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Did I mess up?  Evaluate this cereal, please!

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Merryl - 04 Mar 2004 22:58 GMT
I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but
did I buy something that's too high carb?  I haven't eaten any yet
during Phase 1... but is this too carb-y even for next week?

It's Barbara's Bakery GrainShop.  A half-cup has:

Calories: 90
Fat: 1g  (saturated: 0)
Cholesterol: 0
Sodium: 110 mg
Potassium: 160 mg
Total Carb: 24g
  Dietary Fiber: 8g
     Soluble Fiber: 1g
     Insoluble Fiber: 7g
  Sugars: 5g
Protien: 3g

Ingredients: Organic Wheat Bran, Organic Whole Oats, Organic Whole
Wheat, Corn Bran, Organic Corn Meal, Organic Dehydrated Cane Juice,
Organic Barley Malt Extract, Organic Oat Bran, Sea Salt, Baking Soda.

Would you folks have bought this?  I can't believe I missed that cane
juice...I *know* that's sugar!  What do you think of it?  Can I add it
to my diet and eat it every few days, or does it have to be a treat?

Thanks in advance.  This group is amazingly helpful; I'm learning more
every day!

Merryl
286/280/140  5'4"
DJ Delorie - 04 Mar 2004 23:17 GMT
> Fat: 1g
> Total Carb: 24g
>    Dietary Fiber: 8g
> Protien: 3g

These are the numbers that matter.  16g of net carbs for only 4g of
fats and proteins.  It's high carb itself, but at 16g you MIGHT be
able to fit it into the later phases when you have a higher carb
limit.  Combine it with some sort of fat/protein (cream, bacon,
sausage) for a meal to further slow down the absorption of carbs and
you should be OK with it.
Rebecca - 05 Mar 2004 15:28 GMT
>>Fat: 1g
>>Total Carb: 24g
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> sausage) for a meal to further slow down the absorption of carbs and
> you should be OK with it.

Yes, you're way too early in the process to be buying this.  Although, I
must say, that I use this exact cereal myself, now that I'm more or less
on maintenance.  It's full of fiber, which I sometimes just really need,
and it's much less sweet, and more real-tasting than the specifically
low carb cereals, Atkins cereals included.  I don't eat it very often,
maybe once a week or so, but it's nice to have it as a option, for when
I just can't stand the thought of eating another egg.

Rebecca
Jenny - 04 Mar 2004 23:56 GMT
I get 17 grams of non-fiber carb.  Barley Malt extract is ALSO sugar.

These manufacturers are getting sneakier and sneakier about hiding the sugar
in their foods, aren't they!

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hba1c 5.2.
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> I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but
> did I buy something that's too high carb?  I haven't eaten any yet
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> Merryl
> 286/280/140  5'4"
DJ Delorie - 05 Mar 2004 00:27 GMT
> I get 17 grams of non-fiber carb.

I got 16.  Since fat and protein are rounded, you DO NOT KNOW that the
extra 5 calories unaccounted for come from carbs.  If fat is 1.4g and
protein is 3.4g, you get 90.2 kcal without needing to suspect the
manufacturer of some conspiracy.

> > Total Carb: 24g
> >    Dietary Fiber: 8g

> Barley Malt extract is ALSO sugar.  These manufacturers are getting
> sneakier and sneakier about hiding the sugar in their foods, aren't
> they!

They listed 5g of sugars on the label.  They seem like they're being
quite honest with us.
Dick Yuknavech - 05 Mar 2004 16:40 GMT
>I get 17 grams of non-fiber carb.  Barley Malt extract is ALSO sugar.
>
>These manufacturers are getting sneakier and sneakier about hiding the sugar
>in their foods, aren't they!

True, but I would hope (without actually KNOWING) that the total-carb
and fiber numbers must remain (kind of) accurate. If that IS the case,
then I would think the source of the carbs would make a difference only
in glycemic index, which is, of course, still important. True?

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Dick Yuknavech                   rey@mindspring.com
Jenny - 05 Mar 2004 18:39 GMT
Dick,

You took the words right out of my mouth.  "cane extract" and "malt extract"
would be high glycemic, i.e. hit your blood stream faster than the same
number of carbs from, say, broccoli.

This can influence the size of the insulin response that it kicks off.

It is also worth noting that many people with diagnosed blood sugar problems
(i.e. diabetes) report that their blood sugar is much more likely to go high
in the morning and at breakfast. This has to do with how our livers prepare
us for a new day after sleep.

So breakfast is probably NOT the meal at which  you want to eat your higher
carb foods.

I never eat eggs for breakfast, BTW.

Typical low carb breakfasts for me include plain full fat yogurt with almond
slivers and grated coconut, homemade protein powder pancakes (from recipe on
my web site, linked below), bacon , very low carb bran crisp crackers with
peanut butter, low carb pumpkin bread (also on my web site) and leftovers
like a chicken wing from dinner.

-- Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

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> >I get 17 grams of non-fiber carb.  Barley Malt extract is ALSO sugar.
> >
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>
> Dick Yuknavech                   rey@mindspring.com
DJ Delorie - 05 Mar 2004 19:08 GMT
> homemade protein powder pancakes (from recipe on my web site, linked
> below),

I couldn't get that recipe to work out.  I ended up with this one:

1 egg
1 scoop protein powder (25g)
1.5 tsp baking powder
1.5 tsp erythritol
1.5 tsp vanilla
1.5 tsp water
dashes of cinnamon and nutmeg

(the 1.5's are all for convenience; I just use the one measuring spoon
rather than get a whole bunch of different ones dirty)

I cook the first side until it's done just enough to flip it without
being a disaster (never saw any bubbles!) then cook the second side
just enough to cook it through.  Makes very thick and fluffy pancakes,
but easily overcooked.
Jenny - 05 Mar 2004 21:36 GMT
DJ,

From some feedback people have mailed me it looks like you might need to use
the Precision Engineered Vanilla Whey Protein to make it work.  Other brands
don't seem to work very well. I've only used the PE brand because it's
cheapest.

-- Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

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strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
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> > homemade protein powder pancakes (from recipe on my web site, linked
> > below),
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> just enough to cook it through.  Makes very thick and fluffy pancakes,
> but easily overcooked.
DJ Delorie - 05 Mar 2004 21:44 GMT
> From some feedback people have mailed me it looks like you might
> need to use the Precision Engineered Vanilla Whey Protein to make it
> work.  Other brands don't seem to work very well. I've only used the
> PE brand because it's cheapest.

I wonder what they have that the others don't.  Or what the others
have that PE doesn't.

I use Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey, vanilla flavor.  I like the
flavor (or at least I've gotten used to it ;) and I've got a recipe
variant that works for me, so no point trying something new now.
Cubit - 05 Mar 2004 13:58 GMT
Buying cereal IS messing up.  Cereal has carbs.

Cubit

> I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but
> did I buy something that's too high carb?  I haven't eaten any yet
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Merryl
> 286/280/140  5'4"
Chet Hayes - 05 Mar 2004 19:46 GMT
> Buying cereal IS messing up.  Cereal has carbs.
>
> Cubit

That's not true, this is low carb, not zero carb.  There are cereals
that are very low in carb.  I've had the 3 different Atkins dry
cereals and they all taste very good.  In a 2/3 cup serving it has 8g
carb, 5g fiber, for a net of 3g, which is way better than the 16g
cereal that the OP bought.   This is certainly OK for anyone past
induction and very tasty with some lc milk.  No reason to make all
this harder and more restricive than it has to be.

> > I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but
> > did I buy something that's too high carb?  I haven't eaten any yet
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> > Merryl
> > 286/280/140  5'4"
Bob in CT - 05 Mar 2004 20:06 GMT
>> Buying cereal IS messing up.  Cereal has carbs.
>>
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> induction and very tasty with some lc milk.  No reason to make all
> this harder and more restricive than it has to be.

Plus, it gives you some fiber, which helps regularity (if you need that --
personally, I have no need for this) and, if you believe the "fiber = no
cancer" hypothesis is also a benefit.

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Martha Gallagher - 05 Mar 2004 20:53 GMT
> Buying cereal IS messing up.  Cereal has carbs.

So do eggs and cheese.

Amounts and percentages matter.

Martha

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Merryl - 05 Mar 2004 22:06 GMT
> Buying cereal IS messing up.  Cereal has carbs.
>
> Cubit

Well, not exactly.  The South Beach book describes "good" carbs as
whole grain carbs with lots of fiber.  Back in early February when I
was "test driving" foods on this diet, I thought that this cereal
might be appropriate under Phase 2 of South Beach.  Now that I have
more experience, I'm recognizing more sugars in it and thought I made
a mistake, even though it is 'whole grain' and has (what I thought at
the time was) lots of fiber.

I don't believe that ALL carbs are evil.  Even ones in cereal.

However, I'm going to treat this food really carefully, since it's a
much larger source of glycemic carbs than I initially thought.  If I
discover that I don't really really enjoy it, AND it affects me
negatively, I'll get rid of it.
JC Der Koenig - 06 Mar 2004 01:16 GMT
> Buying cereal IS messing up.  Cereal has carbs.

Yay.
Crafting Mom - 06 Mar 2004 02:18 GMT
>> Buying cereal IS messing up.  Cereal has carbs.
>
> Yay.

I'm still of the opinion that low-carbing is about letting go of
the need for grains and cereals, and having real food.

JMO, YMMV, and all the standard disclaimers.
CM
JC Der Koenig - 06 Mar 2004 02:47 GMT
> >> Buying cereal IS messing up.  Cereal has carbs.
> >
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> JMO, YMMV, and all the standard disclaimers.
> CM

I was agreeing, and I agree still.
Stargazer - 06 Mar 2004 13:55 GMT
> >> Buying cereal IS messing up.  Cereal has carbs.
> >
> > Yay.
>
> I'm still of the opinion that low-carbing is about letting go of
> the need for grains and cereals, and having real food.

Do you use Splenda, or anything made with it?  Is that somehow more 'real'
than wheat (or soy, sesame, or flax, which while not grains can be made into
the same sorts of end products)?

What isn't 'real' about grains?  Are they not grown in the ground the same
as any other plant (fruit, vegetable, or seed)?  Do you also consider
anything made with soy (such as soy protein, tofu, soy milk, soy flour) as
not being real food?  And if so, why?  Or do you actually mean 'not
processed' when you say 'real'?

I would venture a guess (and it is merely a guess) that most soy products
don't endure much more 'processing' than a cow does - especially considering
how and what they usually feed (and inject) cattle with, and what processing
the meat can undergo post-slaughter.  And unless you're raising your own,
you have little control over either one.

However, you can make choices when it comes to what kind and how much
processing the food you eat has undergone, and at what point something is
indeed overprocessed and lacking in nutritional value as a result of that.
Also important is what the end result of the processing has been.  For
example, wheat germ (the actual seed of the wheat) would be better for LC
purposes than whole wheat (because whole wheat would include the endosperm,
the starchiest part of the wheat grain).  Wheat bran by itself would also be
good, because it's almost pure fiber.  Processing of some kind is the only
way you're going to get either of those by itself, it would be almost
impossible to do by hand.

I also haven't seen (and maybe I've just missed it) where any of the LC
WOE's (except Paleo/Neanderthin) suggest that you give up all grain products
forever, or that it's somehow healthier to do so.  IMO what's more important
is making the _right_ choices when it comes to any product containing
grains, and not overdoing them.  Just as you make the right choices when it
comes to vegetables, and shun only those which have a high sugar/starch
content (rather than shunning *all* of them because *some* of them aren't
LC).  Flour made from wheat (or almond, soy, or sesame) is not the same as
refined white flour, not even close.   Flaxmeal isn't the same as cornmeal.
Wheat doesn't contain the same amount of starch that rice does, much the
same as cauliflower doesn't contain the same amount of starch that a potato
does.  And starch/sugar is ultimately what any LC WOE is limiting the most.
Bananas are certainly 'real food' that undergoes very little processing, but
the natural sugar content is what makes them unacceptable and is the reason
they aren't usually recommended for an LC WOE (even though they are
otherwise a perfectly healthy food choice).

IMO, the only reason to exclude everything made from wheat is if you are
allergic to it, it's in a trigger food for you that you know you're likely
to overeat, it's in a food that is too high in calories or carbs to fit
comfortably into your daily allowance, it's in a food that has been so
overprocessed that it's lost most of its nutritional value and/or is full of
additives, or during Induction because it's not on the list of allowable
Induction foods.  Otherwise, if you can incorporate it into your WOE without
stalling/regaining/overeating, then why not do so?  I think the benefit
(increase in fiber intake, increase in available food choices, good nutrient
value if not stripped by overprocessing) outweighs any real negatives,
except in the cases mentioned above.

Stargazer
Atkins since Apr '03
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Tom - 05 Mar 2004 22:35 GMT
lyrrem@yahoo.com (Merryl) wrote in message

> Would you folks have bought this?  I can't believe I missed that cane
> juice...I *know* that's sugar!  What do you think of it?  Can I add it
> to my diet and eat it every few days, or does it have to be a treat?

Throw it out and have some eggs
Wayne Crannell - 12 Mar 2004 02:52 GMT
> I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but
> did I buy something that's too high carb?  I haven't eaten any yet
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Merryl
> 286/280/140  5'4"

Which plan are you doing? Phase 1...meaning Induction? This would be
fine on certain WOEs, but in general, cereals just don't work in the
beginning at all. In maintenance, I eat only All-Bran Extra Fiber and
then only 1 ounce a day. (yes, I know about the aspertame...I am buying
my hats extra-large for when the extra arm starts growing out of my head
from the chemicals)

If you are doing Atkins, you just can't eat grains until way down the
line....treat or otherwise. And then, only in tiny amounts.

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