later
due to letting yourself get too hungry).

Low-carb isn't about starving yourself at all, nor is it about eating lots
of preprocessed food.  You'll usually find better results (both in lack of
cravings/hunger and speed of weight loss) by eating 'real' food such as
meat, eggs, oils, and green/yellow veggies.

> Are there any I should watch out for in terms of 'fuzzy math' in the carb
> count?

Pretty much all of them, depending.  They're usually filled with sugar
alcohols (usually maltitol), which affect different people in different
ways.  Some have found they cause a blood-sugar spike (as measured by their
glucometer) much like real sugar, which means they *are* being digested.
That being the case, if the label has subtracted the sugar
alcohols/glycerine from the overall carb count (or has claimed a 'net carb'
count that has subtracted them), then that's a false subtraction if your
body is digesting them and converting them to fuel.

Those who don't seem to be digesting them report other problems - mostly gas
and diarrhea.  So it would seem that if you're not getting gastric distress
from them, then you are digesting them.

And some report being able to eat them and still lose, and without showing
ill effects - so YMMV.  Just be aware that the sugar alcohols may well not
be 'subtracted' in your body even if they are on the label.

Stargazer
Atkins since Apr '03
192/149/140
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 29 Feb 2004 02:29 GMT
> Are there any that actually taste good? I'm replacing 2 meals a day with them,

why?

> but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good thing for weight
> loss, sure, but starvation isn't the way!).

maybe you should try eating food instead.
GiveMeABMW - 29 Feb 2004 02:34 GMT
Why are people so hostile on this board? Are you all hungry, or what?

(with the exception of the one person who has been helpful in this thread..a
thank you to that person)
kc - 29 Feb 2004 02:40 GMT
> Why are people so hostile on this board? Are you all hungry, or what?
>
> (with the exception of the one person who has been helpful in this thread..a
> thank you to that person)

you have to understand one thing.  for some folks, LC is a religion.  and
not a very tolerant one, at that.

there's decent info here, you just have to filter some folks out.

-kelly
Chrono-Z - 29 Feb 2004 02:41 GMT
We all told you the same thing. It's not our fault that someone had to dumb
down the concept and explain it to you point by point.

> Why are people so hostile on this board? Are you all hungry, or what?
>
> (with the exception of the one person who has been helpful in this thread..a
> thank you to that person)
GiveMeABMW - 29 Feb 2004 02:46 GMT
We all told you the same thing. It's not our fault that someone had to dumb
down the concept and explain it to you point by point.>>

I don't question *what* you said, I question how you (the collective you, don't
get all huffy) said it.

However...I would say you gave the dumbed down account, not the helpful person
(whose name I can't remember, sorry).
Chrono-Z - 29 Feb 2004 02:51 GMT
Boohoo, I didn't anwser your stupid question with a smile. Don't ask stupid
questions if you dont want a chide remark.

> We all told you the same thing. It's not our fault that someone had to dumb
> down the concept and explain it to you point by point.>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> However...I would say you gave the dumbed down account, not the helpful person
> (whose name I can't remember, sorry).
GiveMeABMW - 29 Feb 2004 02:54 GMT
Boohoo, I didn't anwser your stupid question with a smile. Don't ask stupid
questions if you dont want a chide remark.>>>

I'll take that as your apology.

Run along, little one. ;-]
marengo - 29 Feb 2004 04:13 GMT
| Boohoo, I didn't anwser your stupid question with a smile. Don't ask
| stupid questions if you dont want a chide remark.
sorry).

This is a support group.  If you can't be supportive, then take your toys
and go home; we don't want to play with you.
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PlacidBull - 29 Feb 2004 02:56 GMT
*smile* another person to add to my "block sender" list

Chrono-Z there is no reason to talk to anyone on this board in that manner
... clean up your act!

Placid

> We all told you the same thing. It's not our fault that someone had to dumb
> down the concept and explain it to you point by point.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> thread..a
> > thank you to that person)
Chrono-Z - 29 Feb 2004 03:02 GMT
Seriosuly, anyone else that is a pansy a.s like these too, free feel to lick
my taint then killfile me. Since we are on the subject of "the manner I talk
to people on this board" isnt it pretty retarded to request I "clean up my
act" if i'm on your killfile anyway? Also I find it interesting that you are
the self appointed board of proper manner on this board. Further more
telling someone you put them on your killfile is just a stupid to begin
with. Is it supposed to be hurtful? Am I supposed to be taken back by the
sheer velocity of being placed on someones killfile that lacks a backbone or
common sense to the issue at hand? In closing eat me FlacidBull (i am low in
carbs).

> *smile* another person to add to my "block sender" list
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> > thread..a
> > > thank you to that person)
Luna - 29 Feb 2004 03:22 GMT
> Why are people so hostile on this board? Are you all hungry, or what?
>
> (with the exception of the one person who has been helpful in this thread..a
> thank you to that person)

I don't think they're hostile towards you, I think they're hostile towards
those bars.  The bars are:

1. Expensive
2. Bad tasting
3. Usually full of sugar alcohols which companies claim do not impact blood
sugar, but there's evidence they could be wrong, and they do cause diarrhea
in a lot of people
4. Not helpful in creating a lifelong, livable eating plan

Plus, imo, one of the wonderful things about low-carb eating is that there
are so many delicious real foods available.  It's not like low-fat where
all the flavor is gone, so why subject yourself to the kinds of tasteless
foods that low-fatters have to live with?

Also, again imo, "real" foods, "whole" foods, are much more psychologically
satisfying than overprocessed chemistry experiment "food" products.

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marengo - 29 Feb 2004 04:09 GMT
| Why are people so hostile on this board? Are you all hungry, or what?
|
| (with the exception of the one person who has been helpful in this
| thread..a thank you to that person)

This isn't a "board," it's a usenet newsgroup.
It's not hostility, it's honesty.

You asked a question; they have answered it forthrightly -- albeit a bit
bluntly.  Surely you woudln't rather be told a feel-good platitude rather
than the truth?  That wouldn't help you lose weight!  These people have all
tried the low-carb bars, and know that as a whole the bars are an extremely
poor product, both in taste and nutrition.  Many of us have found this out
the hard way.  Your answer is that, unfortunately, there is no "good" brand.
They are all crap to one degree or another.

The admonition to eat 'real food' is not hostile; it's the most helpful,
sincere answer to your question.
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GiveMeABMW - 29 Feb 2004 04:25 GMT
This isn't a "board," it's a usenet newsgroup.
It's not hostility, it's honesty.>>>

Egads. I'm tired of this thread.

The only part I'll correct is that for me it is a board, because I'm on AOL.
JC Der Koenig - 29 Feb 2004 10:24 GMT
Which part is worse for you, being fat or being stupid?

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Someone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating
800-1000 calories/day.

In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain.

Lyle

> This isn't a "board," it's a usenet newsgroup.
> It's not hostility, it's honesty.>>>
>
> Egads. I'm tired of this thread.
>
> The only part I'll correct is that for me it is a board, because I'm on AOL.
Rebecca - 29 Feb 2004 17:10 GMT
> Why are people so hostile on this board? Are you all hungry, or what?

No, not at all.  In fact, if you eat low carb the way you're supposed
to, you won't be hungry either, and you will lose weight.  If you follow
the path you're heading in, you will continue to be hungry and you will
continue to binge whenever you get the chance, and you will continue to
look forward to "getting off the diet" so you can eat again.  Thereby
continuing the cycle of lose and gain you're stuck in.

> (with the exception of the one person who has been helpful in this thread..a
> thank you to that person)

What can they do when they get a question from someone who is asking for
their advice, who is obviously heading in the wrong direction?  You
asked for it.

First of all, the low carb bars were not designed to be replacements for
meals in the same way the SlimFast bars were.  They do not even try to
replace the vitamins and other nutrients that you need from the fuel you
take in.  You are wrong to call them "meal bars".

Now on to the real message you should be listening to.

Imagine being able to eat whenever you want.  To eat from a wide variety
of real foods.  To never be hungry again!  And still lose weight.
That's what these people are trying to tell you about, and you are
calling them hostile.

I was exactly where you are now, a couple of years ago.  I had hit a
peak at a bit over 160, and prefer my weight to be somewhere between 120
and 125.  I had struggled my way down to about 135 using various
methods.  I went low carb and lost the last 12 pounds in 3 1/2 weeks.  I
have kept it off even though I am never hungry.  I eat well, I feed my
family well, and I often feed people other than my family this way.

Part of the reason why as we get older our weight becomes harder and
harder to get off is that our bodies get used to being in starvation
mode - since that's what most diets subject our bodies to.  Our
metabolism goes down and we burn less calories for all activities.  When
you go back to eating real food on a frequent basis, as in when you "go
off a diet" you gain weight more and more easily.  Believe me, this has
happened to almost all of us.

Eating low carb allows you to eat when you're hungry and keep your
metabolism up where it belongs.  It's really quite wonderful and is so
much more healthy for you.

Read the Atkins book to learn what low carb is really all about.  Read
this newsgroup to get specific ideas about what to eat throughout the
day.  It can be a lot easier than you think.

Good luck,
Rebecca
Martha Gallagher - 29 Feb 2004 22:30 GMT
> > Why are people so hostile on this board? Are you all hungry, or what?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> look forward to "getting off the diet" so you can eat again.  Thereby
> continuing the cycle of lose and gain you're stuck in.

I think two meal replacements a day is too much. But, I've had good
experiences having a strive bar for breakfast. If anything, I find that I
am far more satisfied after having one of them than I would be if I had a
yogurt or one of the other things I'm likely to have for breakfast.

> > (with the exception of the one person who has been helpful in this thread..a
> > thank you to that person)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> replace the vitamins and other nutrients that you need from the fuel you
> take in.  You are wrong to call them "meal bars".

Actually, there are a number of low carb meal replacement bars that are
formulated with the intention of being eaten in place of a meal. Most of
the ones for which I have input the nutritional info into fitday are
actually full of vitamins and minerals. Certainly not subtantially less
nutritious on that front than an ordinary meal which will be high in some
nutrients, but low in others.

To the OP - Strive Bars are good.  I think the Atkins Peanut Butter MRBs
are ok, but never could get behind their cinnamon breakfast bars.

Martha

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FOB - 29 Feb 2004 03:14 GMT
My favorite is Keto Oatmeal and Raisin, not overly sweet or covered with
gooey chocolate.  Good for breakfast.  They do contain glycerine whose carbs
should probably be counted, at least partially.

In news:20040228203729.12138.00000590@mb-m02.aol.com,
GiveMeABMW <givemeabmw@aol.com> stated
| Are there any that actually taste good? I'm replacing 2 meals a day
| with them, but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
|
| Thanks:=]
carla - 29 Feb 2004 03:16 GMT
> Are there any that actually taste good? I'm replacing 2 meals a day with them,
> but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good thing for weight
> loss, sure, but starvation isn't the way!).

You are going to get a lot of aggressive responses to this - some of them
will be harsh, but most of them will be correct.  Let me try to give you a
distilled, flame-free version:  you may not be doing yourself any favors by
replacing real, whole foods in your diet with these kind of concoctions.
They are highly processed and full of dubious ingredients.  They will likely
leave you hungry and stall your weight loss.  Different people have
different experiences, of course.  Some people don't touch these.
Personally I have eaten low carb bars once or twice in a pinch and found
that they were quite vile.  I suspect you won't find eating them for two
meals a day is palatable enough to be sustainable for longer than a few
days.

> Are there any I should watch out for in terms of 'fuzzy math' in the carb
> count?

As I understand it, virtually all brands contain sugar alcohols, to which
some people react with stomach problems, and which some people metabolize as
carbohydrates.  Try googling "sugar alcohols" in the archives for this
newsgroup and you will read more debates on the topic than you probably can
imagine.

carla
Crafting Mom - 29 Feb 2004 04:09 GMT
> Are there any that actually taste good? I'm replacing 2 meals a day with
> them, but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good thing for
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>
> Thanks:=]

If the bars don't taste very good, you would probably be better off
with some real groceries and recipes for on the go (if time is an
issue for you).  There's an abundance of delicious food out there
that truly does taste better than a manufactured product with a
shelf life into the next millenium :)

Best of luck though, if this is not an option.
CM
J Costello - 29 Feb 2004 04:19 GMT
Why are you replacing two meals a day with them?  Are you trying low
carb/low fat?  That's not a good idea as one helpful person in an earlier
post answered.  See the Atkins web page:
http://atkins.com/helpatkins/newfaq/answers/CanIDoALowFatVersionOfAtkins.htm
l if that's your plan.

I tried them earlier in my WOE and found that my weight loss stalls and I
get a permanent residence in the bathroom when I eat them.  I learned my
lesson by listening to the experienced folks here on the NG and went back
and re-read my DANDR a couple of times.  I get it now and am happily on my
way to losing without buying all kinds of pre-packaged 'low carb' products.

BTW, didn't ever find any good tasting ones.

J Costello
243/219/160

> Are there any that actually taste good? I'm replacing 2 meals a day with them,
> but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good thing for weight
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>
> Thanks:=]
curt - 29 Feb 2004 13:45 GMT
All I can say is you are making a mistake!  You are eating garbage and you
should stop now.  I know that low carb bars are BS.  There are ways of
hiding carbs and they are just processed foods, if you want to call it that.
If you don't have time to make food, make it the night before or take some
lettuce and a can of tuna or something.  You are making a big mistake eating
that crap!  Sorry, but there can be nothing good about eating those twice a
day.

Curt

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Jenny - 29 Feb 2004 15:45 GMT
The quality of nutrients in the bars is very poor. If you are replacing 2
meals with them you are asking for malnutrition.

Plus, with all the glycerine and sugar alcohols in them, with 2 bars a day
you are actually taking in at least 40 grams of carbs, and are losing the
benefits of low carbing.

EAT FOOD!!!!!!!

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hba1c 5.2.
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Tracey - 29 Feb 2004 16:21 GMT
> Are there any that actually taste good?
Nope.  They are all nasty tasting.

I'm replacing 2 meals a day with them,
> but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good thing for weight
> loss, sure, but starvation isn't the way!).

WHY???  You are much better off eating real food.  If you do choose to eat
these nasty low carb bars, they should only be an occasional thing.  I can'
t imagine eating them 2X per day...there practically no nutrition in them.

> Are there any I should watch out for in terms of 'fuzzy math' in the carb
> count?

Yes, the sugar alcohols may (or may not) be metabolized by your body as
'regular' carbs, and they might atually make you gain weight.  Besides that,
many many people have a bad reaction to the amounts of sugar alchols in
these bars that results in gas, diarreah, cramping and bloating.

Instead of using these to replace two meals, eat sensibly.   Add lots of
low carb veggies like salad, eggs, meats, nuts etc to your diet.  Real food.
Sprgtime - 29 Feb 2004 18:09 GMT
I would suggest, if possible, that you eat real food instead of meal
replacement bars.  Have you completed your induction phase?

That said... I have been eating LC meal replacement bars for lunch at work.
I tried a few other "real food" suggestions first, but... the bars are
working best for my particular (and I believe unique) situation.  I got
lucky in that the first brand I tried (it was on sale) I liked.  Now I've
tried some other brands and all of them pale in comparison to the first one.
I think the brand name is "Think Thin" Low Carb Diet meal replacement. I
like the Brownie Crunch the best. :)  I've tried their other flavors... they
all kind of taste the same, although they smell different (the strawberry
one smells like strawberries, but it looks and tastes pretty much the same
as the brownie bar).

--
Spring
LC since 1/1/04
260/228/170

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Chet Hayes - 02 Mar 2004 14:22 GMT
> I would suggest, if possible, that you eat real food instead of meal
> replacement bars.  Have you completed your induction phase?
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> one smells like strawberries, but it looks and tastes pretty much the same
> as the brownie bar).

Hmmm, a very reasonable and well thought out approach, in contrast to
the usual anti-LC product Nazis.

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> Spring
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A. Brown - 02 Mar 2004 03:06 GMT
> Are there any that actually taste good? I'm replacing 2 meals a day
> with them, but I'm starting to dread meal time (which might be a good
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> Thanks:=]

Sorry, I don't eat them, and I agree with everyone else who says
you should really avoid them.

But... I did read something in a magazine recently (Time? Newsweek?)
that listed a few low-carb "power bars" (I don't know if those are
the same as "meal bars"?) that were supposedly pretty decent-tasting.

The only one I remember them mentioning was the Pria CarbSelect peanut
butter one, I think that was the top rated one.

As far as 'fuzzy math'... not only do the manufacturers use a lot of
it, but they can pretty well put anything they want on the label.
There is no verification of label information - manufacturers are just
"expected" to put the real numbers on them, but a lot of lying goes
on (not just limited to low-carb, by the way).

Check out this article concerning tests done by Florida Agriculture
and Consumer Services:

http://www.t-tapp.com/articles/labels/default.asp

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kc - 03 Mar 2004 20:42 GMT
> But... I did read something in a magazine recently (Time? Newsweek?)
> that listed a few low-carb "power bars" (I don't know if those are
> the same as "meal bars"?) that were supposedly pretty decent-tasting.
>
> The only one I remember them mentioning was the Pria CarbSelect peanut
> butter one, I think that was the top rated one.

i recently bought a case of the Pria Carb Select bars at Costco, and they're
simply delicious.  i often grab one for breakfast on the way to work,
because i don't have time to cook.  they're possibly the best bars i've
tasted.  they're only 150-170 calories, so that may not be a whole breakfast
for everyone, but it works for me.  they're also fortified with calcium,
folic acid, and other things that women are likely to need (they're marketed
to women).

-kelly
 
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