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Newbe ?? SouthBeach or Atkins ??

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Ron Coffey - 01 Mar 2004 12:20 GMT
I need to start one or the other. Which do you recommend?
tia,
Ron
Bear - 01 Mar 2004 14:12 GMT
Hey Ron-
I started out looking to do South Beach. After reading this NG and examining
both W'sOE I have come to using Atkins. I'm sure down  the road I will be
tayloring Atkins to fit me more personally but for now I'm following it
closely.
What made me decide on Atkins was the potential for eating too many carbs on
SB. Because he adds in things like fruit and oatmeal so early on, I think I
would just slide right back into eating those things and worse. You really
have to look at both and decide which one you'll stick to. I find Atkins
very easy this time around. I tried it a few years back, when I had about 20
pounds to lose and I couldn't get through even 1 week. This time, I stuck it
out through the Inuction Flu and I'm so glad I did. I've been losing at a
good rate, have never been hungry and have few cravings. If you cook both
plans are easy to follow and this NG is blessed with many fine cooks who are
willing to share their recipes and experience.
Hope this helps. Good luck. Let us know what you decide and join in the
discussion. If you're not used to usenet, just remember that people are
often blunt. Some of the folks here seem cranky and mean, but they're really
trying to be helpful. So give them the benefit of the doubt and your blood
pressure won't skyrocket.

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> I need to start one or the other. Which do you recommend?
> tia,
> Ron
Debra D - 01 Mar 2004 15:41 GMT
I also have tried both and think atkins is easier, has more choices, and
seems easier to stick too longer.
Debra
DoughBoy - 01 Mar 2004 15:42 GMT
> I need to start one or the other. Which do you recommend?

I would recommend reading both of the books and developing your own opinion
about what would fit best in your lifestyle.

I've read both books.  While there is a lot of good information in the South
Beach Diet book, I don't think it is for me.  IMO it takes a lot more
personal will power and personal choice to follow it.  Reading the ideas
behind SB has its basis in good/bad carbs, glycemic index, and mixing foods
for slower absorption into the body and more stable blood chemistry.  The
'rules' are a lot more blurred than most diets.

Personally, I like Atkins more.  It seems to have more of a set plan, less
of a 'thinking man' diet.  Follow the set rules and you'll do well.
Marcusj - 01 Mar 2004 17:33 GMT
I would also recommend reading both and deciding which sounds best-suited to
you.
I do find a lot more "attitude" among those who are on South Beach than
those on Atkins.
YMMV, but my experience has been that those on South Beach are quick to
condemn Atkins, but those on Atkins are generally accepting of South Beach.
I don't see that attitude in this newsgroup, but I see it often in person.

I'll likely get flamed for that, it's just been my experience.
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> > I need to start one or the other. Which do you recommend?
>
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> Personally, I like Atkins more.  It seems to have more of a set plan, less
> of a 'thinking man' diet.  Follow the set rules and you'll do well.
Ron Coffey - 02 Mar 2004 02:17 GMT
My wife has been on both and found SB to be the choice for her. I figured it
would be good to try it first since she would be doing most of the food
preparation. She is wonderful about fixing me whatever I want but I know I
need this and I know it would be easier for the both of us if we both were
on it together.....GEEEEZE....I think I'm getting a tear...
Thanks for your help and you'll be hearing from me in the future.
Ron :^)
> I would also recommend reading both and deciding which sounds best-suited to
> you.
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> > Personally, I like Atkins more.  It seems to have more of a set plan, less
> > of a 'thinking man' diet.  Follow the set rules and you'll do well.
Marcusj - 02 Mar 2004 14:57 GMT
Good luck with it!
You're right, if your wife is doing SB it would definitely be easiest if you
do the same.
My wife and I are both on Atkins; it would be very difficult if we had two
different WOEs.

Mark.

> My wife has been on both and found SB to be the choice for her. I figured it
> would be good to try it first since she would be doing most of the food
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> > > of a 'thinking man' diet.  Follow the set rules and you'll do well.
Merryl - 02 Mar 2004 17:22 GMT
> I need to start one or the other. Which do you recommend?
> tia,
> Ron

I've been low-carbing for a week now (and toying with it for a month),
and I had that same thought before I started.

I read Atkins and South Beach.  What I'm eating right now is more
Atkins-y than South Beach-y, but I'm incorporating principles of both
to decide what I eat.  Here are some things I decided:

- Trans-fat is a bad thing.  I try not to eat it.
- I need to never let myself get too hungry, or I will have trouble
controlling what I eat.
- It's better to eat saturated fat than simple carbs.  If a wad of
cream cheese will stop me from downing that sugar-laden chocolate bar,
eat the cream cheese.
- In these first two weeks, carbs are dangerous.  Be careful with
them.  I'm picking only carbs that come with a lot of fiber right now.

I'm likely to stay a bit more Atkins-y as I go.  I am allergic to
quite a lot of raw fruits and veggies, so going with fewer fruits
isn't that much of a sacrifice.  (I *am* looking forward to next week
when I can add grapes back to my diet, though!)

I'm not very much into weighing and measuring, so I'm not actually
counting my carbs as Atkins directs.  But judging from my keto strips,
I'm well into ketosis so I'm not overeating those.  I'm using the
South Beach food lists to guide my choices for carbs.  Next week I
plan to add some friut and high fiber bread, and find out how carbs
affect me.

At this point, I feel that I'm too new to tell others what to do.  I
hope that these thoughts help you decide, though!
Ron Coffey - 03 Mar 2004 02:16 GMT
Bread ?...You mean I can eat Bread again? I love bread and my wife says that
is a no no...
I love and miss toast with jam on it in the mornings......I need to change
the subject !!
thanks,
Ron
> > I need to start one or the other. Which do you recommend?
> > tia,
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> At this point, I feel that I'm too new to tell others what to do.  I
> hope that these thoughts help you decide, though!
Merryl - 03 Mar 2004 17:40 GMT
> Bread ?...You mean I can eat Bread again? I love bread and my wife says that
> is a no no...
> I love and miss toast with jam on it in the mornings......I need to change
> the subject !!
> thanks,
> Ron

You have to be careful with bread.  Wimpy low-fiber white bread is a
no no.  High fiber whole grain bread is OK if you're careful.
Sourdough is also an OK choice, because of how acidic it is.  The
fiber and the acid reduces the glycemic load of the bread, so your
blood sugar doesn't shoot up too fast and trigger an inappropriate
insulin response.

The South Beach book says that if you're going to eat a bad carb like
white bread or white potato, eating it WITH fats makes it less bad.
This isn't a diet so much as a philosophy for making choices about
what you eat, so you can't say that anything is "off" the diet
completely!  But, sadly, having toast and jam in the morning is a very
bad thing... but having a piece of toast with BUTTER with your eggs
and bacon is OK if it's not too many carbs for you for the day.

Those who've been at this longer, please feel free to correct me!

Eventually you can eat a small portion of any food you really want.
You can even take a "vacation" meal and eat whatever you want, just as
long as you get back on the diet after!  If your cravings come back,
you go back on Induction or Phase 1 or whatever for a few days or a
week until you're back in control.

I just know it's really really important NOT to do any of those things
during the first two weeks.  You have to be good then... but only for
2 weeks.
Ron Coffey - 03 Mar 2004 22:18 GMT
It has been surprisingly easy so far. No cravings...at least not real bad
ones. I appreciate all your help and ideas in this group.
thanks,
Ron
> > Bread ?...You mean I can eat Bread again? I love bread and my wife says that
> > is a no no...
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> during the first two weeks.  You have to be good then... but only for
> 2 weeks.
DG511 - 05 Mar 2004 15:46 GMT
Jumping in a couple of days late:

I'm with those who say you should read both books and decide.  Only you know
which will feel right for you, and only you know which WOE you're more likely
to stick to.

I also don't believe there's a one-size-fits-all diet.  My significant other
lost 65 pounds on Weight Watchers, for example.  He'd have been horrible on
Atkins or SB, because he doesn't have a sense of satiety.  On the other hand, I
couldn't do WW because my problem is less how much I eat and more what I eat.
So it was obvious that I needed to go low-carb.

One thing I did while reading the books was to drop sugar immediately.  There
was no need to wait.  And just by dropping refined sugar, I lost 8 pounds
before I officially started dieting!

I ended up writing my own maintenance eating plan, my own induction plan, and
my own transition plan.  It's more SB than Atkins, but the main thing is it's
challenging and yet I know I'll stick with it.

Good luck!

Daria
166/150/140
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04
Jean S. Barto - 05 Mar 2004 16:19 GMT
Hello Daria--

When you say *sugar*--do you mean stopping adding sugar to your coffee, for
instance, or do you also mean not eating stuff with lots of sugar in it
(such as soda pop, fruit juices, etc)?  I'm asking because I also have a
small amount of weight to lose as compared to others in the group--and have
not had any success at all in staying low-carb, or in even losing any
weight.  The best I can say is that I've only gained 2.5 lbs since
Christmas.

So many of the folks on the newsgroup have a lot more to lose than we
do--and I do think that men, and also women with 100 lbs or more to lose,
can lose weight faster than we do--and as a result what works for them
doesn't work for us--or, for it to work with us, we have to add in more
exercise, or actually start tracking calories taken in.

What other things are you doing to assist in your weight loss?  I'm walking
45 to 60 minutes a day, but obviously I'm not exercising at a high enough
intensity to burn enough calories needed to start losing weight.  I have a
running injury so sustained running will only make my injury worse.

Hope you can give me some advice/tips--I'm starting to get really
frustrated--I've never had a weight problem before, so having my excess
weight stay on like this is something new to me!

Jean in VA
162.5/162.5/120

> Jumping in a couple of days late:
>
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> sugar-free since 2/1/04
> low-carb since 2/17/04
DG511 - 05 Mar 2004 17:07 GMT
> "Jean S. Barto" jsbarto1@cox.net

writes:

>When you say *sugar*--do you mean stopping adding sugar to your coffee, for
>instance, or do you also mean not eating stuff with lots of sugar in it
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>weight.  The best I can say is that I've only gained 2.5 lbs since
>Christmas.

Jean, my big weakness was pastries.  I'd start each day with a chocolate chip
scone or one of those huge sugary muffins at the coffee shop.  I'd find an
excuse to have a brownie or something later in the day, I put 3 packets of
sugar into my iced tea, and otherwise rationalized lots and lots of refined
sugar into my diet.  Pancakes on the weekend had to be drenched in maple syrup.
I dropped all that on Feb. 1, and it was a very difficult week.  I think I had
an addiction, actually.  The cravings were awful, but I felt better
immediately.  I *know* my blood pressure dropped, and the incipient arthritis I
thought I was getting disappeared completely -- not even a twinge since then.

>So many of the folks on the newsgroup have a lot more to lose than we
>do--and I do think that men, and also women with 100 lbs or more to lose,
>can lose weight faster than we do--and as a result what works for them
>doesn't work for us--or, for it to work with us, we have to add in more
>exercise, or actually start tracking calories taken in.

I agree with what I think you're saying -- the experience differs, depending on
how much a person has to lose.  The weight will come off faster at first for
heavier people, but it will take them longer because they have further to go
(and having watched my SO painstakingly shed 65 pounds, I have come to really
admire people who take off a lot of weight -- it takes enormous
self-discipline).

I agree that we need to ramp up the exercise, and I'm trying to be aware of
calories, since I do think they matter.  But I'm naturally eating less now that
I've got the carbs out of my diet.

>What other things are you doing to assist in your weight loss?  I'm walking
>45 to 60 minutes a day, but obviously I'm not exercising at a high enough
>intensity to burn enough calories needed to start losing weight.  I have a
>running injury so sustained running will only make my injury worse.

I can't really advise on exercise, but maybe someone else can.  It does seem
that there are people here who have ramped up as they've closed in on goal
weight, because the last pounds haven't come off easily.

>Hope you can give me some advice/tips--I'm starting to get really
>frustrated--I've never had a weight problem before, so having my excess
>weight stay on like this is something new to me!

It's new to me, too, Jean.  One thing that was amusing about the Atkins book
was his repeated assertions that "you've all tried and failed at multiple
diets" (or words to that effect), and I kept thinking "no, I've never tried
this before and I don't know what it's like!"

Let's keep posting tips as we come across them.

Daria
166/150/140
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04
 
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