Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004
Is low-carbing successful if you go slowly??
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wilson - 04 Mar 2004 09:08 GMT Question folks:
Can you "go slowly" with low-carbing, cutting out foods little by little? Atkins seems to want you to go cold-turkey and seems to have a scientific reason why one should do this. Is it less effective if you gradually cut out foods?
I am kind of doing this intuitively, because many of these foods were triggering nasty side effects. I can say that I have not had one of my splitting headaches in about a week which is the longest I've gone headache-free. I got very, very sick yesterday from a blood sugar crash, though, and even today feel like my blood pressure is still kind of low.
In my case, I haven't quit carbs so much as they've quit ME. I have already cut back significantly on the carbs. I can't eat very much of them and I only eat as much as I can eat.
A positive note is that I AM learning restraint... and discovering how tasty low-carb foods really are. I'm inspired to cook. Lettuce sandwiches are fantastic. I can't believe I ate off of bread all these years. These white foods really have no flavor of their own! I am inspired to make 'manicotti' of rolled up, thin-sliced zucchini stuffed with ricotta cheese... thoughts anyone?
Weeks ago I would have thought nothing about eating a whole supersize fries from McDonald's. Tonight I made chicken baked in lemon juice and butter with herbs, and threw a bunch of halved mushrooms, and some potatoes (for my carbo-philic fiance) into the pan. The mushrooms took up all the chicken juice and marinade.
I had only two small slices of the potato - and found myself picking the mushrooms off his plate!! I wanted the shrooms, not the potato! That's a first!
I am thinking about going Atkins though because I seem to be doing poorly doing low-carb while eating "light" foods; I got really, really sick from low blood sugar.
BTW does anyone have any good vegetarian recipes?? For variety's sake?
Roger Zoul - 04 Mar 2004 11:18 GMT :: Question folks: :: :: Can you "go slowly" with low-carbing, cutting out foods little by :: little? Atkins seems to want you to go cold-turkey and seems to have :: a scientific reason why one should do this. Is it less effective if :: you gradually cut out foods? You may not drop as quickly at first, but it will certainly work to gradually cut our excessive carbs from your diet. Over the longer term, the results will be very likely the same and you'll reap the same benefits relative to weight loss.
PJx - 04 Mar 2004 12:19 GMT You really need a high fat diet when you cut out the carbs. Are you doing that? Probably why you are sick. Lots of olive oil, butter, bacon, mayonaise etc is needed to fuel your weight loss.
PJ
>Question folks: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >BTW does anyone have any good vegetarian recipes?? For variety's sake? Duffy - 04 Mar 2004 22:10 GMT > You really need a high fat diet when you cut out the carbs. Are you > doing that? Probably why you are sick. > Lots of olive oil, butter, bacon, mayonaise etc is needed to fuel > your weight loss. > > PJ Not true. Atkins advocates high-fat, but other plans, including the South Beach Diet, favor a lower fat model.
With my tricky digestion, "Lots of olive oil, butter, bacon, mayonaise etc" would put me in the ER. Yet, I managed to lose almost 60 pounds and keep it off for 2 years with a low carb, moderately low fat approach. And I've never been healthier.
Duffy 182/124 since 12-01-01
Bob in CT - 04 Mar 2004 22:07 GMT >> You really need a high fat diet when you cut out the carbs. Are you >> doing that? Probably why you are sick. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 182/124 > since 12-01-01 Even those of us who eat relatively high fat don't necessarily eat all that stuff. I do eat olive oil daily, but not much; butter is good, but some days I don't eat it at all; I eat bacon every once in a while -- it's too greasy for me; I very rarely eat mayo. I don't restrict my intake of fat, but I also don't eat fat for the sake of eating fat (other than fish oil and flax oil). Nonetheless, I do eat the skin off chicken (something verboten on low fat).
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rosie - 04 Mar 2004 14:00 GMT > Question folks: > > Can you "go slowly" with low-carbing, cutting out foods little by > little? Atkins seems to want you to go cold-turkey and seems to have a > scientific reason why one should do this. Is it less effective if you > gradually cut out foods? YES, of course you can! there have been many here in ASD-LC who started out with a SUGARBUSTERS type woe and "graduated" to the atkins approach!
Jenny - 04 Mar 2004 16:15 GMT Wilson,
Just remember one thing, the more carbs you eat, the less fat you can eat.
That's because carbs cause an insulin release which will store dietary fat on your body as body fat. It will also mess up your cholesterol because the excess glucose in your body bonds to the receptors on your blood fats and keeps the body from being able to remove them.
Only when you cut carbs way down can you eat the high fat stuff associated with a low carb diet.
I'd say the cut off is probably around 60 grams of carbs a day. Over that level you better not eat a whole lot of fat.
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
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> Question folks: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > BTW does anyone have any good vegetarian recipes?? For variety's sake? Elinor Dashwood - 04 Mar 2004 21:12 GMT > Just remember one thing, the more carbs you eat, the less fat you can eat. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'd say the cut off is probably around 60 grams of carbs a day. Over that > level you better not eat a whole lot of fat. So very interesting.
emkay - 05 Mar 2004 13:55 GMT >Can you "go slowly" with low-carbing, cutting out foods little by >little? Atkins seems to want you to go cold-turkey and seems to have a >scientific reason why one should do this. Is it less effective if you >gradually cut out foods? Yes, you can go slowly. That's exactly how I did it. For the first step, I didn't really eliminate many specific foods (except fruit juice and sugared sodas); I just reduced the amount that I was eating (or overeating, I should say). One bowl of cereal instead of two; one plate of pasta instead of two, etc. Then gradually replaced the more refined carbs for slightly less refined carbs (whole wheat pasta instead of regular, brown rice instead of white, cereals higher in bran and flax, etc.) And then slowly eliminated the pasta and rice and bread and potatoes and cereal altogether, after finding subsititutes for them (cabbage or zucchini or tofu for pasta, cauliflower or turnip for potatoes, Wasa for bread, etc.)
I also started exercising at the same time (treadmill at first, then alternated treadmill with resistance exercises on a crossbow).
I only lost about a pound a week, so it took just over two years for me to lose all I wanted to lose (110 pounds). I never had a big 8-pounds-in-a-week loss that helps to keep some people motivated, especially early on. And I never had a magical moment after two weeks when I said "Hey, all my cravings are gone!" But I was never in the misery some people report when they do a drastic diet change, either. And no prolonged stalls, since any time my weight loss slowed down, I just cut back on carbs and calories just a tiny bit more.
I think that what made it work for me was that because it was so gradual, at any given point along the way I was eating at a level that, at that time, I would have been willing to continue eating at forever. There weren't times when I was dying to get out of whatever "phase" of the diet I was in so that I could have some temporarily-forbidden food again. The whole thing was sort of a two-year-long "pre-maintenance" phase that gradually turned into "maintenance" by itself.
>BTW does anyone have any good vegetarian recipes?? For variety's sake? These aren't exactly recipes, but here's a few low-carb vegetarian meal ideas. This is assuming you eat eggs and cheese and soy-based products. And Quorn, if it's available where you live.
- Shredded cabbage, stir-fried or boiled, with a lower-carb spaghetti sauce, Boca Italian sausage, grated parmesan cheese
- Stir-fried veggies and Quorn "chicken" tenders, in a low-carb spicy sauce, over reconstituted TVP (as a substitute for rice)
- Quorn "chicken" cutlets simmered in Trader Joe's spinach Punjab sauce, with steamed broccoli and butter
- Veggie burger with cheese in a low-carb tortilla, plus a salad
- Egg salad on a Wasa, plus a selection of raw veggies and dip
- Stuffed peppers (boil red or green bell bepper for a few minutes, drain, fill with ground Quorn or soy protein crumbles that have been simmering in lower-carb spaghetti sauce; top with mozzarella cheese; bake)
- Shepherd's pie (ground Quorn heated in a skillet, add some spices, mushroom gravy, lower-carb spaghetti sauce; stir in some cooked fresh green beans; dump it all in a casserole and cover with mashed cauliflower; bake)
- "Handwiches" -- soy deli slices and cheese (and optional condiments and veggies) rolled up in large green-leaf or romaine lettuce leaves
- Chowder made from cream, low-cabr milk (Hood Carb Countdown), tofu, turnip, cauliflower, and onion
- Lo mein made from spaghetti squash and various crunchy vegetables, scrambled egg, soy sauce and seasonings, and either tofu or Quorn "chicken"
- Lasagna made with very thinly sliced layers of tofu to replace the noodles, plus whatever other normal lasagna fillings you use (eggplant, spinach, cheeses, lower-carb pasta sauce, etc.)
Em
wilson - 05 Mar 2004 20:28 GMT Thanks for the suggestions Em - I'm not a vegetarian anymore but I do love vegetarian dishes, and there's only so much MEAT I can eat!! Feh. It's getting boring.
Thank you!
Wish I could find some good stats on the carbs of eggplant/zucchini.
At this stage I'm allowing myself any veggies - mostly it's the grains I've cut back on, plus NO refined sugars.
Here's a tricky situation... My partner WILL NOT eat artificial sweeteners. And I'm hearing bad things about Stevia.
However I'd like us to be able to eat some of the same foods... such as I'd like to be able to make teriyaki or bbq that we can BOTH eat, I'd like to be able to make desserts that we can BOTH enjoy. Not make two separate meals. Ugh.
emkay - 05 Mar 2004 20:39 GMT >Thanks for the suggestions Em - >I'm not a vegetarian anymore but I do love vegetarian dishes, and >there's only so much MEAT I can eat!! Feh. It's getting boring. > >Thank you! You're welcome.
>Wish I could find some good stats on the carbs of eggplant/zucchini. Try here: <http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl>
Em
FOB - 06 Mar 2004 02:10 GMT Do you eat much fish? I love fish and there are lots of ways to fix it, to avoid boredom. One of my favorites is catfish, with onions (preferably Vidalia types), green peppers and sometimes eggplant in a green curry sauce. Lots of tasty veggies and catfish to add protein. Catfish is great for this as it is a very firm fish. You can buy the nuggets which are cheaper than the filets.
In news:d2cb7826.0403051228.1c88cfa3@posting.google.com, wilson <chaosphaere@hotmail.com> stated
| Thanks for the suggestions Em - | I'm not a vegetarian anymore but I do love vegetarian dishes, and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | I'd like to be able to make desserts that we can BOTH enjoy. Not make | two separate meals. Ugh. wilson - 06 Mar 2004 17:34 GMT > Do you eat much fish? I love fish and there are lots of ways to fix it, to > avoid boredom. One of my favorites is catfish, with onions (preferably > Vidalia types), green peppers and sometimes eggplant in a green curry sauce. > Lots of tasty veggies and catfish to add protein. Catfish is great for this > as it is a very firm fish. You can buy the nuggets which are cheaper than > the filets. Oh I LOVE fish.
One thing I love about low-carbing is I can still find decent things to eat in Japanese restaurants. I can eat sashimi, and while I'm still eating 'whole grain' on occasion I can eat soba noodles (which have some protein and which don't trigger me).
wilson - 08 Mar 2004 09:02 GMT > Do you eat much fish? I love fish and there are lots of ways to fix it, to > avoid boredom. One of my favorites is catfish, with onions (preferably > Vidalia types), green peppers and sometimes eggplant in a green curry sauce. > Lots of tasty veggies and catfish to add protein. Catfish is great for this > as it is a very firm fish. You can buy the nuggets which are cheaper than > the filets. Mm. One thing I really love is shrimp in the shell the way they serve it at the pier at Ports O' Call (California)... they give you a big tray of shrimp in the shell sauteed with onion, tomato, and bell pepper... MM!!!! Great with a squeeze of lemon and some HOT SAUCE!!
Vile - 09 Mar 2004 00:49 GMT My two cents is that if you do go slowly you might avoid the after effect of extra skin around your stomach like I do when I lost 74 pounds in 4 months.
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