March 2, 2004 -- The Atkins Diet and other weight-loss plans that
limit carbohydrates can turn you into a sourpuss, a new study shows.
Scientists found carbohydrates help boost the production of serotonin
which controls emotions and a shortage can lead to mood swings and
depression.
"[Serotonin is] essential to keep your moods regulated," said lead
researcher Dr. Judith Wurtman of the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology.
Her team discovered the brain makes serotonin only after a person
consumes sweet or starchy carbohydrates in combination with very
little or no protein. So while a meal of pasta allows the brain to
make serotonin, eating chicken and potatoes actually stops it from
being produced.
This explains why people can still feel hungry after chowing down on a
large steak - because, while their stomachs are full, their brains are
not making enough serotonin to stop their appetite.
A lack of carbohydrates also tends to have more impact on women than
men, because women have less serotonin in their brains, the study
found.
(GOT THAT QUEEN?)
"When you take away the carbohydrates, it's like taking away water
from someone hiking in the desert," Wurtman told the BBC.
Stuart Trager of the Atkins Physician Council said clinical research
contradicted the MIT findings.
He pointed to one study that showed controlling carbohydrate intake
improved the mood of 51 percent of those who took part in lab tests.
Nancy Howells - 09 Mar 2004 12:48 GMT
> March 2, 2004 -- The Atkins Diet and other weight-loss plans that
> limit carbohydrates can turn you into a sourpuss, a new study shows.
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> researcher Dr. Judith Wurtman of the Massachusetts Institute of
> Technology.
improved the mood of 51 percent of those who took part in lab tests.
How funny - I read a similar study awhile ago that said that people on
very low-fat diets became very angry very easily. And we know you can't
be on a high-carb/high-fat diet - that way leads to destruction. Hm...
ps - there are certain people at the MIT whom I wouldn't listen to - and
I can't say anything that will get me into trouble here, despite
personal experiences, but let's just say...

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Mirek Fidler - 09 Mar 2004 12:59 GMT
> Her team discovered the brain makes serotonin only after a person
> consumes sweet or starchy carbohydrates in combination with very
> little or no protein. So while a meal of pasta allows the brain to
I think this really explains a lot. If consuming carbs generates
serotonin then it explains why carbs are addictive.
Mirek
Roger Zoul - 09 Mar 2004 13:21 GMT
::: Her team discovered the brain makes serotonin only after a person
::: consumes sweet or starchy carbohydrates in combination with very
::: little or no protein. So while a meal of pasta allows the brain to
::
:: I think this really explains a lot. If consuming carbs generates
:: serotonin then it explains why carbs are addictive.
That would be another reason...BG swings are yet another.
Mirek Fidler - 09 Mar 2004 14:46 GMT
> ::: Her team discovered the brain makes serotonin only after a person
> ::: consumes sweet or starchy carbohydrates in combination with very
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>
> That would be another reason...BG swings are yet another.
My another favorit theory is that as you need some amount of protein to
repair your body (say 1g/kg) and some amount of fat for your body to
work properly, your body sends hunger singals as long as you do not get
it. If you feed it with carbs, you can trick it for a while (perhaps by
mentioned serotonin signaling), but hunger returns as there still is not
enough protein and fat. So on high carb diet you either end eating a lot
(until that low percent of fat and protein does not reaches your needs),
or are constantly hungry.
But of course, these all factors likely work together...
Mirek
Harold Groot - 10 Mar 2004 00:28 GMT
>> Her team discovered the brain makes serotonin only after a person
>> consumes sweet or starchy carbohydrates in combination with very
>> little or no protein. So while a meal of pasta allows the brain to
>I think this really explains a lot. If consuming carbs generates
>serotonin then it explains why carbs are addictive.
>Mirek
I don't know if this can be called a "discovery", though. I refer you
to the book "Potatos, Not Prozac" where this phenomenon is discussed.
The basic mechanism related there works like this:
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The bloodstream normally contains a mixture of amino acids. Among
these is tryptophan. They all use the same gateway to cross the
blood/brain barrier and reach the brain. Tryptophan is used to create
serotonin.
When there is a release of insulin, it not only forces blood sugar
into cells, it also forces amino acids into cells - EXCEPT tryptophan.
As a consequence, a release of insulin means much less competition for
the tryptophan at those gateways to the brain at the blood/brain
barrier. Without the competition from the other amino acids, many
more molecules of typtophan reach the brain and become available for
the making of serotonin.
Carbs eaten by themselves will cause a release of insulin. Therefore,
the authors recomended eating a small baked potato (40-60g carbs as I
recall) to cause the insulin release. Eating protein and fat along
with the carbs will slow down the digestion of the carbs and won't
give as large an insulin release.
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Naturally, those familiar with the Atkins book recognize a problem
with this approach. The Atkins book claims that many of us have a
problem - that we are releasing TOO MUCH INSULIN, in turn causing
blood sugar to drop too quickly, leading to hunger and overeating.
There is also the matter of insulin resistance to be taken into
account. I know that insulin resistance means that the cells have
problems taking up blood sugar in response to insulin - but does it
also mean that they have problems taking up the amino acids? I would
=guess= that these require different gateways into the cells, but I
don't know. =IF= standard insulin resistance only affects the passage
of blood sugar into the cells and doesn't affect passage of amino
acids into cells, the constant high levels of insulin in many people
on the ASDLC newsgroup would mean the brain is getting PLENTY of
tryptophan. (Could this explains the "fat and jolly" stereotype?)
While it is good to be aware of various approaches, we need to keep in
mind that there are many, MANY ways our bodies may respond to various
diets, therapies, medications and so on. There is no single approach
that is best for everyone. Some people have their hunger reduced
dramatically with lowcarb. Others do not. Some lose weight quickly,
others do not. Some digest sugar alcohols as if they were sugar,
others do not. Some people benefit from certain supplements, others
do not.
"Your body, your science project" is a good summary. If people want
to try something and see how their body reacts, that's great. But it
is well to keep in mind that there is no single plan that works best
for everyone.
Tom - 09 Mar 2004 16:13 GMT
I guess it's more a point of view regarding mood swings. When people take
drugs, they feel happy temporarily, but are generally miserable. They have
to take more and more to get that euphoric feeling. People that don't take
drugs will never feel that euphoria, but are generally happy. I think
carbohydrates cause a similar feeling. You get tricked into thinking they
make you feel good, and then the cycle gets worse. More carbs are needed to
feel normal.
my body + high carb = fat (not happy)
my body + low carb = slim (very happy)
Tom
210/185/180
(almost very happy)
> March 2, 2004 -- The Atkins Diet and other weight-loss plans that
> limit carbohydrates can turn you into a sourpuss, a new study shows.
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> He pointed to one study that showed controlling carbohydrate intake
> improved the mood of 51 percent of those who took part in lab tests.
SouthrnElf - 09 Mar 2004 19:06 GMT
I saw this on CNN and their doctor - Dr Gupta said he felt the weight loss
would more then make up for the lower seratonin levels.
Its my opinion that any diet can at times make you crabby. "Ain't no biggie"
and it sure isn't going to stop me.
curious - 09 Mar 2004 16:51 GMT
I've actually found that being on a LC diet has helped my mood swings, and as I've lost, I've felt much better. I think that "comfort foods" make you feel better for a while, just as drugs do, but in the long run, you feel worse, just like the person who uses drugs to make them feel better.
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diane - 09 Mar 2004 18:36 GMT
This was one of my excuses for not starting to low carb- I thought I would
get bitchy, like when I was on Scarsdale 20 years ago. That diet had you low
carb every other week I think- though those fruit salads were full of carbs.
I haven't had a bad day low carbing yet that I can blame on food.
As a matter of fact, I've been home today and didn't have my breakfast till
noon ( know I shouldn't skip meals). I had a ton of energy today and
actually was cleaning house, in between lots of postings. I was very aware
that I wasn't having the shakes from not eating like I would if I was on my
old high carb lifestyle

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> I've actually found that being on a LC diet has helped my mood swings, and as I've lost, I've felt much better. I think that "comfort foods" make you
feel better for a while, just as drugs do, but in the long run, you feel
worse, just like the person who uses drugs to make them feel better.
> Becky P.
> www.family.solidrockpl.org
> 199/145.5/135
Dawn Taylor - 09 Mar 2004 17:54 GMT
>March 2, 2004 -- The Atkins Diet and other weight-loss plans that
>limit carbohydrates can turn you into a sourpuss, a new study shows.
And yet ... I have had considerably less problems with depression
since I started eating low-carb, I assume because I no longer have
blood-sugar related mood swings.
Generalizing -- even under the auspices of a serious study -- is such
a dangerous thing.
Dawn
CarbAddict - 10 Mar 2004 14:41 GMT
> From: Dawn Taylor (Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:54:55 -0800)
> MsgId: <141s40t0sjoqttc64h6r85skl6cjd3lvch@4ax.com>
>
> Generalizing -- even under the auspices of a serious study -- is such
> a dangerous thing.
I agree. Or at least not terribly accurate.
Do you have any idea how often you start off sentences with "Anyone
who..." ;-)
Dawn Taylor - 10 Mar 2004 18:32 GMT
>> From: Dawn Taylor (Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:54:55 -0800)
>> MsgId: <141s40t0sjoqttc64h6r85skl6cjd3lvch@4ax.com>
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>Do you have any idea how often you start off sentences with "Anyone
>who..." ;-)
Not that often, actually. Usually I only use it on people who are
proving themselves to be stereotypes. :-)
Dawn
Jean B. - 09 Mar 2004 19:03 GMT
> March 2, 2004 -- The Atkins Diet and other weight-loss plans that
> limit carbohydrates can turn you into a sourpuss, a new study shows.
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> He pointed to one study that showed controlling carbohydrate intake
> improved the mood of 51 percent of those who took part in lab tests.
Well, I have to say that I was simultaneously energized and in a
very bad frame of mind when I was in induction. My mood is better
now, and it might be because I am eating more than 20 g or carbs
per day. I wonder what level of carbs one needs (if this is
true)?

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Jenny - 09 Mar 2004 19:35 GMT
What is forgotten in all these discussions, is that despite what the drug
manufacturers would have you believe, science does not understand the
mechanism by which serotonin affects mood.
One book I read by a researcher who was expert on the nervous system that
controls the stomach (The book was called The Second Brain) pointed out that
while at first SSRI drugs raise serotonin levels, after a prolonged period
on an SSRI serotonin levels actually go down, not up and that this could be
seen quite clearly in the gastrointestinal tract which also uses serotonin
to moderate its functions. He made the point that the legal drug dealers'
explanation of how their mood drugs work is speculation, not backed by
rigorous lab science.
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> March 2, 2004 -- The Atkins Diet and other weight-loss plans that
> limit carbohydrates can turn you into a sourpuss, a new study shows.
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> He pointed to one study that showed controlling carbohydrate intake
> improved the mood of 51 percent of those who took part in lab tests.
marengo - 10 Mar 2004 00:00 GMT
| March 2, 2004 -- The Atkins Diet and other weight-loss plans that
| limit carbohydrates can turn you into a sourpuss, a new study shows.
| Scientists found carbohydrates help boost the production of serotonin
| which controls emotions and a shortage can lead to mood swings and
| depression.
ROFLMAO! I guess they gave up on the "kidney falling out" thing, so they're
trying something new. They really are morons.
Those of us who have been low-carbing know that Atkins et. al. actually
improve mental health and depression. Many of us have been able to stop
taking SSRI's (Prozak, Paxil) for depression and panic attacks. I'm one of
those people. I used to have embarrassing panic attacks in public places
that were triggered by a side effect of my 1998 stroke, and I was put on
Paxil -- that stopped the attacks but turned my into a zombie. After about 6
months on my low carb way of eating I heard about the positive effect on
such things, and weaned myself off of it. That was 2-1/2 years ago. When
my doctor heard what I had done she gave me a new prescription for
Clonazepam to take in case I had a panic attack. My old prescriptions
expired 3 months ago with most of the pills not taken, and I never have
refilled the new prescription. May panic attacks have virtually completely
stopped. (Oddly, though, I still can't go into Cracker Barrell restaurants
without panicking! Wierd, huh?)
Reducing sugars and carbohydrates has been used for more than 100 years to
treat mental illnesses, most notably hyperactivity and ADD in children.
Sugar/Carbs = bad for physical and mental health
low carbs/no sugar = good for physical and mental health

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Tony Lew - 10 Mar 2004 03:03 GMT
> March 2, 2004 -- The Atkins Diet and other weight-loss plans that
> limit carbohydrates can turn you into a sourpuss, a new study shows.
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> large steak - because, while their stomachs are full, their brains are
> not making enough serotonin to stop their appetite.
Where the hell did they get this from?
If this is true, then why do most people on low-carb diets feel
satisfied with far less food, whereas people on low-fat/high-carb
diets eat huge mounds of pasta and still feel hungry?