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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Second guessing myself
This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak and cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was enjoying this meal, I just can't help but think back on what our government has been telling us for so many years about our food pyramid. I guess this breakfast seemed a little over-the-top for some reason, although I eat homemade sausage and eggs most mornings. I should get my blood work done, just to see how I am doing inside. I guess, this way of eating is just so against what our government has been saying, that it got to me a little. I eat 50g of carbs +- a day, due to milk consumption and sometimes some fruit and still lose weight and feel quite good, but I guess I am second guessing myself a little this morning. Sorry, I don't want to question anyone, I just am looking for a little comfort that I am on the right track. Strange, I usually feel great about this, but steak and cheese and egg for breakfast got to me a little. A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have ever been in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever! Curt  SignatureStarted low carb May '03 211/183/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF Age 38 Highest weight 250 5+ years ago :: This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or :: steak and cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :: lose weight and feel quite good, but I guess I am second guessing :: myself a little this morning. Get your blood work done 2X per year. That way you have some idea where you stand. Have faith. :: Sorry, I don't want to question anyone, I just am looking for a :: little comfort that I am on the right track. Strange, I usually :: feel great about this, but steak and cheese and egg for breakfast :: got to me a little. Just keep in mind that we have been programmed to think that certain foods are bad for us. But based on what? Only notions....think about what animals eat. :: A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have :: ever been in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever! Sure you have....what comes down, must have gone up! :) > This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak and > cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was enjoying this [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Curt I agree that eating too much meat and eggs does sound over the top and unbalanced and unreasonable. There is no reason to abuse meat so much if you are low carbing. You can substitute meat with fish, and eat more plant based stuff such as nuts, vegetables oils, etc. I never believed Atkins' bullshit that eating too much meat is harmless. The burden of proof is on him to prove that it is really safe long term, and he has not met that burden. Hence, what a sane person can do is, while low carbing, eat less meat stuff and more plant stuff. Get your blood work done, but remember that effects of diet affect more than just a single cholesterol number. I have no special knowledge to say just how much meat is too much or what the best macronutrient ratios are. But I am quite willing to stay away from extremes. i >> This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak >> and [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > person can do is, while low carbing, eat less meat stuff and more > plant stuff. Well, I never restrict my intake of meat and have raised my HDL and decreased my total cholesterol/HDL ratio. The problem with studies that look at meat consumption is that the participants also eat high carb content. Here are some studies indicating low carb plus meat consupmtion aren't bad: http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp?catid=200 And Atkins has no burden of proof -- the burden lies with those who have told us that low fat is great, in the rise of evidence to the contrary, including multiple studies and waistlines. All low fat did for me was create and exacerbate my insulin resistance. Now I'm borderline diabetic to a diet that's based on psuedoscience. > Get your blood work done, but remember that effects of diet affect > more than just a single cholesterol number. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > i I personally think that the "meat is bad" hypothesis is 100% bullshit. See: http://www.self-help-hub.com/The_Cholesterol_Myths__Exposing_the_Fallacy_that_Sa turated_Fat_and_Cholesterol_Cause_Heart_Disease_0967089700.html http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html SignatureBob in CT Remove ".x" to reply >>> This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak >>> and [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Well, I never restrict my intake of meat and have raised my HDL and > decreased my total cholesterol/HDL ratio. Well, it is, first, a question of just how much meat you are eating, whether you exercise, how old are you, and finally, that cholesterol is only part of the story. > The problem with studies that look at meat consumption is that the > participants also eat high carb content. Here are some studies > indicating low carb plus meat consupmtion aren't bad: > > http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp?catid=200 I looked at some of the numerous studies mentioned on that page, and have not found one that would look at long term overeating of meat. I am not, by any means, suggesting that "meat is bad". I love meat and eat it almost every day. Meat, liver, eggs, all of that is a staple of my diet. What I object to is a notion that there is no such thing as too much meat. I do not believe it and I would want anyone claiming that to meet a high burden of proof. Meaning, take a few people on a high meat diet (where a very high % of calories comes from meat and animal fat), long term, and compare their health closely, and hot just cholesterol. I do realize that such a study would be expensive, but until I see it, I will not believe that eating too much meat has no ill consequences. > And Atkins has no burden of proof -- the burden lies with those who have > told us that low fat is great, in the rise of evidence to the contrary, > including multiple studies and waistlines. All low fat did for me was > create and exacerbate my insulin resistance. Now I'm borderline diabetic > to a diet that's based on psuedoscience. I do not believe neither low fatter now meat overeating advocates. >> Get your blood work done, but remember that effects of diet affect >> more than just a single cholesterol number. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html High cholesterol is not the only consideration wrt meat eating. Too much protein has a bad effect on bone calcium retention. Again, I am not anti meat etc. I am simply objecting to radical and extreme diets such as meat overeating. So far, stating that long term meat overeating is healthy is based, at best, on various suppositions and hypotheses, rather than well tested data. i :: In article <opr4cet9h2rjctj4@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>, Bob in CT :: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] :: animal fat), long term, and compare their health closely, and hot :: just cholesterol. Yeah, but you're the only one talking about meat overeating. Thus, you are accusing someone on LC of overeating meat. LC is not a meat diet. :: I do realize that such a study would be expensive, but until I see :: it, I will not believe that eating too much meat has no ill [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :: :: I do not believe neither low fatter now meat overeating advocates. What? :::: Get your blood work done, but remember that effects of diet affect :::: more than just a single cholesterol number. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] ::: I personally think that the "meat is bad" hypothesis is 100% ::: bullshit. See: http://www.self-help-hub.com/The_Cholesterol_Myths__Exposing_the_Fallacy_that_Sa turated_Fat_and_Cholesterol_Cause_Heart_Disease_0967089700.html ::: http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html :: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: meat overeating is healthy is based, at best, on various suppositions :: and hypotheses, rather than well tested data. You should start your own thread on this. IMO, overeating meat is very hard to do over the long term. It just gets boring as well. Your body must have cholesterol to function. On the other hand you can get by just fine without plants. Start your logic from there. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > >>> This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak > >>> and [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > I personally think that the "meat is bad" hypothesis is 100% bullshit. > > See: http://www.self-help-hub.com/The_Cholesterol_Myths__Exposing_the_Fallacy_that_Sa turated_Fat_and_Cholesterol_Cause_Heart_Disease_0967089700.html > > http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > i |||| I agree that eating too much meat and eggs does sound over the top and ||| unbalanced and unreasonable. There is no reason to abuse meat so much [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] ||| I never believed Atkins' bullshit that eating too much meat is ||| harmless. Please read DANDR -- this is misinformation; Dr. Atkins is not the one spreading "bullshit." "Abusing meat and eggs" is not part of the Atkins controlled carbohydrate approach. Atkins has always been a high-fat/moderate-protein/low-carb way of eating, and the description of it as a "high-protein" all-meat diet is the big misconception that his detractors have tried to use for years. I find that I eat less meat on my Atkins plan than I did before, when I used to constantly pig out on fast food. Now that I cook each meal, I have a much more nutritionally balanced daily menu than pre-Atkins. SignaturePeter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo Curt wrote: A little side note, I am one pound away from the lightest I have ever been in my adult life. I have NEVER weighed 182, ever! ---------------------------------------- You can quell your own doubts right there with these observations. There is no question it's working for you. As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Congratulations; Marty Curt: Before starting Atkins, I had this same concern (I'm 52). It took me a year of low-fat/high fiber eating to drop my cholesterol by 62 points. I was worried that the high fat of Atkins would negate all my hard work. So, I went to my doctor before starting the diet. I was happy to discover she is very knowledgeable about the Atkins diet for two reasons. First, she has had many patients go on the Atkins diet and seen their results, and second, SHE went on the Atkins diet after doing quite a bit of personal research, and lost a great deal of weight! She told me that I should NOT be concerned about my cholesterol counts, as she has found that her patients on Atkins have a dramatic drop in "bad cholesterol" and dramatic increase in "good cholesterol". She added that even when her patients have gone OFF the diet, their cholesterol *stayed* lower! She said the same was true for blood pressure. She stated clearly that in her professional opinion, Atkins has only good effects on cholesterol, blood pressure, and overall well-being. I started Atkins at the end of January and am due to go back for re-testing of my blood work in April. But I'm not concerned (she's been my doctor for 15 years and I have utmost confidence in her opinions!). Hope this helps, Joan J > This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak and > cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was enjoying this [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Curt It's amazing that you can be so light and yet have such a high bodyfat percentage. Perhaps you should hit the weight room. SignatureMost of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :) Becky P. > This morning I was sitting down to a little unusual breakfast or steak and > cheese omelet. I had some left-over steak. Anyway, as I was enjoying this [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Curt |
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