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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Is this normal
Hello all. A little background info on myself. I am a 28 year old male, 6'0, and was 280 lbs. I started the Atkins Diet on February 16, 2004. Currently I am 261 lbs. I eat tuna for breakfast. For lunch lettuce, tomatoes, and celery. Supper is baked chicken breasts with some Asparagus. I drink a ton of water per day. I am still in the induction phase. I cheated on it the first week I was on induction because I got sick. I WAS eating the atkins peanut butter cups and the atkins shakes. From what I hear, that wasn't the best thing to do; therefore, I dont eat those things anymore. I plan to stay on Induction until 240 lbs. My question: why do I feel as if I don't have alot of energy like i used to. Even on the first week of Atkins Induction, I had more energy than I do now. When I go to the gym, I feel as if I can't do the heavier weight like before. Now I just feel blah. I did have diarrhea for quite a few days. Thanks for any advice, big man I don't think you're eating enough. The meals you describe are way to austere. There's no protein in your lunch. Why not have a cheeseburger or hamburger with the lettuce, tomatoe and celery. Add some mayo and hard boiled egg to the tuna. Have half a small roast chicken and add olive oil or butter and shaved parmesan cheese to the asparagus. A big man can't eat as little you have been and feel good. Try folllowing some of the suggested menu's on the web site or in the book more carefully. Good luck, big guy.  SignatureBear Grrrrrrrrrrrr :o) 297/271/210 Highest weight 353 http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html > Hello all. A little background info on myself. I am a 28 year old male, > 6'0, and was 280 lbs. I started the Atkins Diet on February 16, 2004. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Thanks for any advice, > big man He has plenty of stored fat to utilize as energy. It's just a matter of sticking it out until the utilization process becomes more efficient. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > I don't think you're eating enough. The meals you describe are way to > austere. There's no protein in your lunch. Why not have a cheeseburger or [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Thanks for any advice, > > big man Bull. SignatureBear Grrrrrrrrrrrr :o) 297/271/210 Highest weight 353 http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html > He has plenty of stored fat to utilize as energy. It's just a matter of > sticking it out until the utilization process becomes more efficient. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > big man Pig. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > Bull. > > He has plenty of stored fat to utilize as energy. It's just a matter of [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > big man Always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. No more. Bye. > Pig. > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > > big man I think he thought you were playing a game where you name animals. My turn! Giraffe! > Always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. No more. Bye. > > Pig. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > > > big man SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > I think he thought you were playing a game where you name animals. My > turn! Giraffe! on usenet, it's called cascading and it can be an excellent source of wordplay. Oh.Now I get it. My next post should have been- a.s. SignatureBear Grrrrrrrrrrrr :o) 297/271/210 Highest weight 353 http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html > I think he thought you were playing a game where you name animals. My > turn! Giraffe! [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > > > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > > > > big man Pussy. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > Oh.Now I get it. My next post should have been- > [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > > > > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > > > > > big man Armadillo. > Pussy. > [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > > > > flaws. SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. Warthog. In news:lunachick-D4FDF0.22370403032004@news2.west.earthlink.net, Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> stated | Armadillo. | [quoted text clipped - 133 lines] | I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 | flaws. At one point I thought you actually had some sense. Now it's obvious that you're another one that thinks he knows the secrets because he's lost that first easy 20 pounds. So carry on, fat boy, you'll never make it to goal. You're much too fat and stupid. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > Always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. No more. Bye. > > Pig. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > > > big man > At one point I thought you actually had some sense. Now it's obvious that > you're another one that thinks he knows the secrets because he's lost that > first easy 20 pounds. So carry on, fat boy, you'll never make it to goal. > You're much too fat and stupid. The thing is, though, it's absolutely not vitally necessary to excercise to lose weight and it's misleading to say that it is. It's a good idea if you can (and I do, before you start abusing me as you do everyone else) and it will help a great deal, but it's not the be-all-and-end-all. You can lose weight simply by eating less than you need, and you of all people should realise that. As I said, I do excercise and I'm now 74lbs (and four dress sizes) down on my starting weight, but on the other hand I have two friends who do low carb and who don't hang about here. I don't know their weights, becuase neither of them have told me, but I do know that one has gone from a size 32/34(UK) to a 26 (UK), and one has gone from a 20 (UK) to a 12 (UK) over the around same period as I've been on this WOE, and neither of them do any kind of exercise program. Possibly they could have lost faster if they did, but they didn't. I do also think that people who haven't excercised before or not recently need to start slowly and keep it to things and times that they will be able to sustain. There's no point shelling out hundreds of pounds (or dollars) for example, for a gym membership and saying that you're going to go every day when you know perfectly well that your work or other circumstances won't permit it. There's also no point in promising yourself you'll do every day and then stopping 'because you've let yourself down' the first time you're invited to dinner (or whatever) and can't make it. An excercise objective, like any other kind, needs to be stretching but also achieveable. Better, really, that you do two days a week that you can stick to and aiming to add one more when you can, even if they're not the same two or three every week than say you'll do five and then giving up because you only do two. Even if someone can't do 'an exercise program', it may be that they can incorporate some excercise into their day-to-day lives: taking the stairs, getting off the bus one stop earlier, parking further away from the office, walking round the block at least once a day - borrow someone's dog if it makes you feel less of a fool. But you can lose without it. It will be harder, and it will get harder still the more you lose. But it can be done. -- Lexin >>At one point I thought you actually had some sense. Now it's obvious that >>you're another one that thinks he knows the secrets because he's lost that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The thing is, though, it's absolutely not vitally necessary to > excercise to lose weight and it's misleading to say that it is. Well, it depends, are you trying to lose weight or get healthier? They are related but not the same. Signaturejmk in NC So you're saying that it is no healthier to weigh 150 pounds and be sedentary than it is to weigh 300 pounds and be sedentary? In news:c250ev$1pkv98$1@ID-220452.news.uni-berlin.de, jmk <jmk446NOT@yahoo.com> stated | Well, it depends, are you trying to lose weight or get healthier? | They are related but not the same. | | -- | jmk in NC > So you're saying that it is no healthier to weigh 150 pounds and be > sedentary than it is to weigh 300 pounds and be sedentary? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > | -- > | jmk in NC Not at all. What I am saying is that while you can lose weight without exercising, you are not improving your health to the level that you could be. FWIW, it is generally healthier to weigh less (withing the "healthy range" for your height) but that does not mean that there is no room for improvement. If you are simply trying to lose weight, feel free skip the exercise. If you are trying to have healthier lifestyle in general, you really do need to exercise. Signaturejmk in NC > What I am saying is that while you can lose weight without > exercising, you are not improving your health to the level that you > could be. Oh, I agree. I wasn't saying that it was a good idea, but that it could be done. -- Lexin I would never shell out anything for a gym membership. If I didn't have my own weights, I would do pushups and pullups. If that got too easy I would strap on a book bag with some heavy books in it to do those exercises. Exercise doesn't have to be a big traumatic deal. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > > At one point I thought you actually had some sense. Now it's obvious that > > you're another one that thinks he knows the secrets because he's lost that [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > -- > Lexin Gyms are funner. Plus, there are cute boys there. Even if they're gay, they're still pretty to look at. > I would never shell out anything for a gym membership. If I didn't have my > own weights, I would do pushups and pullups. If that got too easy I would [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > -- > > Lexin SignatureMichelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. > > I would never shell out anything for a gym membership. If I didn't have my > > own weights, I would do pushups and pullups. Just pushups and pullups, JC? Are you one of those guys with great big upper bodies perched on skinny chicken legs? ;-) carla >Gyms are funner. Plus, there are cute boys there. Even if they're gay, >they're still pretty to look at. I work out at 9 in the morning. I get all the seniors. I'm close - but not quite. (58) The other morning an old guy in a track suit came to my treadmill and told me he'd been watching me. I got a creeeeeeepy feeling. Then he said - 'you're doing really well. I said a prayer for you this morning.' I want some guy to come to my treadmill and say - HEY BABY!!! LOOKIN' GOOOOOOOOD! Not going to happen...LOL Paper If it's not one thing - it's your mother. 225/224/150 Hi, > I work out at 9 in the morning. I get all the seniors. I'm close - > but not quite. (58) The other morning an old guy in a track suit > came to my treadmill and told me he'd been watching me. I got a > creeeeeeepy feeling. Then he said - 'you're doing really well. I > said a prayer > for you this morning.' How sweet. :-) Not to mention relief inducing probably. <G> > I want some guy to come to my treadmill and say - > HEY BABY!!! LOOKIN' GOOOOOOOOD! Not going to happen...LOL <laughing> Now that would be creepy to me. Take care, Carmen > Hello all. A little background info on myself. I am a 28 year old > male, 6'0, and was 280 lbs. I started the Atkins Diet on February 16, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > do; therefore, I dont eat those things anymore. I plan to stay on > Induction until 240 lbs. Where in the world is your fat? This is your source of fuel. No wonder you feel like heck... unless you forgot to post about all of the mayo, butter, oils, etc. that you should be using. You're not eating enough food in general... particularly for a male of your size. Vitamins (if you're not taking them) can also be helpful. Most people can use them, LC or not. > My question: why do I feel as if I don't have alot of energy like i > used to. Even on the first week of Atkins Induction, I had more energy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks for any advice, > big man I eat many times more than what's on your menu and I'm just under goal weight. If I ate that I'd also be feeling pretty horrible. More food! ~miette > > Hello all. A little background info on myself. I am a 28 year old > > male, 6'0, and was 280 lbs. I started the Atkins Diet on February 16, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Where in the world is your fat? This is your source of fuel. No wonder you > feel like heck... Yes, and to top it off, he gave up drinking Atkins shakes on the advice of the food Nazis, without any sound evidence that there is anything wrong with them. Those shakes get 40-50% of their calories from fat and contain no sugar alcohols; I've yet to hear anyone explain what exactly they contain that is supposed to cause problems. I've used them without any problems. I wouldn't make them the center of my diet, but having some of them in addition to other appropriate food is certainly ok. unless you forgot to post about all of the mayo, > butter, oils, etc. that you should be using. You're not eating enough food > in general... particularly for a male of your size. Vitamins (if you're not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ~miette > Hello all. A little background info on myself. I am a 28 year old male, > 6'0, and was 280 lbs. I started the Atkins Diet on February 16, 2004. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Thanks for any advice, > big man You said that you were sick a week or two ago. Are you sure that you're 100% better? That could certainly be sapping your energy. Signaturejmk in NC > I plan to stay on Induction until 240 lbs. Given that loss is better at your CCLL, why? The single most important concept of Atkins is that everyone has a level that gives the best loss and that is the CCLL. Less is not more. Doesn't matter that is is not obvious or that you don't beleive it. Low fat is obvious. Obvious does not equal true. > My question: why do I feel as if I don't have alot of energy like i used to. Because you've extended Induction and so you are slowly driving down your thyroid output: http://www.lowcarb.org/josh_yelon/topic3.html There are 3 listed studies. The first explains the biochemical basis for the standard post-Induction pause, the reason that most folks lose best near that CCLL not at 20, why so many stall if they stay at 20, and hints why folks who stay low over 6 months can fall out of ketosis Eskimo-style. > Serum T4 was not significantly affected during the VLCD. This implies that low carbing is not bad for the thyriod. The thyroid serves as a throttle, but it does not appear to be harmed by low carbing if T4 levels are any indication. > Although serum T3 decreased during the VLCD for both groups, > the decrease occurred faster and to a greater magnitude in > LC (34.6% mean decrease) than HC (17.9% mean decrease). This shows that thyroid is *how* weight loss gets throttled while low carbing. As the level of thyroid decreases, the general metabolic rates goes down as well. > Both groups exhibited similar progressive decreases in RMR > during treatment (12.4% for LC and 20.8% for HC) This explains why no matter what plan you follow, early loss rates are higher than later loss rates. > but values were not significantly lower than baseline until > week 3 of the VLCD. Bingo. This study has located the metabolic cause of the standard post-Induction pause in week 3. *Extremely* interesting. The initial loss during Induction is fast because the body has not had time to become more efficient. The sticks test dark early on then and then move towards light in week 3 just as the study predicts. > dietary carbohydrate content had an influence on the > magnitude of fall in serum T3 ... Folks, HERE is the CORE of why less is not more. Eat too little carbs, and your thyroid turns down its output. Eat enough carbs and the thyroid does not turn down its output. This is why finding your CCLL works better for most than staying low. > RMR declined similarly for both dietary treatments. Something similar happens to low fat folks, but the study did not identify what it was. Here is the entire text of the abstract. The effect of varying carbohydrate content of a very-low-caloric diet on resting metabolic rate and thyroid hormones. Mathieson RA, Walberg JL, Gwazdauskas FC, Hinkle DE, Gregg JM Metabolism 1986 May;35(5):394-398 Twelve obese women were studied to determine the effects of the combination of an aerobic exercise program with either a high carbohydrate (HC) very-low-caloric diet (VLCD) or a low carbohydrate (LC) VLCD diet on resting metabolic rate (RMR), serum thyroxine (T4), 3,5,3'-triiodothyronine (T3), and 3,5,3'-triiodothyronine (rT3). The response of these parameters was also examined when subjects switched from the VLCD to a mixed hypocaloric diet. Following a maintenance period, subjects consumed one of the two VLCDs for 28 days. In addition, all subjects participated in thrice weekly submaximal exercise sessions at 60% of maximal aerobic capacity. Following VLCD treatments, participants consumed a 1,000 kcal mixed diet while continuing the exercise program for one week. Measurements of RMR, T4, T3, and rT3 were made weekly. Weight decreased significantly more for LC than HC. Serum T4 was not significantly affected during the VLCD. Although serum T3 decreased during the VLCD for both groups, the decrease occurred faster and to a greater magnitude in LC (34.6% mean decrease) than HC (17.9% mean decrease). Serum rT3 increased similarly for each treatment by the first week of the VLCD. Serum T3 and rT3 of both groups returned to baseline concentrations following one week of the 1,000 kcal diet. Both groups exhibited similar progressive decreases in RMR during treatment (12.4% for LC and 20.8% for HC), but values were not significantly lower than baseline until week 3 of the VLCD. Thus, although dietary carbohydrate content had an influence on the magnitude of fall in serum T3, RMR declined similarly for both dietary treatments. Comments: they split 12 women into two groups of 6. Half were given a 1000-calorie low-carb diet, the other half a 1000-calorie high-carb diet. The metabolic rate of the low-carbers declined by 12.4%, the metabolic rate of the high-carbers declined by 20.8%. Doug - Thanks so much for this information. It's really opened my eyes to why one should add carbs after induction. SignatureBear Grrrrrrrrrrrr :o) 297/271/210 Highest weight 353 http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html > > I plan to stay on Induction until 240 lbs. > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > diet. The metabolic rate of the low-carbers declined by 12.4%, the > metabolic rate of the high-carbers declined by 20.8%. |
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