I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet? It seems an
impossibility. Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and
really dont need to lose weight, since I am about the ideal weight for
my build and age. I'm just trying to find this out. I also wonder if
Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat
industry to promote their foods? Anyone that seems to promote one
particular type of food makes me wonder. I found a biography of him
online, but nothing was mentioned about what his father did for a
living, or if there were other brothers or sisters and what they did.
I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all
other doctors disapprove of his diet. They state that there is usually
a short term weight loss, but it's only short term and the side
effects are dangerous.
I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the
latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs.
Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat
fresh foods. I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and
retain a decent weight.
Mark
revek - 06 Mar 2004 09:59 GMT
Hello Mark. You might get mistaken for a troll by some others, but your
questions are not too emotionally loaded and diplomatically (mostly)
phrased so I'm going to treat you like a real person who is asking an
honest question or three. Unfortunately you've chosen a subject that
will push a LOT of buttons here, so expect some smartass replies. Some
are just a.sholes, but most are just a little oversensitve.
maradcliff@aolNOSPASM.com burbled across the ether:
> I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet? It seems an
> impossibility.
Seems so. But it's still doable, especially if you allow yourself dairy
and seafood. If you don't, you can still get protien from soy, quarn,
tofu, etc. Therea are a couple of vegitarian lowcarb pages in the FAQ.
Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and
> really dont need to lose weight, since I am about the ideal weight
> my build and age. I'm just trying to find this out.
Read the Atkins website for the basic information on what the diet
entails. Please read PAST the induction phase to get the whole picture.
I also suggest checking out several of the other lowcarb plans.
I also wonder if
> Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat
> industry to promote their foods?
No.
Anyone that seems to promote one
> particular type of food makes me wonder.
He promoted real food. Fresh food. Meats, dairy, VEGETABLES and FRUIT,
and most importantly (the media always focuses on the the protien
instead) quality fats. The only thing he had a bias against was high
starch and sugars and overly processed foods.
I found a biography of him
> online, but nothing was mentioned about what his father did for a
> living, or if there were other brothers or sisters and what they did.
Perhaps he didn't have any. In any case I'm sure the PCRM (Physician's
Committee for Responsible Medicine --please read up about these scum
here: http://www.activistcash.com/) would have found any "dirt" or
anything that could be twisted into "dirt" and published it by now.
> I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all
> other doctors disapprove of his diet.
Argument from authority. Just because they are doctors doesn't make
every word they utter holy writ. Most doctors have less nutrtional
education than your average 13 year old. Most have been brainwashed by
the lowfat meme anyway. And it is a meme. There is no real science
proving that lowfat does anything like the claims made for it. Even
after 30 years of trying. If you care to read the actual publication of
data on lowfat as compared to the SUMMARY (which is what usually gets
quoted in the media) you'll start seeing a major discrepancy between
what the data says and what the researchers 'conclude' from it.
Please go here and read real medical studies done in real research
institutions run by real scientists.
http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp
They state that there is usually
> a short term weight loss,
Weight loss is weight loss. That is always a good thing.
>but it's only short term
If you go back to eating the way that got you fat, you'll get fat again.
This is true of any diet. This is why Atkins (or any other lowcarb
plan) is not a diet. It is a permanent change in the way you approach
food.
and the side
> effects are dangerous.
Pure lies. No more dangerous than lowfat or lowcal, and in my opinion
far less dangerous.
> I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the
> latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs.
Read the literature. Don't rely on the media, nor especially
nutritionists or dieticians, damn few of which have actually read any of
the lowcarb plans or use the brains they were born with.
Two good books on the subject are Laura Richard's "The Secret to Low
Carb Success" http://www.lowcarbsuccess.net/ which gives an overview of
the various plans, and Lyle McDonald's "The Ketogenic Diet"
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/bio.htm which delves into
the science behind lowcarb-- and I do mean delve. Then there is also
the asdlc FAQ http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm.
> Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat
> fresh foods. I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and
> retain a decent weight.
Good for you. So do we ASDLCers. ;)

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JC Der Koenig - 06 Mar 2004 11:24 GMT
You don't. Just try eating less and exercising more until you adopt a
sensible way of eating.

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> I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet? It seems an
> impossibility. Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and
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> Mark
ToolPackinMama - 06 Mar 2004 14:41 GMT
> I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet?
High protein, low carb. Emphasize high-protien foods, reduce fruit
consumption, emphasize salad greens, avoid bread and pasta. No ice
cream, no pies, no cookies, no cakes. Cut the sugar from your diet.
A. Brown - 06 Mar 2004 18:13 GMT
> I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet?
My boyfriend is a "pescetarian" - he eats fish and seafood but is
otherwise vegetarian. That makes things much easier, because I can always
make some sort of fish/seafood meals.
When he's on his own, though, he doesn't cook much besides eggs (and he
won't eat canned fish), so his protein comes mostly from eggs, dairy,
nuts, and soy products (unfortunately, not tofu, but those highly
processed fake meats - vegetarian sausage, burgers, etc.) I'll eat those
once in a while, but I have serious doubts about how healthy they, so I
don't eat them often.
We never did "Atkins" specifically, and neither of us had enough weight
to lose to ever restrict our carbs drastically - we usually tried to get
at least 60g per day, so there was plenty of room there for us to include
some beans, lentils, grains, etc.
To do REALLY low carb would not be easy for a vegetarian, and even harder
for a vegan. The challenge, of course, is be getting enough protein
without going over the carb "limit", since vegetable forms of protein are
going to have more carbs than animal forms. Additional calories could
always be provided by vegetable fats.
>I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all
>other doctors disapprove of his diet. They state that there is usually
>a short term weight loss, but it's only short term and the side
>effects are dangerous.
>I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the
>latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs.
Like most diets, you can choose to eat wisely or poorly. And like most
diets, if you "go off it" and go back to your previous eating habits, the
weight won't stay off. Some people do "low carb" by eating bacon
cheeseburgers without the bun, eating highly processed "low carb"
versions of otherwise high-carb foods, etc. Others do it by eating
vegetables, fruits, healthy fats, lean meats, and other nutritious
"real" food.
>Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat
>fresh foods. I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and
>retain a decent weight.
Bravo for you. I would imagine that if you did want to lose weight, you'd
probably only need to eliminate the snack foods.
I know plenty of vegetarians who eat an incredibly poor diet - like a bag
of chips and a Diet Coke for breakfast. It seems to me that a vegetarian
who is eating fresh, natural foods and avoiding sugars and processed
foods, is not going to be too likely to have a weight problem. Even if
they're eating a lot of carbs, they would also be getting a lot of fiber.
Of course, eating very high amounts of both carbs and fats can result in
an awful lot of calories, which is why it's probably easier for a
vegetarian to be on a low-fat diet rather than a low-carb diet.
I don't think it matters what kind of a diet you're on (if any), or if
you're vegetarian or not - eating highly processed foods is going to pack
on a lot of calories compared to eating 'real' food. That is just as true
for low-fat diets as low-carb diets. And ultimately, the studies I've
seen is that over time, the most important factor in any weight loss diet
is the amount of calories consumed. Low-fat diets suit some people
better, and low-carb diets suit others better. It's important to make the
lifestyle change that works for you, because it IS a lifestyle change. I
do FAR better and feel much healthier on low-carb - but that's very
likely because when I was doing low-fat, I was attempting to "fill up" on
breads and pastas. Knowing what I know now, if I went back to a "low fat,
high-carb" diet, I would probably be just as successful, since I would
make different choices, and still avoid the bread and pasta - instead,
I'd be eating whole grains, legumes, starchy vegetables, etc. But that's
one of the big advantages of a low-carb diet and why it has become so
popular - it pretty much forces people to stop eating the foods that were
causing the weight gain, controls the cravings caused by wild swings in
their blood sugar, and keeps them more "satisified" with what they eat.
For many people, this makes a permanent change in their way of eating
easier, so they're more likely to stick with it.

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Jean M. - 06 Mar 2004 22:13 GMT
>I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet? It seems an
>impossibility. Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and
>really dont need to lose weight, since I am about the ideal weight for
>my build and age. I'm just trying to find this out.
You could read the book or the website. :-)
Now, to what I suspect is the crux of your question:
>I also wonder if
>Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat
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>
>Mark
"Almost all other doctors" do not disapprove of this way of eating.
The ones who do don't know what this way of eating is supposed to be:
healthy fats, healthy complex carbs, healthy protein. Pass a typical
day's menus past any doctor and they'd say it is healthy. Of course
there are those who say they are doing Atkins but aren't. If you want
to know what Atkins is, and isn't, read the book.
LCer09 - 06 Mar 2004 23:56 GMT
> I also wonder if
>Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat
>industry to promote their foods? Anyone that seems to promote one
>particular type of food makes me wonder.
Well of course he was paid by the beef industry. How else can you explain an
all-meat diet? <rolling eyes>
LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 265/223/140
& hubby- 310/244/180
TavliGal - 07 Mar 2004 18:19 GMT
>>> I also wonder if
>>> Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat
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>> Well of course he was paid by the beef industry. How else can you
>> explain an all-meat diet? <rolling eyes>
Wow that's so similar to Oprah, she was paid by the poultry industry don't
cha know?
;) Monica

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Laureen - 08 Mar 2004 17:23 GMT
> >>> I also wonder if
> >>> Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat
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> cha know?
> ;) Monica
Dang! Where is Violet when we need her. Violet was a wonderful person
who lost a mass of weight a year back. She was a vegetarian and
managed to do it fine though I think she got a bit too skinny. Go into
the Google archives and type in "{Violet Mourning". She used egg
crepes a lot for things. It can be done but it takes some ingenuity at
times when you get sick of eggs, that is if you eat eggs. Laureen
Jean M. - 08 Mar 2004 21:29 GMT
>Dang! Where is Violet when we need her. Violet was a wonderful person
>who lost a mass of weight a year back. She was a vegetarian and
>managed to do it fine though I think she got a bit too skinny. Go into
>the Google archives and type in "{Violet Mourning". She used egg
>crepes a lot for things. It can be done but it takes some ingenuity at
>times when you get sick of eggs, that is if you eat eggs. Laureen
Here are links from her page, courtesy of archive.org:
http://tinyurl.com/yudy5
Archon - 08 Mar 2004 22:45 GMT
> I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet? It seems an
Tofu, eggs and cheese (unless you're vegan), nuts, protein powder, green
vegestables, perhaps legumes (after induction. Red lentils have the best
protein content).