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Did I mess up? Evaluate this cereal, please!
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Merryl - 04 Mar 2004 22:58 GMT I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but did I buy something that's too high carb? I haven't eaten any yet during Phase 1... but is this too carb-y even for next week?
It's Barbara's Bakery GrainShop. A half-cup has:
Calories: 90 Fat: 1g (saturated: 0) Cholesterol: 0 Sodium: 110 mg Potassium: 160 mg Total Carb: 24g Dietary Fiber: 8g Soluble Fiber: 1g Insoluble Fiber: 7g Sugars: 5g Protien: 3g
Ingredients: Organic Wheat Bran, Organic Whole Oats, Organic Whole Wheat, Corn Bran, Organic Corn Meal, Organic Dehydrated Cane Juice, Organic Barley Malt Extract, Organic Oat Bran, Sea Salt, Baking Soda.
Would you folks have bought this? I can't believe I missed that cane juice...I *know* that's sugar! What do you think of it? Can I add it to my diet and eat it every few days, or does it have to be a treat?
Thanks in advance. This group is amazingly helpful; I'm learning more every day!
Merryl 286/280/140 5'4"
DJ Delorie - 04 Mar 2004 23:17 GMT > Fat: 1g > Total Carb: 24g > Dietary Fiber: 8g > Protien: 3g These are the numbers that matter. 16g of net carbs for only 4g of fats and proteins. It's high carb itself, but at 16g you MIGHT be able to fit it into the later phases when you have a higher carb limit. Combine it with some sort of fat/protein (cream, bacon, sausage) for a meal to further slow down the absorption of carbs and you should be OK with it.
Rebecca - 05 Mar 2004 15:28 GMT >>Fat: 1g >>Total Carb: 24g [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sausage) for a meal to further slow down the absorption of carbs and > you should be OK with it. Yes, you're way too early in the process to be buying this. Although, I must say, that I use this exact cereal myself, now that I'm more or less on maintenance. It's full of fiber, which I sometimes just really need, and it's much less sweet, and more real-tasting than the specifically low carb cereals, Atkins cereals included. I don't eat it very often, maybe once a week or so, but it's nice to have it as a option, for when I just can't stand the thought of eating another egg.
Rebecca
Jenny - 04 Mar 2004 23:56 GMT I get 17 grams of non-fiber carb. Barley Malt extract is ALSO sugar.
These manufacturers are getting sneakier and sneakier about hiding the sugar in their foods, aren't they!
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> I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but > did I buy something that's too high carb? I haven't eaten any yet [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Merryl > 286/280/140 5'4" DJ Delorie - 05 Mar 2004 00:27 GMT > I get 17 grams of non-fiber carb. I got 16. Since fat and protein are rounded, you DO NOT KNOW that the extra 5 calories unaccounted for come from carbs. If fat is 1.4g and protein is 3.4g, you get 90.2 kcal without needing to suspect the manufacturer of some conspiracy.
> > Total Carb: 24g > > Dietary Fiber: 8g
> Barley Malt extract is ALSO sugar. These manufacturers are getting > sneakier and sneakier about hiding the sugar in their foods, aren't > they! They listed 5g of sugars on the label. They seem like they're being quite honest with us.
Dick Yuknavech - 05 Mar 2004 16:40 GMT >I get 17 grams of non-fiber carb. Barley Malt extract is ALSO sugar. > >These manufacturers are getting sneakier and sneakier about hiding the sugar >in their foods, aren't they! True, but I would hope (without actually KNOWING) that the total-carb and fiber numbers must remain (kind of) accurate. If that IS the case, then I would think the source of the carbs would make a difference only in glycemic index, which is, of course, still important. True?
-- 6/2/2003 181/164/164?
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Jenny - 05 Mar 2004 18:39 GMT Dick,
You took the words right out of my mouth. "cane extract" and "malt extract" would be high glycemic, i.e. hit your blood stream faster than the same number of carbs from, say, broccoli.
This can influence the size of the insulin response that it kicks off.
It is also worth noting that many people with diagnosed blood sugar problems (i.e. diabetes) report that their blood sugar is much more likely to go high in the morning and at breakfast. This has to do with how our livers prepare us for a new day after sleep.
So breakfast is probably NOT the meal at which you want to eat your higher carb foods.
I never eat eggs for breakfast, BTW.
Typical low carb breakfasts for me include plain full fat yogurt with almond slivers and grated coconut, homemade protein powder pancakes (from recipe on my web site, linked below), bacon , very low carb bran crisp crackers with peanut butter, low carb pumpkin bread (also on my web site) and leftovers like a chicken wing from dinner.
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/
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> >I get 17 grams of non-fiber carb. Barley Malt extract is ALSO sugar. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Dick Yuknavech rey@mindspring.com DJ Delorie - 05 Mar 2004 19:08 GMT > homemade protein powder pancakes (from recipe on my web site, linked > below), I couldn't get that recipe to work out. I ended up with this one:
1 egg 1 scoop protein powder (25g) 1.5 tsp baking powder 1.5 tsp erythritol 1.5 tsp vanilla 1.5 tsp water dashes of cinnamon and nutmeg
(the 1.5's are all for convenience; I just use the one measuring spoon rather than get a whole bunch of different ones dirty)
I cook the first side until it's done just enough to flip it without being a disaster (never saw any bubbles!) then cook the second side just enough to cook it through. Makes very thick and fluffy pancakes, but easily overcooked.
Jenny - 05 Mar 2004 21:36 GMT DJ,
From some feedback people have mailed me it looks like you might need to use the Precision Engineered Vanilla Whey Protein to make it work. Other brands don't seem to work very well. I've only used the PE brand because it's cheapest.
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/
Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
> > homemade protein powder pancakes (from recipe on my web site, linked > > below), [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > just enough to cook it through. Makes very thick and fluffy pancakes, > but easily overcooked. DJ Delorie - 05 Mar 2004 21:44 GMT > From some feedback people have mailed me it looks like you might > need to use the Precision Engineered Vanilla Whey Protein to make it > work. Other brands don't seem to work very well. I've only used the > PE brand because it's cheapest. I wonder what they have that the others don't. Or what the others have that PE doesn't.
I use Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey, vanilla flavor. I like the flavor (or at least I've gotten used to it ;) and I've got a recipe variant that works for me, so no point trying something new now.
Cubit - 05 Mar 2004 13:58 GMT Buying cereal IS messing up. Cereal has carbs.
Cubit
> I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but > did I buy something that's too high carb? I haven't eaten any yet [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Merryl > 286/280/140 5'4" Chet Hayes - 05 Mar 2004 19:46 GMT > Buying cereal IS messing up. Cereal has carbs. > > Cubit That's not true, this is low carb, not zero carb. There are cereals that are very low in carb. I've had the 3 different Atkins dry cereals and they all taste very good. In a 2/3 cup serving it has 8g carb, 5g fiber, for a net of 3g, which is way better than the 16g cereal that the OP bought. This is certainly OK for anyone past induction and very tasty with some lc milk. No reason to make all this harder and more restricive than it has to be.
> > I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but > > did I buy something that's too high carb? I haven't eaten any yet [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Merryl > > 286/280/140 5'4" Bob in CT - 05 Mar 2004 20:06 GMT >> Buying cereal IS messing up. Cereal has carbs. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > induction and very tasty with some lc milk. No reason to make all > this harder and more restricive than it has to be. Plus, it gives you some fiber, which helps regularity (if you need that -- personally, I have no need for this) and, if you believe the "fiber = no cancer" hypothesis is also a benefit.
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Martha Gallagher - 05 Mar 2004 20:53 GMT > Buying cereal IS messing up. Cereal has carbs. So do eggs and cheese.
Amounts and percentages matter.
Martha
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Merryl - 05 Mar 2004 22:06 GMT > Buying cereal IS messing up. Cereal has carbs. > > Cubit Well, not exactly. The South Beach book describes "good" carbs as whole grain carbs with lots of fiber. Back in early February when I was "test driving" foods on this diet, I thought that this cereal might be appropriate under Phase 2 of South Beach. Now that I have more experience, I'm recognizing more sugars in it and thought I made a mistake, even though it is 'whole grain' and has (what I thought at the time was) lots of fiber.
I don't believe that ALL carbs are evil. Even ones in cereal.
However, I'm going to treat this food really carefully, since it's a much larger source of glycemic carbs than I initially thought. If I discover that I don't really really enjoy it, AND it affects me negatively, I'll get rid of it.
JC Der Koenig - 06 Mar 2004 01:16 GMT > Buying cereal IS messing up. Cereal has carbs. Yay.
Crafting Mom - 06 Mar 2004 02:18 GMT >> Buying cereal IS messing up. Cereal has carbs. > > Yay. I'm still of the opinion that low-carbing is about letting go of the need for grains and cereals, and having real food.
JMO, YMMV, and all the standard disclaimers. CM
JC Der Koenig - 06 Mar 2004 02:47 GMT > >> Buying cereal IS messing up. Cereal has carbs. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > JMO, YMMV, and all the standard disclaimers. > CM I was agreeing, and I agree still.
Stargazer - 06 Mar 2004 13:55 GMT > >> Buying cereal IS messing up. Cereal has carbs. > > > > Yay. > > I'm still of the opinion that low-carbing is about letting go of > the need for grains and cereals, and having real food. Do you use Splenda, or anything made with it? Is that somehow more 'real' than wheat (or soy, sesame, or flax, which while not grains can be made into the same sorts of end products)?
What isn't 'real' about grains? Are they not grown in the ground the same as any other plant (fruit, vegetable, or seed)? Do you also consider anything made with soy (such as soy protein, tofu, soy milk, soy flour) as not being real food? And if so, why? Or do you actually mean 'not processed' when you say 'real'?
I would venture a guess (and it is merely a guess) that most soy products don't endure much more 'processing' than a cow does - especially considering how and what they usually feed (and inject) cattle with, and what processing the meat can undergo post-slaughter. And unless you're raising your own, you have little control over either one.
However, you can make choices when it comes to what kind and how much processing the food you eat has undergone, and at what point something is indeed overprocessed and lacking in nutritional value as a result of that. Also important is what the end result of the processing has been. For example, wheat germ (the actual seed of the wheat) would be better for LC purposes than whole wheat (because whole wheat would include the endosperm, the starchiest part of the wheat grain). Wheat bran by itself would also be good, because it's almost pure fiber. Processing of some kind is the only way you're going to get either of those by itself, it would be almost impossible to do by hand.
I also haven't seen (and maybe I've just missed it) where any of the LC WOE's (except Paleo/Neanderthin) suggest that you give up all grain products forever, or that it's somehow healthier to do so. IMO what's more important is making the _right_ choices when it comes to any product containing grains, and not overdoing them. Just as you make the right choices when it comes to vegetables, and shun only those which have a high sugar/starch content (rather than shunning *all* of them because *some* of them aren't LC). Flour made from wheat (or almond, soy, or sesame) is not the same as refined white flour, not even close. Flaxmeal isn't the same as cornmeal. Wheat doesn't contain the same amount of starch that rice does, much the same as cauliflower doesn't contain the same amount of starch that a potato does. And starch/sugar is ultimately what any LC WOE is limiting the most. Bananas are certainly 'real food' that undergoes very little processing, but the natural sugar content is what makes them unacceptable and is the reason they aren't usually recommended for an LC WOE (even though they are otherwise a perfectly healthy food choice).
IMO, the only reason to exclude everything made from wheat is if you are allergic to it, it's in a trigger food for you that you know you're likely to overeat, it's in a food that is too high in calories or carbs to fit comfortably into your daily allowance, it's in a food that has been so overprocessed that it's lost most of its nutritional value and/or is full of additives, or during Induction because it's not on the list of allowable Induction foods. Otherwise, if you can incorporate it into your WOE without stalling/regaining/overeating, then why not do so? I think the benefit (increase in fiber intake, increase in available food choices, good nutrient value if not stripped by overprocessing) outweighs any real negatives, except in the cases mentioned above.
Stargazer Atkins since Apr '03 192/148/140
Tom - 05 Mar 2004 22:35 GMT lyrrem@yahoo.com (Merryl) wrote in message
> Would you folks have bought this? I can't believe I missed that cane > juice...I *know* that's sugar! What do you think of it? Can I add it > to my diet and eat it every few days, or does it have to be a treat? Throw it out and have some eggs
Wayne Crannell - 12 Mar 2004 02:52 GMT > I bought a box of what I thought was a good, whole grain cereal... but > did I buy something that's too high carb? I haven't eaten any yet [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Merryl > 286/280/140 5'4" Which plan are you doing? Phase 1...meaning Induction? This would be fine on certain WOEs, but in general, cereals just don't work in the beginning at all. In maintenance, I eat only All-Bran Extra Fiber and then only 1 ounce a day. (yes, I know about the aspertame...I am buying my hats extra-large for when the extra arm starts growing out of my head from the chemicals)
If you are doing Atkins, you just can't eat grains until way down the line....treat or otherwise. And then, only in tiny amounts.
 Signature ***************** Wayne Crannell Atkins + 10/21/01 250/139 *****************
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