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Nitric oxide for weight loss?

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C.A. Duncan - 01 Mar 2004 23:11 GMT
I was at GNC this weekend picking up some whey protein powder for
low-carb cooking, and they had a book called 'Low Carb Lifestyle
Advanced' for one buck.  I am completely unable to resist interesting
reading material for one dollar, so I bought it.  What it turned out
to be was a thirty-something page advertisement filled with a lot of
hype about a "Nitric Oxide generator" supplement and the allegedly
incredible benefits it holds for aiding fat loss, especially when
combined with a low carb diet.  Oh yes - *the plot thins* - and this
particular supplement is available exclusively at GNC!  What a
shocker.  (The web page for that particular product is
http://www.lowcarbadvanced.com/ if anyone is interested).

While I do recognize propaganda when I see it, the information inside
did pique my interest.  Sure it was presented with a marketing slant,
but is there some truth to it?  There appear to be a few different
supplements on the market that claim to aid the body's nitric oxide
production, and they insist this is a Very Good Thing.  Has anyone
tried a nitric oxide supplement in combination with a low carb diet,
or have any thoughts on it?

Incidentally, "nitric oxide boosters", which are relatively new, are
also heavily marketed toward the bodybuilding crowd, although there
appears to be a lot of disagreement among those who've tried it over
whether it actually does anything or not.  There's a metric ton of
feedback and info on the net about nitric oxide as it pertains to
bodybuilding, but none that I can find on weight loss.

Just wondered if anyone else had any insight, experience, or thoughts?

CD
JC Der Koenig - 02 Mar 2004 01:46 GMT
Save your money.

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Someone on my forum claimed to have gained 30 lbs in 3 months eating
800-1000 calories/day.

In the FFID universe, 800 cal can magically cause weight gain.

Lyle

> I was at GNC this weekend picking up some whey protein powder for
> low-carb cooking, and they had a book called 'Low Carb Lifestyle
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> CD
Teeb - 02 Mar 2004 02:17 GMT
hmmm.. and I thought I lost weight after the root canal because I just
couldn't eat much...

Teeb

> I was at GNC this weekend picking up some whey protein powder for
> low-carb cooking, and they had a book called 'Low Carb Lifestyle
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>
> CD
Mahibab Habisinski - 02 Mar 2004 02:37 GMT
It works. The way it works is that you are constantly laughing and you
don't want to eat or you can't eat.

> I was at GNC this weekend picking up some whey protein powder for
> low-carb cooking, and they had a book called 'Low Carb Lifestyle
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>
> CD
Chrono-Z - 02 Mar 2004 02:55 GMT
I always thought that was nitrous oxide, or is it that the same as nitric
oxide?
> It works. The way it works is that you are constantly laughing and you
> don't want to eat or you can't eat.
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> >
> > CD
marengo - 02 Mar 2004 06:08 GMT
| I always thought that was nitrous oxide, or is it that the same as nitric
| oxide?

They are two different chemical compounds, about as different as carbon
dioxide and carbon monoxide.
.
Nitric Oxide (NO) is a vasodilater, and can be taken in pill or capsule
form.  Nitroglycerin, taken for heart problems, works by releasing nitric
oxide in the body.  Viagra acts also by  forming a nitric oxide variation
that dilates certain blood vessels.  NO is currently under study for its
purported anti-cancer properties also. It's not something to be taken
casually or lightly.
Nitric oxide website:  http://www.wxumac.demon.co.uk/

OTOH, Nitrous Oxide (N2O)is what is known as "laughing gas."  When inhaled,
it is rapidly absorbed by the lungs instead of oxygen, causing an
oxygen-deprivation "high."  When the dentist puts you under using Nitrous
Oxide, it's literally controlled suffocation.  Nitrous Oxide is a frequently
abused substance.  Nitrous Oxide inhalers used to be called "poppers" in the
club scene years ago (don't know if they still are).  More recently though,
according to articles I've read, Nitrous Oxide abusers have started inhaling
the easily available pressurized Nitrous Oxide chargers from the whipped
cream makers.  When used as a casual drug, N2O can be dangerous; even
deadly.

more information on N2O:  http://www.resort.com/~banshee/Info/N2O/N2O.html
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Peter
website:  http://users.thelink.net/marengo

Kathy - 02 Mar 2004 12:19 GMT
> OTOH, Nitrous Oxide (N2O)is what is known as "laughing gas."  When inhaled,
> it is rapidly absorbed by the lungs instead of oxygen, causing an
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> Peter
> website:  http://users.thelink.net/marengo

NO or nitric oxide is a gas that is used for infants who have pulmonary
hypertension, and when the blood is being shunted away from the lungs.

Kathy
Kathy - 02 Mar 2004 12:36 GMT
> X-No-archive: yes
>
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> casually or lightly.
> Nitric oxide website:  http://www.wxumac.demon.co.uk/

Sorry Peter.  I snipped the wrong part of your response when I replied.

Kathy
kvs - 02 Mar 2004 04:36 GMT
> While I do recognize propaganda when I see it, the information inside
> did pique my interest.  Sure it was presented with a marketing slant,
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> tried a nitric oxide supplement in combination with a low carb diet,
> or have any thoughts on it?

I haven't tried it and it sounds like another "magic pill" to avoid
proper diet and exercise.

NO appears to have some real effects on lipolysis according to

http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/2002/issue4/lincova.pdf

But I am sure that any number of chemicals could have certain effects.
The problem is what other effects there are.
C.A. Duncan - 02 Mar 2004 19:22 GMT
For clarification: as others have said, nitric oxide is not the same
thing as nitrous oxide (which the dentist uses to make you less aware
he's causing you a lot of pain).

Nitric oxide was the topic of a Nobel prize-winning study in recent
years, and has been much-touted as a potential path to stopping, or
perhaps even reversing, cardiovascular disease.  There are a number of
books and publications on this topic.  Your body produces nitric oxide
gas naturally in extremely small amounts when you do particular
activities, like exercise, but it is consumed by the body's cells
within a couple of seconds of creation.  Nitric oxide dilates the
blood vessels and increases blood flow (supposedly, that's how Viagra
works - by boosting nitric oxide levels), and it has been asserted
(but perhaps only by people who want you to buy their supplements)
that it has been shown to dramatically increase the ability of cells
to utilize more energy more efficiently (i.e. burn more fat in less
time).  Nitric oxide supplement makers claim that one of your body's
limiting factors in weight loss is precisely how much fat it is able
to burn in a given period of time, given the capacity of your cells to
"burn" the energy.  They claim nitric oxide extends drstically your
body's "fat-burning speed limit" by helping your cells use more
energy.  Probably a pipe dream, like every other "too good to be true"
weight loss aid out there, but still - it is entirely possible that
someday someone will find something that helps right the genetic
"imbalances" - whatever they may be - of those of us whose bodies seem
to store fat no matter what we do.

Nitric oxide is a real chemical with real documented effects.  I just
wondered if it really aids in burning fat or not.  I remain skeptical,
but curious.

CD
 
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