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carla - 09 Mar 2004 12:44 GMT
My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.

I have managed to avoid much overeating and bad eating by controlling what I
have around me.  I bring low-carb snacks to work so that I don't need to hit
the vending machine.  I count calories carefully.  I've had some success.

But there's a secretary in my office, one who sits right next to my
secretary, who keeps a public candy bowl on the top of her bay.  I walk by
it a thousand times a day.  Every time I go to the bathroom, refill my water
bottle, go to the cafeteria, go to a meeting on another floor, go to the
supply closet or copy room, I walk by it - once on the way there, once on
the way back.

I have no trouble staying out of it all day long, but when I am working
late, it gets harder and harder to keep my mitts out of it.  Last night I
was at the office past 11:00pm, and I hit the stupid candy bowl ... not just
once either, and not for the first time.

The scale hasn't really budged for me in over two weeks, and I know the
reason, which is why I haven't been complaining about it.  Now I am not
complaining, but crying for help.  Will someone please help me kick my inner
WFFID's a.s to the curb?  Some resonating rhetoric might echo in my head
when my hand heads for the bowl, and help me with this raw exercise of will.

carla
JC Der Koenig - 09 Mar 2004 12:59 GMT
When is the last time you looked at yourself naked in the mirror? Do you
look good to yourself?

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.
>
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>
> carla
carla - 09 Mar 2004 13:04 GMT
> When is the last time you looked at yourself naked in the mirror? Do you
> look good to yourself?

*sigh* I take a long hard look every day - I'm very vain that way - and no,
I don't like the way I look.(*)  I can't strip down and use that strategy in
the office (well, not if I want to keep my job, anyhow), but I'll try to
carry the mental image with me.

(*) To add some precision to that statement, I don't like the way I look,
but I like the small improvements I'm seeing, and that too should be an
incentive to stay the f.ck out of the candy.  I'm getting pretty cool
biceps, and I like to imagine how much cooler they'll look without the layer
of blubber hiding their true glory ...

carla
JC Der Koenig - 09 Mar 2004 13:34 GMT
> > When is the last time you looked at yourself naked in the mirror? Do you
> > look good to yourself?
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>
> carla

Think of how strong you'll feel when you can walk by the candy and scoff at
the notion of its lure. You have biceps!
Nicholson's - 09 Mar 2004 13:04 GMT
> My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.
>
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>
> carla

Carla,,, for now,, how about you just take few plain almonds to nash at when
you are in need. From there,, you can back down off the almonds after you
break the habit of reaching out when tired.

just a thought,
cheryl
martymkm@webtv.net - 09 Mar 2004 21:08 GMT
carla wrote:
My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.
I have managed to avoid much overeating and bad eating by controlling
what I have around me. I bring low-carb snacks to work so that I don't
need to hit the vending machine. I count calories carefully. I've had
some success.
But there's a secretary in my office, one who sits right next to my
secretary, who keeps a public candy bowl on the top of her bay. I walk
by it a thousand times a day. Every time I go to the bathroom, refill my
water bottle, go to the cafeteria, go to a meeting on another floor, go
to the supply closet or copy room, I walk by it - once on the way there,
once on the way back.
I have no trouble staying out of it all day long, but when I am working
late, it gets harder and harder to keep my mitts out of it. Last night I
was at the office past 11:00pm, and I hit the stupid candy bowl ... not
just once either, and not for the first time.
The scale hasn't really budged for me in over two weeks, and I know the
reason, which is why I haven't been complaining about it. Now I am not
complaining, but crying for help. Will someone please help me kick my
inner WFFID's a.s to the curb? Some resonating rhetoric might echo in my
head when my hand heads for the bowl, and help me with this raw exercise
of will.

--------------------------------

Carla, I would kick your a.s to the curb clear across the street if I
though it would help. <G>
But seriously, when I find myself in similar circumstances I STOP,
gently close my eyes, take a deep calming breath, and in my "minds eye"
I envision what I want to look like at the end of my journey thru this
WOE. You can do it! I for one know it's hard, but think about what lies
at the end of this trip, and take pride in what you have accomplished so
far. Like the cig. commercial said, "you've come a long way baby" You
have worked too hard to let something like this derail you now.
Best Wishes; Marty
Robyn Rosenthal - 09 Mar 2004 13:29 GMT
>From: "carla" cmtlevy@yahoo.com

>My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.
>
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>was at the office past 11:00pm, and I hit the stupid candy bowl ... not just
>once either, and not for the first time.

>carla

Carla,

Can you ask her to put the candy in her desk or her credenza or something when
she leaves for the night?

If not, maybe the thought that if you can't keep yourself out of her candy you
will have to ask her to hide it from you at night will keep you out of the
candy:)Robyn
Jean Staffen - 09 Mar 2004 13:39 GMT
I caught myself thinking (when opening the fridge late one night) "If nobody
sees me eat this, it won't make me fat." One devil on the shoulder
identified.  This devil on the shoulder wants me FAT!

> My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.
>
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>
> carla
Bear - 09 Mar 2004 13:43 GMT
Buy some SF stuff and allow yourself say 2 a day. If you know you'll get
*something* you may be able to resist knowing there's a treat with your name
on it.  ???
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> My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.
>
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>
> carla
Roger Zoul - 09 Mar 2004 14:28 GMT
Carla,

If you don't stay out of the damn candy jar you'll never gain control over
your weight.

Make a decision and follow through.

:: My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.
::
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::
:: carla
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 09 Mar 2004 14:39 GMT
> My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> WFFID's a.s to the curb?  Some resonating rhetoric might echo in my head
> when my hand heads for the bowl, and help me with this raw exercise of will.

other people have suggested substitutes, but i'm not going to do that.
what i'm going to suggest is that you butch the hell up and DON'T STICK
YOUR DAMN HAND IN THE BOWL to start with.  do you even really want the
candy?  is it that good?  or are you just dipping into it from a
combination of stress and habit?  

either way: don't.  

just don't.

yeah, i know how hard it is.  the free candy bowl at my job?  lives on
my desk.

you know what the deal is, carla.  you don't want to be fat any more.
you know you can't have just one.  so don't let yourself get started.

it's hard, but it's also the simplest thing in the world.
Bear - 09 Mar 2004 14:52 GMT
Better advice than mine.
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Highest weight   353
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> > My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.
> >
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>
> it's hard, but it's also the simplest thing in the world.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 11 Mar 2004 04:17 GMT
> Better advice than mine.

i'm not opposed to substitutes.  i use them myself (sunflower seeds).
but sometimes it's the behavior that needs to be changed, not the food.
CarbAddict - 11 Mar 2004 11:55 GMT
>  From: The Queen of Cans and Jars (Thu, 11 Mar 2004 04:17:59 GMT)
> MsgId: <1gag8ao.tcwg2l1ofyj97N%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet>
>
> sometimes it's the behavior that needs to be changed, not the food.

My wish for the newsgroup would be that everyone get this statement.

There are folks who eat for nutrition. The rest of us eat because food
tastes good.

There's little reason not to enjoy what you're eating. But is the enjoyment
the primary purpose of the eating? I think for most overweight people, it
is. So even though there is little dietary benefit to eating Ice Cream, my
heart is all aflutter over Breyer's CarbSmart. I have "LC" bread. I have
"LC" syrup and "LC" pancake mix.

These things work. I've been using them, and my BF% is improving. But they
only work on one level. One area they DON'T work is in helping me break a
psychological addiction to foods. LC'ing has helped me not crave food so
much. I should support my goals by not replacing all my High Carb food with
LC versions of the same food. Rather, I should eat real food with
nutritional benefits that are naturally low in carbs.

I had some Russel Stover candies one day based on the recommendation of
friends (I love turtles), and found myself wondering "WTF am I eating this
for?" I haven't had any artificial snack-type foods since.

Folks, we _are_ attempting a new way of eating. Support your goals. Don't
undermine them. Eat for nutrition. Enjoy it along the way, but eat for
nutrition. If you're eating because you love food, failure will always be
knocking at your door.

Oh, and while I'm ranting ... :) I also had a moment of thinking about
target daily caloric intake. Some people might see the ideal caloric intake
for their desired weight and think "that's barely any food." If that's your
first thought, you know what camp you fall into. We shouldn't be moaning
that we can't consume more fuel just because we like the taste of the fuel.

If I have a car that only needs one fill-up to get me through a week, I'm
thinking "great". I'm not sad because it won't burn (and require) more
fuel. I'm not going out of my way to buy lower octane fuel just so I can
buy gas more often.

Think about it folks...
carla - 11 Mar 2004 14:01 GMT
> >  From: The Queen of Cans and Jars (Thu, 11 Mar 2004 04:17:59 GMT)
> > MsgId: <1gag8ao.tcwg2l1ofyj97N%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> There are folks who eat for nutrition. The rest of us eat because food
> tastes good.

[remainder of excellent post snipped]

CarbAddict, that was a great post.  It was - um - food for thought.

I am a foodie, and I do get a lot of pleasure out of preparing and eating
good food.  When I look forward to my future, at-goal self, I try to imagine
how I will adjust my approach to good food so I can stay at goal.  I think I
will still get great pleasure out of a wonderful meal, but I have to teach
myself to understand that not every meal has to be a delicious, wonderful
meal.  Most of the time I will prepare something simple, nutritious, and
good enough that I want to eat it.  Perhaps once a week I will prepare
something truly special at home, or go out to an excellent restaurant.  I
note that a truly special meal need not be off-plan - happily I have found
this to be so for low-carb, where it was not for low-fat - but crossing the
line from eating for fuel to eating for pleasure something I will need to
avoid nearly all the time.

carla
carla - 10 Mar 2004 04:55 GMT
> other people have suggested substitutes, but i'm not going to do that.
> what i'm going to suggest is that you butch the hell up and DON'T STICK
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> just don't.

Thanks to everyone for the great advice and comments.

I did not touch the candy today, because I knew you all would kick my a.s if
I came back here and said I did!  :-)  I worked until about 8:15pm, and then
I went to the gym and lifted some heavy things.

Tomorrow, no gym, but also no candy.  It's funny - for the first couple
months since I started my plan, I had no trouble staying out of it.  But the
last week or two I just got weak.  I don't know; I'm working on an
unpleasant project at work, etc., all the usual excuses for slippage.   It's
*over* now.  That's all.

> yeah, i know how hard it is.  the free candy bowl at my job?  lives on
> my desk.

Wow, how the hell do you do that?   I will never be the person with the
candy bowl.

carla
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 11 Mar 2004 04:15 GMT
> > other people have suggested substitutes, but i'm not going to do that.
> > what i'm going to suggest is that you butch the hell up and DON'T STICK
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> unpleasant project at work, etc., all the usual excuses for slippage.   It's
> *over* now.  That's all.

it's hard for me to make good decisions about food when i'm unhappy or
under stress.  my normally reliable common sense just flies out the
window.  i'm very conscious of the fact that i'm making a stupid choice,
but sometimes i go ahead and make it anyhow.  

i don't think you were making excuses.  you knew what you were doing,
and you knew you needed to stop it so you did.  

> > yeah, i know how hard it is.  the free candy bowl at my job?  lives on
> > my desk.
> >
> Wow, how the hell do you do that?   I will never be the person with the
> candy bowl.

when i am stressed out and know that my resistance is low, i keep myself
busy with sunflower seeds.  most of the time, i just don't think about
it.  it's just hard candy; if it was chocolate i'd already be dead.  not
that i've managed to stay out of it entirely, mind you.  but it is less
of a siren than other things are for me.  

fortunately, it's going away as soon as it's empty.  my boss and i
discussed it and we decided that we don't need to be feeding anyone's
sugar habit.  if they want it, they can get their own.
carla - 11 Mar 2004 13:54 GMT
> it's hard for me to make good decisions about food when i'm unhappy or
> under stress.  my normally reliable common sense just flies out the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> i don't think you were making excuses.  you knew what you were doing,
> and you knew you needed to stop it so you did.

I worked late again last night - I was at the office until 1:00 AM revising
a brief whose deadline is swift approaching.  I stayed out of the candy
again.

I think you are right - I got weak for a while, and then decided enough was
enough.  I've had some loss show up on the scale in the last two days and
I'd like to hang on to it, thanks very  much.

One thing about me and candy - it's much easier for me to have none than to
have just one piece.  One of the things that happened during the dark days
when I ate the candy was that I would nab "just one piece" on my way by.
Then I'd start returning and the handfuls would get a little bigger each
time.  Oh, so *that's* what everyone means by "trigger food."

> fortunately, it's going away as soon as it's empty.  my boss and i
> discussed it and we decided that we don't need to be feeding anyone's
> sugar habit.  if they want it, they can get their own.

A funny aside - the secretary who keeps the candy bowl is in the office
Weight Watchers program; she has lost some weight and is (sometimes) pretty
gung-ho about her program.  I don't know how she can have the candy there,
but I guess she can stay out of it too.  It is incongruous, though, that
while she sends out these encouraging emails to the entire firm soliciting
Weight Watchers members, she also provides free sugar to everyone who walks
by.

carla
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 12 Mar 2004 13:48 GMT
> One thing about me and candy - it's much easier for me to have none than to
> have just one piece.  

me too.  one is almost never enough, but if i don't have any to start
with it's not a problem.

> It is incongruous, though, that while she sends out these encouraging
> emails to the entire firm soliciting Weight Watchers members, she also
> provides free sugar to everyone who walks by.

incongruous is putting it nicely.  i'd say it's hypocritical.
Cate - 09 Mar 2004 15:03 GMT
> Some resonating rhetoric might echo in my head
> when my hand heads for the bowl, and help me with this raw exercise of
> will.

Here are my willpower mantras:

I *choose* what goes in my mouth. Me. Only me. It's *my* choice. I *choose*
not to eat that.

The other comes straight from DANDR: Not that, not now. Right now, weight
loss is my destiny, and I can visualize what I want to feel like and look
like. Eating that will keep me from feeling and looking that way.

I also agree with the other poster that suggested you ask that secretary to
put the candy dish away when she leaves for the day.

Cate
curious - 09 Mar 2004 17:55 GMT
Cate said: Here are my willpower mantras:

I *choose* what goes in my mouth. Me. Only me. It's *my* choice. I *choose*
not to eat that.

------

I agree 100%.

There are many things in life about which we have no control, Carla. You may not even be able to control IF you have to work that night, but you, and you alone, control what goes into your mouth. This should actually make you feel good...that  you don't any longer have to be fat...because you are in control of at least this one area of your life.

If you choose to take a piece of candy in your mouth, you are still in control, right? You are telling yourself, "I choose to eat this candy because I like it, and in doing so, I choose not to lose that pound I want to lose" because, in essence, that is what you are doing.  Once you realize that your diet is probably the easiest thing to control about your life, there is a real feeling of "can do it" again.  Most things in life (diseases, children's health, accidents, even income, gas hikes, behavior of others, etc.) we really don't control ...we react to them...our diet, however, usually is within our control.

Becky P.
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LCer09 - 09 Mar 2004 21:04 GMT
>Here are my willpower mantras:
>
>I *choose* what goes in my mouth. Me. Only me. It's *my* choice. I *choose*
>not to eat that.

I say "I don't eat that." Not I can't, but I DON'T. Helps me quite a bit.

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 265/223/140
& hubby- 310/244/180
Cate - 09 Mar 2004 22:04 GMT
lcer09@aol.com (LCer09) wrote in news:20040309160418.18347.00000914@mb-
m06.aol.com:

> I say "I don't eat that." Not I can't, but I DON'T. Helps me quite a bit.

Good one.

I forgot one that I used to quit smoking:

That [cigarette, M&M, piece of pie, bowl of ice cream, what have you] won't
taste any different than the last one I ate 6 months ago. It still tastes
the same as it did then, and I don't need to put it in my mouth to prove
it.

Cate
Luna - 10 Mar 2004 00:08 GMT
> >Here are my willpower mantras:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Me- 265/223/140
> & hubby- 310/244/180

I do the same thing.  I even phrase it that way when refusing carby
offerings from others.

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LCer09 - 10 Mar 2004 00:40 GMT
>I do the same thing.  I even phrase it that way when refusing carby
>offerings from others.

Exactly. If you say "I can't eat that cookie because I can't have sugar" you
get all kinds of questions & encouragement to 'just have one' or whatnot. I
just say "I don't eat sugar" and nobody makes a second suggestion that I change
my mind!

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 265/223/140
& hubby- 310/244/180
carla - 10 Mar 2004 04:58 GMT
> I also agree with the other poster that suggested you ask that secretary to
> put the candy dish away when she leaves for the day.

I might think about that.  I'm reluctant to do it because other attorneys
who work late probably enjoy having it there.  But I did especially like the
suggestion that poster (Robyn) made of using that to my advantage - I don't
want to have to ask her to put it away, so I'd better just exercise some
damn self control.  :-)

carla
Marsha - 10 Mar 2004 00:36 GMT
> The scale hasn't really budged for me in over two weeks, and I know the
> reason, which is why I haven't been complaining about it.  Now I am not
> complaining, but crying for help.  Will someone please help me kick my inner
> WFFID's a.s to the curb?  Some resonating rhetoric might echo in my head
> when my hand heads for the bowl, and help me with this raw exercise of will.

Repeat after me...I am stronger than the candy.  Inhale
deeply.  Think of something else as you pass the bowl.

Marsha/Ohio
Luna - 10 Mar 2004 02:28 GMT
> > The scale hasn't really budged for me in over two weeks, and I know the
> > reason, which is why I haven't been complaining about it.  Now I am not
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Marsha/Ohio

This may make me sound weak, but when I'm around food I should not eat, it
helps me to distract my mouth by drinking water or chewing sugarless gum.  
At the movie theater job, I chew on the pellet ice instead of popcorn.  I
chew my gum and flatten it out with my tounge, then wrap it around some ice
pellets and crunch it.  It's kinda fun actually.

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emkay - 10 Mar 2004 01:42 GMT
If the "just don't do it" approach isn't quite working, you could try
chewing SF  gum.  It keeps me from snacking (peppermint especially).

Em
Piedlourde - 10 Mar 2004 08:35 GMT
Hoo boy, I hate those communal candy bowls.

You've been doing great, carla. People have offered great suggestions. Mine is,
imagine what the candy does to your teeth. Every time you walk by the bowl,
think of how happy you are not to be sitting in a dentist's chair with a big
buzzing drill coming at you.

Hmmm... I used to be addicted to those mints that they put in a bowl by the
door at diners, until someone told me the percentage of people who don't wash
their hands after they leave the restroom. Then I thought of them as Pee Mints
and I was fine with passing them up.

So, I dunno, imagine how many people in your office only wash their hands when
someone else is in the restroom. <g>

<< My inner WFFID has had the advantage recently.

I have managed to avoid much overeating and bad eating by controlling what I
have around me.  I bring low-carb snacks to work so that I don't need to hit
the vending machine.  I count calories carefully.  I've had some success.

But there's a secretary in my office, one who sits right next to my
secretary, who keeps a public candy bowl on the top of her bay.  I walk by
it a thousand times a day.  Every time I go to the bathroom, refill my water
bottle, go to the cafeteria, go to a meeting on another floor, go to the
supply closet or copy room, I walk by it - once on the way there, once on
the way back.

I have no trouble staying out of it all day long, but when I am working
late, it gets harder and harder to keep my mitts out of it.  Last night I
was at the office past 11:00pm, and I hit the stupid candy bowl ... not just
once either, and not for the first time.

The scale hasn't really budged for me in over two weeks, and I know the
reason, which is why I haven't been complaining about it.  Now I am not
complaining, but crying for help.  Will someone please help me kick my inner
WFFID's a.s to the curb?  Some resonating rhetoric might echo in my head
when my hand heads for the bowl, and help me with this raw exercise of will.

carla

Piedlourde
Cailleachschilde - 10 Mar 2004 10:41 GMT
>Hmmm... I used to be addicted to those mints that they put in a bowl by the
>door at diners, until someone told me the percentage of people who don't wash
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>when
>someone else is in the restroom. <g>

My pet peeve.  I notice about 1/3 of women don't wash their hands when using a
public restroom.  Grosses me out.

Yvonne
carla - 10 Mar 2004 12:25 GMT
> So, I dunno, imagine how many people in your office only wash their hands when
> someone else is in the restroom. <g>

eeeeeew.  About a year ago we actually had a memo from human resources about
that - evidently someone had noticed that people weren't washing and must
have complained to HR about it.  It was one of those things that just makes
people think, WTF is human resources thinking?  I don't know if it shamed
anyone into changing his or her behavior.

carla
 
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