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Does your body use sugar-alcohols?

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Perry S. - 29 Feb 2004 17:21 GMT
I am confused as to what your body does with sugar-alcohols.  Does it use
them but not raise your insulin level, therefore slowing down weight loss
but not adding weight or does it not use them at all?  It seems when I use
products with sugar-alcohols I am not loosing weight.  I don't gain but I
also don't seem to loose.
perry@thegrid.net
PlacidBull - 29 Feb 2004 17:34 GMT
I wonder if sugar alcohol is processed the same way as regular alcohol ???
The metabolism uses it first for energy, thus lowering the fat burning
process ??? Any endocrinologists in the group ???

Placid

> I am confused as to what your body does with sugar-alcohols.  Does it use
> them but not raise your insulin level, therefore slowing down weight loss
> but not adding weight or does it not use them at all?  It seems when I use
> products with sugar-alcohols I am not loosing weight.  I don't gain but I
> also don't seem to loose.
> perry@thegrid.net
Doug Freyburger - 01 Mar 2004 14:53 GMT
> I wonder if sugar alcohol is processed the same way as regular alcohol ???
> The metabolism uses it first for energy, thus lowering the fat burning
> process ??? Any endocrinologists in the group ???

It doesn't take an endocrinologist.

Sugar alcohols aren't digested by "human digestive enzymes".  That's
one of the reasons companies are so quick to claim their carbs are
absorbed by no one.  They have that technicality to hang their hat on.

The trouble is there is more to digestion than human enzymes.  Sugar
alchols ARE digested by enzymes from our intestinal bacteria.  They
get some, we get some.  But that's the way it is for ALL foods.  All
foods are partially absorbed by our instestinal bacertia.  It's how
they live in symbiosis.  They help us digest; we give them the raw
foods.

Here's a fun part.  Sugar alcohols are digested by intestinal bacteria
not by intestinal yeast.  So why do folks with yeast problems have
more issues than folks without?  Shrug.  Don't know.

The question with alcohol is what biochemical process is used to get
rid of it use it is already in the blood.  The question with sugar
alcohols is what biochemical process allows it to get digested to make
it into the blood.  For most purposes the word "alcohol" in
"sugar alcohol" is like the word "pine" in "pineapple".  Descriptive
only.
Bob M - 02 Mar 2004 01:56 GMT
>> I wonder if sugar alcohol is processed the same way as regular alcohol
>> ???
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> "sugar alcohol" is like the word "pine" in "pineapple".  Descriptive
> only.

See:

http://www.1st-sugar-free-products.com/polyols.htm

Maltitol is produced by the catalytic hydrogenation of a special high
maltose corn syrup that transforms the maltose to the sugar alcohol
maltitol. Maltitol powders or syrups range from 50 to 89% in maltitol
purity. Maltitol has no aftertaste like some of the other polyols. Like
other polyols, maltitol is slowly absorbed by the system. Maltitol is not
a mono- or di-saccharide like common sugar and has different physical
properties than those of sugars. The sweetness level of maltitol is about
90% that of sugar. Maltitol provides 3.0 calories per gram compared to
approximately 4.0 calories per gram for sugar. Replacing all of the sugar
in a product with maltitol powder results in a calorie reduction between
12 to 15%.

I personally find these products, depending on what they're in (ice cream
= OK; chocolate = very bad), to give me terrible gas and cramps.

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DigitalVinyl - 29 Feb 2004 18:00 GMT
Here's a quick summary on Sugar Alcohols. There probably isn't enough
research on them to know all the effects, but here is one source of
info.

from  http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/shafer/sweeteners.pdf
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Mannitol, maltitol, lactitol, xylitol, sorbitol, hydrogenated starch
hydrolysate, and isomalt are all sugar alcohols. Sugar alcohols don’t
contain sugar or alcohol, but they are a type of carbohydrate. Sugar
alcohols don’t impact the blood sugar AS MUCH AS regular sugars, but
THEY DO still eventually produce some glucose in the blood. Since
sugar alcohols aren’t technically a form of sugar, products sweetened
with sugar alcohols can boast that they are “sugar-free.” That doesn’t
necessarily mean the product is “carbohydrate-free” or “low calorie.”
Most chocolates that are sweetened with sugar alcohols have just as
much fat, calories, and total carbohydrate as regular chocolate
candies. However, sugar alcohols don’t promote tooth decay.

Sugar alcohols may have a laxative effect, causing gas, bloating, and
diarrhea. Tolerance varies from one individual to the next but is
usually related to the amount of sugar alcohol consumed.
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>I am confused as to what your body does with sugar-alcohols.  Does it use
>them but not raise your insulin level, therefore slowing down weight loss
>but not adding weight or does it not use them at all?  It seems when I use
>products with sugar-alcohols I am not loosing weight.  I don't gain but I
>also don't seem to loose.
>perry@thegrid.net

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TavliGal - 29 Feb 2004 18:56 GMT
>> I am confused as to what your body does with sugar-alcohols.  Does
>> it use them but not raise your insulin level, therefore slowing down
>> weight loss but not adding weight or does it not use them at all?
>> It seems when I use products with sugar-alcohols I am not loosing
>> weight.  I don't gain but I also don't seem to loose.
>> perry@thegrid.net

Hi Perry,
It seems I'm one of the few where sugar alcohols do not affect me.  I've
tested myself on my mother's glucometer and my blood sugar stays stable for
at least 2 and 1/2 hours after I eat a bar or something.  I also continue to
lose weight on them.  If I do eat one though, I will count the sugar
alcohols as carbs because they ARE carbs and should be counted as such
whether you lose weight on them or not.  I personally only deduct the fibre.
I also count my calories and at this weight I average anywhere between
2000-2200 calories per day.  I love fitday :)
HTH,
Monica
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Stargazer - 29 Feb 2004 21:22 GMT
> >> I am confused as to what your body does with sugar-alcohols.  Does
> >> it use them but not raise your insulin level, therefore slowing down
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> tested myself on my mother's glucometer and my blood sugar stays stable for
> at least 2 and 1/2 hours after I eat a bar or something.

Actually, if I understand this correctly...if you're not diabetic yourself,
you wouldn't see much (if any) rise on a glucometer anyway, even if you ate
pure sugar.  If your pancreas are producing like they're supposed to,
they'll crank out enough insulin to keep your blood sugar regulated in
response to whatever you eat - which should keep any big spike from
happening.  The glucometer only measures blood glucose level, what it can't
tell you is how big your insulin response to what you ate was (which would
be the true measure of how much your body is 'responding' to sugar alcohols,
if you aren't diabetic).  That's what I've always understood about how all
that works anyway, I could be wrong (and hopefully someone will correct me
if I am, <g>).
TavliGal - 29 Feb 2004 22:38 GMT
>>> Perry S. wrote:
>>>>> I am confused as to what your body does with sugar-alcohols.  Does
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>> all that works anyway, I could be wrong (and hopefully someone will
>> correct me if I am, <g>).

Hi Star,
Before I started this way of eating, I was pre-diabetic.  My fasting blood
sugar on the last test I had, (which was about 2 years ago) was (I think) in
the high range.  My doc was concerned about it and wanted to do further
tests and gave me the requisition to do it, but I didn't.  Finally just last
week I went to get them checked again and  I find out the results when I go
back to her on Thursday.  I'll keep you posted.  I've always had regular
blood work done because of a hormonal imbalance that i used to have.
Anyhow, since that test, i've always been self testing on my mother's
glucometer.  After a regular meal (which would probably consists of 70% +
carbs) my blood sugar would go up to 10 or 13 (sorry, I know that the
canadian numbers are different than american when testing blood sugar
levels.  The normal range in Canadian values I believe are 4.9 - 7.0 +/- ,
It's posted on the fridge but can't remember the exact number offhand.  I
also had a nasty habit of skipping breakfast, running on coffee w/cream and
honey till  I eat at 2 or 3 pm., and by then I'm STARVING; therefore I'd
gorge out on carbs and have major cravings because I'd wait so long to eat.
I always had such terrible eating habits and my blood sugars showed it.
Since I've been low carbing now for almost 6 weeks, my blood sugars have
stayed in the normal range after a meal, even after eating an advantage bar.
Thank God.  But like I said, I do count them as carbs and I only deduct the
fibre.
I can't wait to see my results on Thursday, though I fear I may have done
them too soon, from what I've read.  Aside from some hormone levels being
too high, I've never had any other problems with cholesterol and blood
pressure.
And that is the gist of my health, which I am determined to continue
improving.  My doctor is very pleased I'm low carbing btw, and she has no
problem with Atkins and says her husband has lost 80 lbs that way.
Monica :)

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Chet Hayes - 01 Mar 2004 13:11 GMT
> >> I am confused as to what your body does with sugar-alcohols.  Does
> >> it use them but not raise your insulin level, therefore slowing down
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> at least 2 and 1/2 hours after I eat a bar or something.  I also continue to
> lose weight on them.  

There are lots of us that use these products in moderation and
continue to lose weight.  We get ignored, yet whenever someone reports
they stalled and that they used some products containing sugar
alcohols, the product is immeadiately assumed to be the culprit.  Yet,
we all know that lots of people on here have had problems losing
weight, stalls, etc, with or without sugar alcohols.

The few studies done so far tend to support the manufacturer's claims
that they have a minimal impact on blood sugar levels on normal test
subjects.  We certainly could use more testing though.

If I do eat one though, I will count the sugar
> alcohols as carbs because they ARE carbs and should be counted as such
> whether you lose weight on them or not.  I personally only deduct the fibre.
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Doug Freyburger - 01 Mar 2004 21:08 GMT
> There are lots of us that use these products in moderation and
> continue to lose weight.  We get ignored, yet whenever someone reports
> they stalled and that they used some products containing sugar
> alcohols, the product is immeadiately assumed to be the culprit.  Yet,
> we all know that lots of people on here have had problems losing
> weight, stalls, etc, with or without sugar alcohols.

Right.  There's a time to try it, when the risk makes sense.  It's just
that that time isn't at the start.  It's after you've found your Atkins
CCLL or when you're a couple of months into other plans.

Bars are high risk for stalls.  Risk is avoided early on, and high is
added back in gradually later on.
Jenny - 29 Feb 2004 21:04 GMT
Perry,

My body turns maltitol into blood sugar, which I can see on my blood sugar
meter. It appears that every gram of maltitol turns into 3/4 gram of glucose
based on what I've read and seen on my meter.

Lacitol is better though the info on the label of the Hershey's candy says
to count it as 1/2 a gram of carb when counting for diabetes, so I assume
that is how it works.

Glycerol also acts like sugar in my body.

Erythritol is supposed to be the very lowest in terms of how much glucose it
turns into.

The sugar alcohols all take longer to hit the blood stream, but the claim
that they do not raise insulin appears to be bogus.  They do raise blood
sugar, eventually and when blood sugar rises you get an insulin release.

So my advice, is count the carbs in these sugar alcohols as follows: Count a
gram of maltitol as 3/4s of a gram of carb, a gram of   Lacitol as .5 gram
per gram on the label and a gram of Erythritol as almost none

With that in mind, you can see why those bars with 20 grams of maltitol
haven't been helping your low carb dieting.

-- Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
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> I am confused as to what your body does with sugar-alcohols.  Does it use
> them but not raise your insulin level, therefore slowing down weight loss
> but not adding weight or does it not use them at all?  It seems when I use
> products with sugar-alcohols I am not loosing weight.  I don't gain but I
> also don't seem to loose.
> perry@thegrid.net
Doug Freyburger - 01 Mar 2004 02:05 GMT
> I am confused as to what your body does with sugar-alcohols.

*MY* body?  It digests sugar alcohol and absorbs it in about the
70-80% range.  Once I knew my Atkins CCLL and had complete control
over my ketosis, I had the tools to make that estimate.  I did
the experiment and got roughly 75% absorbtion.

How *my* body reacts isn't all that important to how *your* body
will react.  You will only be able to estimate if you can deduct
any at all and how much once you know your Atkins CCLL and you
have complete control over being in ketosis.  Without that, you
have no way to estimate so you can believe the lying label that
everyone can deduct to 0%, or you can believe all of those who
do absorb the carbs and decide to be conservative and count them
at 100%.

> It seems when I use
> products with sugar-alcohols I am not loosing weight.  I don't gain but I
> also don't seem to loose.

Sure.  They are the number one entry in the stall-cause hit parade.
No surprise that your loss stopped cold when you started them, just
like so many others.
 
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