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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004"cheating" or "cellebrating" or whatever you want to call it - it's still cheating!
I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. Even if it is a special night out, or big event or something similar. This just doesn't make sense. Even if it is one night, even if it is only once, it is still cheating. I went on the low-carb diet specifically to change lifestyles and improve the quality of my life. My high-carb, low fat diet and lifestyle (the one I am leaving behind), has left me 70 pounds overweight, diabetic and depressed. The low-carb diet has helped me drop 10 pounds in three weeks (which is a major milestone for me), and stabilized my blood sugar. I feel great and finally have hope. So what would cheating do for me? Tempt me to back to an old lifestyle that has done NOTHING for me! Just isn't worth it. If you cheat on your low-carb lifestyle, then is it OK to sleep with someone other than your significant other? Bill Clinton wasn't cheating since he and Monica Lewinski were not having "sexual relations?" (just oral, not intercourse)? Cheating just isn't worth it. :: I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of :: cheating. Even if it is a special night out, or big event or [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] :: :: Cheating just isn't worth it. Speak for yourself. Who are you? The town scold?  SignatureBear Grrrrrrrrrrrr :o) 297/271/210 Highest weight 353 http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html > I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. Even if > it is a special night out, or big event or something similar. This just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheating just isn't worth it. Igor? Is that you? > Igor? Is that you? No, but I agree with the OP, right up to the point when he went off a tangent about spousal cheating. i >> Igor? Is that you? > >No, but I agree with the OP, right up to the point when he went off a >tangent about spousal cheating. > >i I'll give you one thing. You are predictable. -- Emil >>> Igor? Is that you? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'll give you one thing. You are predictable. It would be a safe bet that I will hold the same opinion on junk food half a year from now. i >> I'll give you one thing. You are predictable. > >It would be a safe bet that I will hold the same opinion on junk food >half a year from now. > >i It's an equally safe bet that your opinions about junk food and morality will remain quite different than many (most?) other peoples'. -- Emil >>> I'll give you one thing. You are predictable. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It's an equally safe bet that your opinions about junk food and > morality will remain quite different than many (most?) other peoples'. Well, I am not sure just how much information you have about my opinions on morality, to make any sort of judgment. I do not think that, at least in this thread, I said anything about morality. I am quite happy to be slim, free of junk food cravings, and feel great, even if "most people" have a different opinion about junk food. A good trade. Any time I see a fat person buy bags of junk food at a supermarket, I feel pity, even though, technically, he or she is in the majority of people who disagree with me, according to you. Doubtless, if fat people adopted my opinion on junk food, they would greatly benefit. i >> I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of >> cheating. Even if it is a special night out, or big event or [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Cheating just isn't worth it. The way I see it is this, it's only cheating if you're on a diet. If it really is a way of life then you're just making a different choice at that particular time. Does a vegetarian say they've "cheated" if they have some chicken broth? Does a carnivore say oops I've cheated because I ate some greens today? Does a Vioxx user say I cheated cause I took a Celebrex today? Does a herion user say I cheated cause I snorted some coke today? etc. etc. etc. Monica Signature______________________________________ Started 01/20/04 362/334.8/250 ______________________________________ "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." - Unknown? > The way I see it is this, it's only cheating if you're on a diet. My sentiments exactly. I have ten months under my belt, so to speak, on this way of eating. To me, it's not a diet anymore. It's just how I eat now. This is one of my pet peeves and I've stated this numerous times. Sorry to those who have read it over and over, but here I go again. Once you take charge of your eating habits you will find that it's all about choices. One of the reasons I got fat in the first place is because I didn't realize, or maybe just didn't care, that I am the one responsible for putting food into my mouth. I am the one that has to suffer the consequences of going off plan. But I've also learned that those little off plan goodies keep me on plan in the long run. For instance. Sunday night hubby and I went to the Texas Steakhouse for dinner. A real treat for us because it's pretty expensive and I've been dying to go there since they opened six months ago. We ordered the blooming onion. I ate about a third of the blooming onion, which is pretty much "off plan". It was delicious, I enjoyed it immensely. I ordered the Texas Sizzler, beef tips, shrimp and unbreaded chicken strips with mushrooms, green peppers, onions and red potatoes. Actually other than the potatoes, everything fit into my "diet". I CHOSE to eat a few of the potatoes, I made the conscience decision to eat those potatoes just as I did the blooming onion. It didn't throw me into a binge, it didn't make me feel like I had thrown away the past ten months and well, it was damned good! I just got right back on plan and drank a bit more water that evening. If you "choose" to eat off plan then you are the only one that has to deal with the consequences. The whole idea of changing your eating habits is that you consciencely recognize every morsel of food that you put in your mouth. I use to graze throughout the day, it didn't matter to me what I was eating, it filled the void and I went on with life. Subsequently I got fatter and fatter. The day that I said enough is enough is the day that I realized that I had to take control of my eating. Not only do I have the choice to put something down and walk away from it, I have the option to eat it and deal with those consequences. It's my choice and that's something that I enjoy about this way of eating. Another thing, if you don't take charge of your eating by acknowledging every morsel that goes into your mouth, you are on a diet. You haven't changed your mindset, and when you do go "off" the diet, I bet you a dollar to a donut you'll put the weight back on and then some. So if you are just dieting, you go for it. But unless you change your eating habits and mindset, in the end you are going to end up right back where you were in the beginning. For me, I've taken charge and this way of eating is going to be a life long commitment. I've taken control and not one morsel of food goes in my mouth that I don't think about the consequences first. It keeps me on track and I don't ever feel deprived. If you go off plan for a meal, for a day, or even a few days, all you have to do is get back on plan. You didn't get fat overnight and you aren't going to get thin overnight. And the 44 inches I've lost and almost 60 pounds I've lost tells me that I'm doing something right. :o) SignatureKelly 270/213.5/3.5 lbs for March/Goal Weight 140 44 inches Start Date: April 21, 2003 March Challenge Weight: 210 Bravo !!! Very well said !!! That is one of the great things about LC....you are made much more aware of what is going into your body with every bite. On previous diets (WW for one) as long as it was within the "point range" it was ok...and it didn't take long to start using all my points on junk food. Hey, it was still within my daily limit right ? Yes, but a day's worth of crap food is not a WOE. LC teaches us all to make smart, nutritional choices that work for our bodies, not just our diet. Now, we know what is considered a special treat and what is everyday eating. And isn't that what life is about ? The treats that come along to make life interesting ? Thanks Kelly, Susan S. > > The way I see it is this, it's only cheating if you're on a diet. > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > going to get thin overnight. And the 44 inches I've lost and almost 60 > pounds I've lost tells me that I'm doing something right. :o) > Now, we know what is considered a special treat and what is everyday > eating. And isn't that what life is about ? The treats that come along > to make life interesting ? Exactly. It's all about doing a switcherooni on which foods we eat when. My WOE takes very high priority on the nutritious protein, green leafy veggies, and high quality fats. Everything else is once-in-a-while. > > Now, we know what is considered a special treat and what is everyday > > eating. And isn't that what life is about ? The treats that come along [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > green leafy veggies, and high quality fats. Everything else is > once-in-a-while. The way I eat now reminds me a little of how I ate as a child. Cake, cookies, and candy were special occasion foods at birthdays or holidays or when we spent the night at grandma's house. We didn't have dessert after dinner as a rule. Of course, the difference is that we had starchy sides at every meal, but now I put those starchy foods in the same category as sweets. Life is short. My WOE is for forever. Forever is a long time to wait before ever having chocolate again. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > The way I see it is this, it's only cheating if you're on a diet. Exactly. My low-carb lifestyle is not "a diet". I use low carbing to be able to enforce moderation in my overall lifestyle. That means, that foods I used to gorge out on every day are now shoved to the back of the line in the "once in a while" category. Foods I am sensitive to (glutenous grains, soy, fillers and additives) are on the "unfood" category. Eating foods I am not in the habit of including in my everyday diet is not tantamount to cheating on my husband... sheesh. I'm not married to low-carb. I prescribed low-carb to myself as the baseline way of eating. CM > Bill Clinton wasn't cheating since he and Monica Lewinski were not having > "sexual relations?" (just oral, not intercourse)? > > Cheating just isn't worth it. It's not cheating...it's simply a poor choice, much like this thread. Norsk > I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. Even if > it is a special night out, or big event or something similar. This just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheating just isn't worth it. Let's see...you've been on LC for three weeks now and can't understand how someone would have a 'cheat' day? Well, that's understandable, actually - I wouldn't suggest an off-plan day for anyone that new to LC either. Not because it's inherently harmful in any way, only because the WOL is new enough that going off-plan too early would probably have a better chance of derailing someone permanently. However, you might want to reconsider this question when you've been LC'ing for three months, six months, a year, or several years. If you can't survive an occasional off-plan day by then, then I'd say your food is still controlling you rather than you controlling it. One non-LC meal isn't going to make you regain (except possibly water weight, which will be lost again right away if you're on-plan). Going off-plan entirely _will_ make you regain. If you don't think you can have an off-plan meal without giving up on LC entirely, then I'd agree - don't go off plan. If you can't have one off-plan meal without using it as justification to have others, and then still others (within a short span of time), then I'd say definitely don't do it. But don't assume that everyone else is in the same boat. And the comparison to infidelity is just silly. Marriage is a commitment you make to another, and inherent in that is the promise that you won't be sleeping with anyone else. Eating is a biologic necessity, and an LC WOE is not inherently incompatible with an occasional non-LC meal - as long as it *is* occasional. Only you know whether you can have an off-plan meal and yet still resist the bigger temptation to slide back into bad habits. Everyone here has had to answer that for themselves as well. It doesn't matter if someone lies to anyone else about what that answer for them individually is - what really matters is whether they lie to _themselves_ about it. Judging by many of the people here who have been on LC much longer than I have, who have reached goal and maintained it for months or years, or even who have not reached goal but have lost significant amounts, are still progressing, and have not regained along the way - I'd say that none of the long-term LC'ers are fooling themselves about what they can and can't eat, even when it comes to things that are not strictly LC. And it's pretty hard to argue with long-term success, <g>. Stargazer Atkins since Apr '03 192/148/140 > I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. It depends what you call "cheating". > The low-carb diet has helped me drop 10 pounds in three weeks > (which is a major milestone for me), and stabilized my blood sugar. It does really depend on which diet a person is on. I was on the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet for a while, in which you get to have some of your favorite high carbohydrate foods every day in moderation, once per day only. (No it is not a one hour carb binge that people who have not read the book think it is, you get but a handful of a non low-carbohydrate food.) Those kind of controlled carb diets have been around for years. Other people use Low-Carbohydrate diets to suppress perpetual cravings which cause them to overeat. They will eat some of the "once in a while foods" and then go back to their baseline diet to continue the craving suppression. In a way of eating for life, people can allow room for foods that they simply don't eat every day. CM Clueless, You've been on the diet for a couple of weeks and are in the enthusiastic "new convert" state. If you manage to stay on the diet for a year or two, when the weight loss has slowed down to half a pound a month, and the thrill of eating fat is long gone, the dynamics may be very different. The challenge of low carbing, especially for someone like you and me with diabetes, is to keep on the diet long after the thrill is gone. My observation has been that people who are too rigid about what they eat are often the ones who crash off big time and regain all the weight. Eating off plan foods is not the same as cheating on a spouse at all. As you proceed along the path of the diet your nutritional needs change and the way your body responds to food changes too. I've written up my philosophy of how to create a more flexible diet plan that can withstand the inevitable stresses here: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/diab-diet.htm . -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. Even if > it is a special night out, or big event or something similar. This just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheating just isn't worth it. > I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. Even if > it is a special night out, or big event or something similar. This just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheating just isn't worth it. Everybody is different. Let's not discount the theory that food is often associated with comfort and celebration and friends and all sorts of good things. Diets are often associated with denial of all of those. Can you manage without a single 'cheat?' Then good for you. Don't assume that what is right for you is right for everybody, because all of us are in need of weight loss for varying reasons. Some use the food/comfort thing a bit too much (like maybe everybody). Some are in the food service industry and are surrounded by food and its pleasures all day every day in a professional sense, where its appearance and delectability are their very income. Some have been in social situations where there is some rudeness in refusing what is profferred. Some have been dieting for a long time and would like to just for one meal, celebrate and eat what has been forbidden for so long. Don't be so quick to judge. What works for you may not be the best way for everyone. And I am not going to comment on the cheap shot at Clinton....... SignatureEvelyn (To reply to me personally, remove sox) >I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. Even if >it is a special night out, or big event or something similar. This just >doesn't make sense. Even if it is one night, even if it is only once, it is >still cheating. Then you will feel bad and guilty everytime you do somethign that isn't low carb and obsess over everything in food. Congratulations, you are creating a new food obsession for yourself. Others simply realize that there is a great diversity out there and enjoyment to be had in all of it. If food is simply a fuel for you then you won't mind going on a tasteless, liquid diet for the rest of your life and pop pills to get appropriate nutrients. I'd rather eat a diversity of food and be able to go anywhere and eat healthy and well without obsessively asking "do they put sugar in that, can they not bread that, do you have sugar free deserts?" You aren't in a monogamous relation ship with protein and fat. You are allowed to cavort with carbs on a daily basis. Food is not evil. Just how you use/abuse it. > I went on the low-carb diet specifically to change lifestyles >and improve the quality of my life. My high-carb, low fat diet and lifestyle [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Cheating just isn't worth it. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/325/Mar-315/200 Atkins since 1/12/2004 >>I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. Even if >>it is a special night out, or big event or something similar. This just >>doesn't make sense. Even if it is one night, even if it is only once, it is >>still cheating. > Then you will feel bad and guilty everytime you do somethign that > isn't low carb and obsess over everything in food. Congratulations, > you are creating a new food obsession for yourself. If he does not cheat, why would he feel guilty??? Am I missing something? Why not cheating should be equated with an obsession? If I do not eat sugar, and accidentally eat something that I later learn contains sugar (in appreciable quantity), that would be regrettable, but it cannot be undone. So why make a big drama out of it? There is no reason why not ever eating something should lead to big dramas. Not cheating does not mean obsession, it simply means that the person has a well defined universe of what he considers food and what he does not. I do not see sugar laden snacks as a forbidden pleasure, a delicious sin that I am banned from ever enjoying as a penance for being fat, or whatnot. I do not consider it food, period. You are creating a false dichotomy. There is no reason why one cannot enjoy what he is eating. I happen to say that I like the foods I eat, although, lately, almost absolutely everything tastes good to me. I also enjoy eating a diversity of foods and am quite happy with my diet. I simply stumbled upon it, almost by accident, although reading and such helped a bit. I see no contradiction between a conscious choice not to consider some junk stuff to be food, and enjoying the vast remainder of the food universe. > Others simply realize that there is a great diversity out there and > enjoyment to be had in all of it. If food is simply a fuel for you > then you won't mind going on a tasteless, liquid diet for the rest of > your life and pop pills to get appropriate nutrients. Unfortunately, it is hard to get all nutrients from such imaginary concoctions. > I'd rather eat a diversity of food and be able to go anywhere and eat > healthy and well without obsessively asking "do they put sugar in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > allowed to cavort with carbs on a daily basis. Food is not evil. Just > how you use/abuse it. I want to point out that you have yet to see your approach actually work, meaning to see yourself get to your goal weight and keep it off. i I definitely don't agree that "cheating" by eating something high carb and being unfaithful to your spouse are the same. One is a moral issue and one isn't. But then, I tend to be a believer in rights and wrongs. The fundamental difference, of course, being that in marriage, you made a promise of fidelity (at least don't most people?) to that spouse. When beginning a diet, all you've done is say, "I'm going to try to do some things differently..." whether that means what you eat, how much you exercise, etc...It is not a "moral issue". Certainly it won't give you any life threatening diseases if you choose to eat a piece of apple pie with ice cream. That may not be true with immorality. I suppose if you made a pledge in front of a bunch of people saying, "I promise to never eat anything that isn't listed in Atkins' book as good", then someone could fault you for "cheating" on the same level as breaking a promise of fidelity. I doubt anyone would ever do that, however. They hardly have the same lasting consequences. Let's get things in perspective! Wow. I hope you were just joking with us. Becky P. www.family.solidrockpl.org (Cluelesstraveler) wrote in message ... > So what would cheating do for me? Tempt me to > back to an old lifestyle that has done NOTHING for me! Just isn't worth it. Might not do anything for you... but I still _like_ some carby foods. Low-carb for me is an improvement - I feel healthier, I've lost some weight, and I've got more energy - but sometimes I just want a taste (or a bowl, to be honest) of real, full-fat, full-sugar peanut-butter-and-chocolate ice cream. I know if I have it I'll wind up with a migraine from the peanuts and dizziness from the blood sugar rollercoaster - but sometimes the taste is worth it. In my opinion, it's only 'cheating' if you KEEP eating off-plan and give up on the low-carb forever. I can have a bowl of ice cream on Monday the 1st of March... and be back on-plan Tuesday morning for the next month, no problems. Before I started low-carb, I sure couldn't have done that - it's helped me realize that a lot of the physical effects I was having were BECAUSE of what I was eating. Cause and effect, peanuts=migraine. I didn't know that before. I didn't know that the 'digestive upsets' were because of wheat. Now I do. And if I 'cheat' it's because it's a special occasion and I've decided to live with the effects. > If you cheat on your low-carb lifestyle, then is it OK to sleep with someone > other than your significant other? Well, that's really comparing apples to sausages - if I 'cheat' on my diet, it only affects me and only in the short term... but if I were ABLE to 'cheat' on my SO* that affects more than just me and in a lot of ways for an extended time period. Kinda kerosene-soaked to phrase cheating on diet as equivalent to cheating on partner. - Ssthisto * - Given that I'm polyamorous, this is a logistic nightmare - by some people's definition, I'm ALREADY cheating, but by my own and my partners' definitions, I'm not - and in my relationship with 'my guys', it's our opinion that counts, nobody else's. > (Cluelesstraveler) wrote in message ... >> So what would cheating do for me? Tempt me to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > up with a migraine from the peanuts and dizziness from the blood sugar > rollercoaster - but sometimes the taste is worth it. Wow, sounds as bad as food poisoning and you still want it because if the taste. Amazing. i > > (Cluelesstraveler) wrote in message ... > >> So what would cheating do for me? Tempt me to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > i OMG that reminded me of that episode of "Will and Grace", where Grace kept eating the bad shrimp that made her sick with food poisoning. I only occasionally watch that show, but that was funny. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. >I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. Even if >it is a special night out, or big event or something similar. This just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Cheating just isn't worth it. How many people vote that "CluelessTraveller" is a troll? Raise your hand... DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/325/Mar-315/200 Atkins since 1/12/2004 Hi, <Snip of CluelessTraveller's diatribe on cheating> > How many people vote that "CluelessTraveller" is a troll? > Raise your hand... Naw, just a newbie. Be it three weeks or seven, newbies just haven't bumped up against all the possibilities yet is all. Patience. ;-) Take care, Carmen >I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. Even if >it is a special night out, or big event or something similar. This just >doesn't make sense. Even if it is one night, even if it is only once, it is >still cheating. It's only cheating if you believe that you're on a strict diet and any deviation is an illegal act. Many of us see this as a lifelong process and acknowledge that, occasionally, we'll eat something -- a bite, a plate, a meal -- that's not on the plan. For myself, I don't believe in "cheating" any more than I believe in the concept of sin. I believe in taking responsibility for my actions and knowing that some behaviors have consequences. It's up to me to weigh whether the consequence of eating off-plan (a temporary weight gain or plateau) is worth it. Sometimes, to me, it is. Dawn >If you cheat on your low-carb lifestyle, then is it OK to sleep with someone >other than your significant other? What.. it's not OK??? ;-) LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/224/140 & hubby- 310/246/180 Well, it's not fattening so it must be okay. In news:20040302180216.20582.00000680@mb-m24.aol.com, LCer09 <lcer09@aol.com> stated || If you cheat on your low-carb lifestyle, then is it OK to sleep with || someone other than your significant other? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | Me- 265/224/140 | & hubby- 310/246/180 > I'm not sure that I understand or agree with the concept of cheating. A to be new and in the rush of the first few weeks. To think that it will continue to be about "understanding" or "agreeing". The trouble is for many people carbs are addictive. One bite and I'm off the wagon picking myself and looking for a horse to get back onto. In a world where almost everyone stresses that since it's a lifestlye it must be okay to have stuff occasionaly the peer pressure never lets up. Hi! I'm Doug and I'm a carb addict. I stay on the wagon for a while but every once in a while I fall off. Over four years in and the longer I go the better I realize that if I try to take it more than one day at a time, I'm toast. Or candy bars or whatever. I can and do stay on the wagon one day at a time. But when I expand that horizon the addictive stuff tempts me and I make the wrong choices and I fall off the wagon. One day at a time. |
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