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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Day two, progesterone, March
God, I hate progesterone. I never quite know how it's going to go - as far as the WOE this month, it's a good thing - nausea keeps me from wanting to eat *at all* which definitely keeps me "in line." This is opposed to other months when the progesterone makes me ravenous. I have noticed a definitely correlation, however, between the ravenous phase and anger/frustration versus the nausea and depression. It's not in my head - it only happens when I'm on the big P, and I can track it according to when I've forgotten to take the d***ed stuff too. So, today so far: 35 minutes sweaty exercise (before my knee popped - I had a little run in with a large object a couple of days ago that semi-dislocated it, though it's fine, and I'm not in pain); 2 oz cheddar cheese (it's an early and big lunch day) and coffee with 1 T. cream. I feel like I'm gonna barf. 9 more days total to go on the stuff. Let's hope it's a good way to progress on the WOE. (cloud, silver lining, etc.)  SignatureNancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). > God, I hate progesterone. I never quite know how it's going to go - as > far as the WOE this month, it's a good thing - nausea keeps me from [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > -- > Nancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). Nancy, Why are you on progesterone and are you on synthetic or natural? I'm on natural and feel great. Marcella >I have noticed a definitely correlation, however, between the ravenous >phase and anger/frustration versus the nausea and depression. It's not >in my head - it only happens when I'm on the big P, and I can track it >according to when I've forgotten to take the d***ed stuff too. Nancy -- I took progesterone for many years (10 days/month), and it also caused depression and ravenous hunger in me, too. (Although, the depression from the progesterone wasn't nearly as bad as that caused by the first drug they had tried, which was Provera. Now *that* was misery.) Funny thing about the "ravenous hunger" -- I never even noticed it until I started LC'ing. The progesterone-induced hunger was very similar to the "blood sugar hunger" so aptly described by jpatti in the recent "Staying just a bit hungry" thread. And in my high-carb days, I had that all the time anyway. It wasn't until it went away (with LCing) that I noticed how its return correlated to progesterone days. About a year and a half ago, my doc took me off the progesterone, but it was too soon -- my original problems returned in full force, so I went back on. I went off it again last fall, and so far so good. No return of original problems, and no more of the caged-lion-pacing-franctically hunger swings, either. So maybe there's light at the end of the tunnel for you, too. Em > >I have noticed a definitely correlation, however, between the ravenous > >phase and anger/frustration versus the nausea and depression. It's not [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Em We can hope. I'm on day three - definitely in the depressive phase. I know what you mean by provera - I was on that, same thing, worse. I was also on megace prior to that, and we won't talk about that. I nearly committed suicide on megace - with no other reason than the drug itself. And we won't talk about the other things that went with it. The prometrium is *much* more amenable. Still not hungry this week. This is good, I guess. SignatureNancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). Maybe we need a progesterone users support group. My GYN didn't warn me about any of the side effects. I thought I was going nuts. It was my family doctor who told me what was happening to me. Seriously if anyone knows of a group that shares info on using this med I would love to know about it.Ot if anyone would like to get together about progesterone I would be glad to sponser a group. It looks as if I'll be on it a long time. Debra SouthrnElf@aol.com > Maybe we need a progesterone users support group. My GYN didn't warn me > about [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Debra > SouthrnElf@aol.com Me, too - so I, too, would be interested. I got some warning, but not about what the megace would do. It was the worst year of my life, with no "good" reason - there was one year that was worse, but it had good reasons. SignatureNancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). Nancy, If I stayed on progesterone for more than a few days I'd be at serious risk for suicide. Seriously. By day three on Promethium I was collapsing into tears every half hour for no reason at all and my Sweetie said, "What the heck did you do to yourself? I've never seen you like this." The old high progesterone birth control pills did this to me too, except I stayed on them until started having non-stop bleeding that lasted for weeks. With the Prometrium, I stopped taking it, got back to normal, and told the doctor that there was no way I was going to take another tab of Prometrium no matter what horrible things would happen to my health. Now she just does an annual ultrasound scan and so far I don't have any problems. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > > Maybe we need a progesterone users support group. My GYN didn't warn me > > about [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -- > Nancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). >If I stayed on progesterone for more than a few days I'd be at serious risk >for suicide. Seriously. By day three on Promethium I was collapsing into >tears every half hour for no reason I have been on some form of progesterone off and on for years.I have endometriosis. I did OK when it was just depo-provera every 12 weeks. But they moved me up to every 8 weeks and I started having trouble. Then they decided I could go off everything as they thought I had gone through menopause and in their opinion it had probably happened year or so previously and the depo had concealed it. I was in my late 40's at the time. Low and behold a year passes and I start my cycles again. Everything is fine for a while then I start bleeding all the time and they put me on one med after another. I get depo shots every 4 weeks. I am going nuts. I cry all the time. I am queasy and bloated. I can't sleep but am so tired I can hardly move. I get another round of tests and am told its probably endometrial cancer (a cancer that thrives on estrogen). I have surgery and its not cancer but close as it is hyperplasia. I am told it will become cancer any day if not treated immediately. A hysteretomy would be the best but because of other health problems is not possible for me. Now I have had two d&c's, a couple of biopsies, multiple scans, lots of meds, a GYN, a family practice doctor and a consulting team of specialists from Univ of Birmingham. I am still bleeding all the time eight months later and have a progesterone IUD but because of all the amount of depo I had along with this IUD they think I'm may be still bleeding because I am now too low on estrogen. Remember endometrial cancer is progesterone driven so this is a connundrum. So in spite of the IUD which is still in place I am on low dose extrogen for a month. I'll admit I feel much better but every day I wonder if the cost will be cancer. Tears, mood swings, headahes, bloating, increased blood glucose ( I am diabetic) all are still there but my mood is now only miserable at least its not suicidal. For a while I was really worried or would have been if it hadn't taken too much effort to think. LOL Oh and I'm now waiting to find out if I am having more surgery in the next week or two. Debra SouthrnElf@aol.com Debra, What a miserable horrible thing to have to get through. HUGS!!!! From what I've read it is harder to get cancer than they make it sound. Even with "increased risk" it is usually one or two people per 10,000. Much lower, say, than the number of people who die from gastric bypass surgery which everyone is so high on. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > >If I stayed on progesterone for more than a few days I'd be at serious risk > >for suicide. Seriously. By day three on Promethium I was collapsing into [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > month. I'll admit I feel much better but every day I wonder if the cost will be > cancer. Tears, mood swings, headahes, bloating, increased blood glucose I am > diabetic) all are still there but my mood is now only miserable at least its > not suicidal. For a while I was really worried or would have been if it hadn't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Debra > SouthrnElf@aol.com > Debra, > [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > Debra > > SouthrnElf@aol.com Debra - I'm so sorry that this is happening to you. Endometrial cancer is NOT progesterone driven - it's estrogen driven, and that's why they have you on progesterone - to stop the hyperplasia. That's why I'm on progesterone - I had several positive hyperplasia reads, and the progesterone is keeping it at bay. You shouldn't wake up with cancer due to the progesterone - the estrogen I would worry about. Plus sidek, though: low-carb should help this a little. SignatureNancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). >Debra - I'm so sorry that this is happening to you. Endometrial cancer >is NOT progesterone driven - it's estrogen driven Sorry you're right - that was a brain freeze and I really did mean to say estrogen driven. I can't seem to do the simpliest things without making dumb mistakes these days. LOL I didn't know that about low carb, although I am thrilled to hear it. How does it help anyway? > >Debra - I'm so sorry that this is happening to you. Endometrial cancer > >is NOT progesterone driven - it's estrogen driven [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > does > it help anyway? The whole estrogen thing is about insulin resistance - it's all a part of polycystic ovary issues. It's my understanding that, if you keep the blood glucose under control, the insulin production is under control, and that helps to smooth out IR and that helps to smooth out PCOS, which helps with the estrogen issue. Don't worry about brain fog - it's probably the progesterone... believe me. *sigh*. The uterine cancer thing sucks - I had three positive readings for UC awhile go, and went on the progesterone to stop it - it seems to be working. I feel bad for Jenny, who couldn't tolerate the Prometrium, because it was a last-ditch thing for me. I'm almost done with my course - one more dose for the month. My voice is about a third lower than it usually is - I have a performance on Sunday in Lexington. But there was minimal depression, and no anger. Also, no cravings/hunger until today. I handled it well, though, with the help of a few deviled eggs. Hang in there, Debra... know you're not alone, and NOT crazy, no matter how you feel when under the influence of the progesterone. SignatureNancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). > The whole estrogen thing is about insulin resistance - it's all a part > of polycystic ovary issues. It's my understanding that, if you keep the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- > Nancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail). Nancy, You're right about the progesterone. I took prometrium and couldn't tolerate it. I went to a naturopath who's also an Endo. I have pretty severe PCOS and have known I've had it since I was 13. I'm now 40. Unable to tolerate the prometrium (migraines) I switched to this awesome naturopath/Endo. He's amazing. He put me on natural compounded progesterone from a compounding pharmacy. It's not synthetic - it's the real stuff and it's mixed with some kind of oil base and put into a gelatin capsule. I start taking it on the 7th day after my last day of bleeding all the way through until I start my period again. It's the best med I've ever taken - with low-carbing, on glucophage and spiro, the usual "before period breast swelling" wasn't going down, and in fact my breasts swelled to about 3x's their size and my cycles were coming every 15 days. I was miserable. This new doc immediately gave me the natural progesterone, 200 mg that he had in his office and then ordered more for me from this particular compounding pharmacy in Colorado. I live in California. Within 3 days, and I'm not joking, I lost about 18 pounds of water weight, my breasts finally came down to normal size and I'm back on a regular (for me) 26-28 day cycle. I break out a little bit but I do that anyways from the PCOS. My periods had also become super heavy and I couldn't go out of the house for the first 2-3 days. With the progesterone they're normal to light. I seriously have never felt better and the natural progesterone helps in the conversion of thyroid hormone inactive T4 to active T3 which also has helped a lot in weight loss. Natural progesterone also helps with eliminating and it has a calming effect as opposed to synethic progesterone which for me, made me feel like I was PMS'ing all the time. The voice thing: I have a smokey low toned voice naturally (don't smoke at all) and I noticed when I started having the menstral/breast/bloating issues my voice was getting lower and I was often losing it completely. With the natural progesterone it's gone back to normal and I'm not having "scratchy almost losing it" episodes either. I know how important your voice is to you and it sounds like you're going through some awful stuff. Just FYI, I'm on 2000 mg of brand Glucophage XR and take compounded time release natural T3 as well as spiro along with Low-carbing. It's been slow but over 2 years I've lost about 80 lbs. I feel like I've been struggling and battling my body since I first got excited about finally getting "boobs!" LOL! I hope you're doing better. Best, Marcella |
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