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The Dude - 10 Mar 2004 19:48 GMT Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the past couple months. I wanted to apologize because I have never properly introduced myself to the newsgroup. Here is my story...
First of all my user name is The Dude, but my real name is Phil. I am 40 years old, married, and have one dog; a beagle, doberman mix - We had two but we had to put down our other dog 2 days before Christmas :-( At any rate, I am 5' !0" and weigh 218lbs. I feel the right weight for me for my type of build is 170 lbs., this is my goal weight. I have been up and down over the past ten years with my weight. The lowest my adult weight has been was 175 lbs. That was in 1993, as a result of a starvation diet where I lost 30lbs. I quickly gained the weight back and then some. To make a long story short :-) I have tried Atkins in the past and could never get past then 3rd day of Induction, because I always get sick on the 3rd day. Anyway, My Mother has diabetes really bad and my Dad has diabetes slightly. My Grandmother on my Father side died of complications to diabetes. And now I've come to find out one of my brothers as diabetes. So I am at risk for diabetes. Anyway my approach to Atkins this time around is more of a determined approach because of the family diabetes situation.
Today is the first day of Induction for me. It will be a long road I know, but I am determined to go from my 44 size waist paints to my old 34 size paints - I've kept them in the attic as a motivation. Well that's about it. I will put pictures of myself and my progress on the Internet as soon as I can. Excuse me if I make some newsgroup etiquette mistakes as I am a newbie to the newsgroup scene, some of you know I made the OT mistake already :-)
Thanks,
-The Dude 220/218/170 Atkins since 3/10/04
Roger Zoul - 10 Mar 2004 20:01 GMT :: Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since :: Late December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] :: newsgroup etiquette mistakes as I am a newbie to the newsgroup :: scene, some of you know I made the OT mistake already :-) Welcome...don't sweat OT mistakes or any others for that matter....this is an unmoderated newsgroup, so those who sweat you just like wasting their time.
The Dude - 10 Mar 2004 20:13 GMT > Welcome...don't sweat OT mistakes or any others for that matter....this is > an unmoderated newsgroup, so those who sweat you just like wasting their > time. Thanks :-)
Emil Luca - 10 Mar 2004 20:54 GMT Talk to your Dr. about putting you on a low dose of Metformin. A drug study I have been in for 5 years has shown people that are overweight and have a family history of diabetes can lower the risk of getting diabetes by 30%. I have been low carb since Aug and by levels have decreased significantly.
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/welcome/releases/8_8_01.htm http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/news/docs/dpp.htm http://www.bsc.gwu.edu/dpp/aboutdpp.htmlvdoc
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> Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late > December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the past couple [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 220/218/170 > Atkins since 3/10/04 The Dude - 10 Mar 2004 21:58 GMT Thanks Emil, I will check the web sites out. My wife says that she has heard of metformin and kind of gave me a run down of what it does.
-The Dude
> Talk to your Dr. about putting you on a low dose of Metformin. A drug study > I have been in for 5 years has shown people that are overweight and have a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 08-12-03 > 369/314/200 miette - 10 Mar 2004 23:46 GMT > Today is the first day of Induction for me. It will be a long road I > know, but I am determined to go from my 44 size waist paints to my old [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 220/218/170 > Atkins since 3/10/04 Congrats and good luck on starting. Anyone can do it with determination. No worries about so-called "failures"... take them as learning experiences and try to use them to your advantage. Induction is a tough time and most people (minus the very few lucky ones) experience sickness during the first few days. I know I felt just terrible. What worked for me was always keeping in mind that it was only temporary and the benefits in the long run would far outweigh a few days of illness. I also made sure I ate lots of protein and fat for those all-too-common blood sugar drops that happens as your body adjusts to fat burning. It helps. Vitamins and plenty of water, too. Oh, and the book and/or website (http://atkins.com/). You'll definitely want to progress through the stages so maintenance will be easier once you get to that point.
I've found that attitude is 99.9% percent of the whole process. Don't let the small bumps get you down and always look at the bigger picture. Just my 2 cents.
~miette
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 02:14 GMT > Congrats and good luck on starting. Anyone can do it with determination. No > worries about so-called "failures"... take them as learning experiences and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > ~miette Thanks! :-) Yeah, from what I've heard feeling ill at the beginning is normal. I just have to persevere. I must admit however that the food cravings are starting to drop - that's a good sign!
-The Dude
Piedlourde - 11 Mar 2004 00:33 GMT Welcome, The Dude. Congratulations on starting, and your determination. You can do it.
The Dude Abides.
Piedlourde
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 02:14 GMT > Welcome, The Dude. Congratulations on starting, and your determination. You can > do it. > > The Dude Abides. > > Piedlourde Much Obliged! Thanks for the encouragement :-)
-The Dude
Jean M. - 11 Mar 2004 00:41 GMT >Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late >December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the past couple >months. I wanted to apologize because I have never properly introduced >myself to the newsgroup. Here is my story... Hi, Phil. Welcome to the group. I think you'll be surprised if you get a few more days of induction under your belt. :-)
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 02:16 GMT > >Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late > >December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the past couple [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hi, Phil. Welcome to the group. I think you'll be surprised if you get > a few more days of induction under your belt. :-) Thanks for the encouragement Jean! I have made it past day one better than I expected. Day 2 and 3 are critical.
-The Dude
Bear - 11 Mar 2004 03:24 GMT Hey Phil - I've seen a few of your posts and thought you were already LC'ing. Welcome to the NG. I'm a relative newbie but doing well. A bit of advice. LISTEN to the people who have a lot of experience under their shrinking belts. Some folks come in, having read the book and think they already have all the answers. They lose out, trust me. Good Luck.
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> Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late > December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the past couple [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 220/218/170 > Atkins since 3/10/04 The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 03:32 GMT Thanks Bear. I have been getting up the nerve and the money over the past couple of months to start. I don't know if it just me, but I find "LC'ing" to be a more expensive way to eat, albeit a better way to eat
-The Dude 220/218/170
> Hey Phil - I've seen a few of your posts and thought you were already > LC'ing. Welcome to the NG. I'm a relative newbie but doing well. A bit of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 353/297/267/210 > http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/ Bear - 11 Mar 2004 04:01 GMT Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are fairly cheap and taste better than chops if you ask me. You can buy the cheapest ground beef because it has more fat and thats ok. Especially on induction. It would help if you post a typical menu and maybe we can give you suggestions on how to save some money. I know that there are quite a few people on here who have to budget carefully. Hang in there, Dude.
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> Thanks Bear. I have been getting up the nerve and the money over the past > couple of months to start. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > 353/297/267/210 > > http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/ Luna - 11 Mar 2004 05:10 GMT Another thing to consider, and YMMV of course, but low-carb has helped to curb my appetite, so even if the food is more expensive, it stretches farther, so it all balances out.
> Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that > are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > 353/297/267/210 > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/
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jpatti - 11 Mar 2004 09:55 GMT > Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that > are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > suggestions on how to save some money. I know that there are quite a few > people on here who have to budget carefully. Hang in there, Dude. I think it depends on what you were eating before. We tend to think of meat as expensive. But plain, raw meat in comparison to most prepackaged foods is pretty cheap food. On a per pound basis, meat is cheaper than Fritos or ramen noodles.
On the other hand, if you cooked primarily from scratch before, low-carb is more expensive. Even the chickens I raise myself cost more per pound than a sack of wheat berries.
Produce can be relatively expensive too, depending on what you buy. I have expensive tastes in this area - I love purple bell peppers and dislike the cheapo green ones, I love mesclun mix and don't care for iceberg lettuce, I adore radicchio which costs more per pound than the most expensive Angus cuts of beef. I garden to cut the cost of the expensive stuff. In fact, I started gardening in containers on a balcony in a city apartment and *only* grew the expensive stuff! Lettuce-type greens can be grown year-round in containers sicne they're easy, so you can grow them inside in winter. Peppers can be chopped and frozen and therefore available all year too.
Basic frugal low-carb tips:
Buy lots of eggs or raise your own. Eggs are a cheap source of protein. And check prices! Before ours were laying, I discovered buying a 30-pack of small eggs from one particular store was much cheaper than buying large eggs anywhere even if you figure 2 small eggs = 1 large. Figure out your best egg buy and use it heavily - keep hard boiled eggs on hand for snacks and make custards and quiche. Eggs are not just for frying!
Check circulars every week to get a feel for the best prices for meats in your area. I know what the normal prices are for chicken leg quarters, chicken breast, hamburger, country style ribs, hams, pork chops, chuck roast and steaks, breakfast sausage, polish and smoked sausage and mild italian sausage, etc. - all the stuff we normally buy. When it goes on sale at a significantly lower price, I fill up my freezer. I pick up chicken leg quarters for $.25/lb when they're on sale... and rarely pay more than $1/lb for any type of pork. I buy a whole ham at $.69/lb and slice the majority of it into thick slices for pan-frying, keeping the ends to roast as normal hams.
Buy fresh produce in season, it will be locally-grown stuff and therefore better for the most part. You can freeze, can or root-cellar for use year-round. If you have to buy something out-of-season, buy it frozen rather than fresh - it'll usually be cheaper as you're not paying transporation charges for getting something from CA or FL.
Dairy costs stink where I am - our state has minimum prices for milk and the stores can't put it on sale for less. But I can save on lots of other dairy products. I rarely pay more than $2/lb for block cheese - I buy it in bulk, freeze it, and thaw at room temperature for 24-36 hours before refrigerating to limit the change of texture often found in thawed cheeses. I buy butter on sale at $1/lb - usually gets to those prices 2 or 3 times a year, and stock up and freeze it. Cream cheese can be frozen *if* you are using it in recipes where you're going to soften it and melt it into something else, but generally doesn't freeze well. Ricotta freezes very well so you can stock up when it's on sale.
If you have milk or cream close to it's expiration date, you can save it by turning it into an easy vinegar cheese. Basically, you heat a gallon of milk to 180 degrees, add a cup of vinegar, stir for a bit, let sit until cooled, mix in a bit of salt, then drain through cheesecloth in a collander overnight. It makes something sort of in-between cream cheese and cottage cheese. It's rather bland, but takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball" type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet).
Bear - 11 Mar 2004 13:07 GMT Ask and you shall recieve. Wow. Great post!! Thanks.
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> > Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that > > are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball" > type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet). poohbear - 11 Mar 2004 23:08 GMT If you have milk or cream close to it's expiration date, you can save
> it by turning it into an easy vinegar cheese. Basically, you heat a > gallon of milk to 180 degrees, add a cup of vinegar, stir for a bit, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball" > type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet). What type of vinegar could you use for this? PoohBear
jpatti - 12 Mar 2004 06:36 GMT > If you have milk or cream close to it's expiration date, you can save > > it by turning it into an easy vinegar cheese. Basically, you heat a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What type of vinegar could you use for this? > PoohBear All the vinegar is doing is curdling the milk so you get a "curd" (which is your cheese).
I use apple cider vinegar, but I don't think it matters. There's no vinegar taste afterwards anyways.
PJx - 11 Mar 2004 14:15 GMT I just want to remind you to read the jpatti post again. Especially since you mentioned the cost of low-carbing. Her advice can save you a bundle.
I think its the best advice ever posted for those on a budget doing low carb. I'm reading the weekly grocery flyers for deals just like she is. Fish for 99 cents per pound. Ground beef for 1.29 per pound (you actually benefit by buying the cheaper packages because you need the higher fat content to fuel your fat burning). Chicken quarters for $0.49 per pound. Ham for $0.89 per pound. Cheese for $1.99 per pound.
I don't think I have to tell you to AVOID all Atkin products.
Pj
>> Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that >> are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] >takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball" >type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet). The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 18:09 GMT I'm curious as why I should stay away from Atkins products? Are their energy bars OK? I haven't tried Atkins energy bars, but I did try Slimfast's low carb Peanut Butter Bar. The package said 2grams of net carbs - are they okay to eat on induction?
Thanks, -The Dude
> I just want to remind you to read the jpatti post again. > Especially since you mentioned the cost of low-carbing. Her advice [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Pj PJx - 11 Mar 2004 19:35 GMT >I'm curious as why I should stay away from Atkins products? Are their >energy bars OK? I haven't tried Atkins energy bars, but I did try >Slimfast's low carb Peanut Butter Bar. The package said 2grams of net >carbs - are they okay to eat on induction? No. They are NEVER ok to eat on induction. Stay away from them as long as you can. Maybe once a week celebration for doing an extra long workout...
I simply meant that Atkins stuff is usually much more expensive.
Pj
>Thanks, >-The Dude [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> Pj The Dude - 12 Mar 2004 01:30 GMT Thanks for the heads up! -The Dude
> No. They are NEVER ok to eat on induction. Stay away from them as > long as you can. Maybe once a week celebration for doing an extra [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pj Doug Freyburger - 12 Mar 2004 22:05 GMT > I'm curious as why I should stay away from Atkins products? Are their > energy bars OK? I haven't tried Atkins energy bars, but I did try > Slimfast's low carb Peanut Butter Bar. Junk food doesn't stop being junk because some businessman more interested in their profit than your loss slaps a low carb claim on the label.
> The package said 2grams of net carbs Which is of course a lie. *Some* people can deduct *some* of the carb grams but there's no way everyone can deduct all of them.
> are they okay to eat on induction? The bars are the number one source of stalls. The ideal day to start eating them on a regular basis is the day you decide to quit low carbing and gain it all back. They'll help you gain it back more slowly. Anyways, once you've found your CCLL then will be the time to see if they stall you. Maybe one every couple of weeks.
Junk food habit got many fat. It doesn't get folks thin.
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 18:06 GMT Thanks for the advice! I think you are right about eggs. I find eggs to be the best low cost low carb food available. cheese for $2/lb. is an awesome deal. I don't think I've seen that price around where I live. The lowest I can find cheese is $3/lb. I love cheese, it is probably my most favorite low carb food. I also found some summer sausage for sale recently, actually buy one get one free. I guess buying in bulk and freezing is the best solution. There is a local "Club" style grocery store - I probably should check them out.
Thanks again! -The Dude
> > Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that > > are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball" > type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet). jpatti - 12 Mar 2004 07:05 GMT Following myself up to add two more frugal hints I thought of today...
Since most of the stuff you buy can be frozen, plan your menus around whatever fresh produce is on sale cause that's what is going to go bad if you don't use it up right away. Stuff going bad and getting thrown out is not frugal no matter how cheap you bought it. For instance, I bought romaine lettuce and cabbage on sale last week so made a bowl of salad and a hamburger/shredded cabbage stirfry this week. I pretty much have most kinds of meat and dairy on hand always, so the fresh produce rules... especially in winter when I'm buying it instead of eating out of my garden.
And secondly, on the hamburger thing... it is usually cheaper to buy cheap hamburger. If I can get 80% burger for $1.19 or 95% hamburger for $1.89, the fatty stuff comes out to around $1.45/lb for the lean portion whereas the other is nearly $2/lb for the lean. For the vast majority of recipes, there's no point in paying a half buck a pound to save draining the grease off. And for something like the cabbage stir-fry, I need the grease to cook the veggies anyways... so nearly always the cheap stuff is a better value. The prices where you are may vary, but I have found that buying the cheapo hamburger is a better deal.
A lot of times being frugal means buying the more expensive stuff cause it's a better value... a $10 item that lasts 10 years is a better deal than a $3 version than breaks in six months. I bought a new $40 winter coat every year for decades - then I bought a $300 wool coat and never bought another coat. Only time I ever spent that much money on an article of clothing and it about killed me cause I *am* cheap, but it's a much better *value* than all those cheapo coats were - I expect to have it for life. Cheap is *not* always frugal.
But in the case of hamburger, usually the cheap stuff is the better value. In the case of cheese though... real food is usually a better value than fake food even if the fake food is cheap, cause fake food is just crap. When say I buy cheese at under $2/lb... I mean real cheese: mozarella, colby, monterey jack, cheddar. Not processed cheese food or some sort of "singles" that proudly advertises that some amount of milk was actually involved in their manufacture cause they taste like plastic crap - which may cost that little all the time. Cheese doesn't go on sale here for under $2/lb often either, but since I know that's a great price, when I see it, I buy like 10-15 lbs of it - so I get the real stuff for the same price as people buy the cheapo fake crap. That's a good *value.*
I will also make the point that raising your own "expensive" veggies is a good value too... cause you not only get radicchio and purple peppers much cheaper than you can get them in the store, but you get recreation value out of the same bucks you're spending for food. Gardening is a really satisfying and enjoyable hobby - even if it's just in pots on a balcony, which is how I started.
The Dude - 12 Mar 2004 14:10 GMT I didn't know that about the difference between the fattier hamburger and the leaner hamburger. I will definitely get the leaner kind next time.
My wife and I do like to garden we have a plot of land behind our house. Last year our garden was a disaster, mostly because the both us are spending most of our time trying to launch a small business. Anyway I miss the fresh vegetables from a garden - there is no comparison between the veggies you get from your own garden versus the grocery store.
By the way this is my 3rd day of induction and I feel great!
-The Dude
> Following myself up to add two more frugal hints I thought of today... > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Gardening is a really satisfying and enjoyable hobby - even if it's > just in pots on a balcony, which is how I started. Carol Ann - 11 Mar 2004 13:00 GMT :: Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late :: December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the past couple [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: but we had to put down our other dog 2 days before Christmas :-( At any :: rate, I am 5' !0" and weigh 218lbs. I feel the right weight for me for my
:: type of build is 170 lbs., this is my goal weight. I have been up and down
:: over the past ten years with my weight. The lowest my adult weight has been
:: was 175 lbs. That was in 1993, as a result of a starvation diet where I :: lost 30lbs. I quickly gained the weight back and then some. To make a long
:: story short :-) I have tried Atkins in the past and could never get past :: then 3rd day of Induction, because I always get sick on the 3rd day. :: Anyway, My Mother has diabetes really bad and my Dad has diabetes slightly.
:: My Grandmother on my Father side died of complications to diabetes. And now
:: I've come to find out one of my brothers as diabetes. So I am at risk for
:: diabetes. Anyway my approach to Atkins this time around is more of a :: determined approach because of the family diabetes situation. :: :: Today is the first day of Induction for me. It will be a long road I know,
:: but I am determined to go from my 44 size waist paints to my old 34 size :: paints - I've kept them in the attic as a motivation. Well that's about it.
:: I will put pictures of myself and my progress on the Internet as soon as I
:: can. Excuse me if I make some newsgroup etiquette mistakes as I am a newbie
:: to the newsgroup scene, some of you know I made the OT mistake already :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: 220/218/170 :: Atkins since 3/10/04 Phil,
I'll use 218 as your final weigh in for the February Challenge.
~Carol Ann www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 18:11 GMT Okay thanks, I apologize for not getting back to you. I've been fudging (excuse the term:-) around about doing induction, but now I'm taking it more seriously.
-The Dude
> :: Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late > :: December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the past couple [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > ~Carol Ann > www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge martymkm@webtv.net - 11 Mar 2004 13:31 GMT The Dude wrote: Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the past couple months. I wanted to apologize because I have never properly introduced myself to the newsgroup. Here is my story... First of all my user name is The Dude, but my real name is Phil. I am 40 years old, married, and have one dog; a beagle, doberman mix - We had two but we had to put down our other dog 2 days before Christmas :-( At any rate, I am 5' !0" and weigh 218lbs. I feel the right weight for me for my type of build is 170 lbs., this is my goal weight. I have been up and down over the past ten years with my weight. The lowest my adult weight has been was 175 lbs. That was in 1993, as a result of a starvation diet where I lost 30lbs. I quickly gained the weight back and then some. To make a long story short :-) I have tried Atkins in the past and could never get past then 3rd day of Induction, because I always get sick on the 3rd day. Anyway, My Mother has diabetes really bad and my Dad has diabetes slightly. My Grandmother on my Father side died of complications to diabetes. And now I've come to find out one of my brothers as diabetes. So I am at risk for diabetes. Anyway my approach to Atkins this time around is more of a determined approach because of the family diabetes situation. Today is the first day of Induction for me. It will be a long road I know, but I am determined to go from my 44 size waist paints to my old 34 size paints - I've kept them in the attic as a motivation. Well that's about it. I will put pictures of myself and my progress on the Internet as soon as I can. Excuse me if I make some newsgroup etiquette mistakes as I am a newbie to the newsgroup scene, some of you know I made the OT mistake already
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Welcome Phil. If it's any consolation I too went thru that nauseous stage. I should pass rather quickly (it did for me). This will be replaced by the decrease in cravings stage. <G> Then you will probably reach a stall in your WOE. All are par for the course and perfectly normal for some (certainly not all) people. Best of Luck; Marty
The Dude - 12 Mar 2004 01:34 GMT Welcome Phil. If it's any consolation I too went thru that nauseous stage. I should pass rather quickly (it did for me). This will be replaced by the decrease in cravings stage. <G> Then you will probably reach a stall in your WOE. All are par for the course and perfectly normal for some (certainly not all) people. Best of Luck; Marty
Thanks Marty! I feel surprisingly well for the 2nd day. Actually my cravings aren't as bad as I thought. If anything I'm craving low carb foods. Hopefully it will continue!
-The Dude
Debbie Cusick - 12 Mar 2004 15:49 GMT Getting sick around the third day is classic. You just have to hang in there. I've posted below something I wrote on the subject. Good luck. My son is just a little taller than you, about 5' 10 1/2", and he went from 230 lbs and a 38-inch waist to 180 lbs and a 32-inch waist on low carb, and has kept it off for almost 6 years now.
Debbie
> I have tried Atkins in the past and could never get past > then 3rd day of Induction, because I always get sick on the 3rd day. Carb Withdrawal (canned response)
Have you started a low carb diet within the last few days? Do not be surprised if you start to feel achy "flu-like" symptoms early on in your low carb WOE. The most common time for these symptoms to hit is around days 3-5, though they have been reported as early as day 2, and have lasted into the beginning of the second week. People have reported feeling light-headed, weak, headachy, ill, feeling like they are going to pass out, like they have "been run over by a steamroller".
It seems to be a side-effect of your body switching from carb-burning mode to fat-burning mode. If you are trying to give up caffeine at the same time your symptoms may be compounded but people who try to pass if off as only caffeine withdrawal are wrong because many folks who had already given up caffeine sometime in the past, or who chose not to give up caffeine when starting LC, also have the same symptoms.
Typical symptoms include: nausea, achiness, dizziness, tiredness, lightheadedness, trembling, blinding headaches,depression
If you experience this you are not alone, but are a very typical new low carb dieter. The good news is that it is temporary, and most people report that by the end of week two they feel better than they have felt in years!
While nothing seems to alleviate it completely except the passage of time you can ease the symptoms a bit by drinking plenty of water, getting your potassium and calcium/magnesium supplements, and taking some aspirin or ibuprophen if necessary.
Glycogen depletion is one of the factors that sometimes causes someone who is just starting LC to feel tired. The initial response to a switch from high-carb to low-carb is typically a severe glycogen depletion, until the body achieves a new equilibrium and starts replenishing the muscles using gluconeogenesis. This is also responsible for a large percentage of the initial weight loss.
The Dude - 12 Mar 2004 19:02 GMT Hi Debbie,
Thanks for the encouragement and article. I am trying to give up caffeine at the same time - I usually can't make it through the afternoon without a coffee jolt . Fortunately I have already given up sugar, so that's a plus.
It's day 3 and I actually feel pretty good overall. I must admit I'm a little antsy about not having carbs, but I'm hanging in there. As far as headachy, I feel a little headachy at night, but nothing a few Ibuprofen can't handle.
Thanks Again, -The Dude
> Getting sick around the third day is classic. You just have to hang in > there. I've posted below something I wrote on the subject. Good luck. My son [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > replenishing the muscles using gluconeogenesis. This is also > responsible for a large percentage of the initial weight loss. DG511 - 12 Mar 2004 21:05 GMT >"The Dude" mobomojo@hotmail.com writes:
> I am trying to give up caffeine >at the same time - I usually can't make it through the afternoon without a >coffee jolt . Have you tapered off down to one shot of real caffeine? And have you thought of diluting your caffeinated coffee with decaf? That works for some people.
Daria 166/148/140 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04
The Dude - 13 Mar 2004 02:07 GMT Yes I have thought of diluting the coffee. I have both caffeine and noncaffienated coffee in the house, so I could do it. I'm wondering how the induction period is going to affect my energy level around about mid-afternoon. If I need a cup of caffeinated coffee then I will have a cup, but I am hoping my energy level will be higher without the caffeine. Unfortunately I am still needing the one cup in the afternoon. Time will tell.
Thanks, -The Dude
> >"The Dude" mobomojo@hotmail.com > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > sugar-free since 2/1/04 > low-carb since 2/17/04 PJx - 13 Mar 2004 15:38 GMT I think the flavored water thing is a good diversion from both hunger and coffee craving. Make your own with a 1/4 bag of splenda and a couple of drops of flavoring or lime. Induction seems to be mostly about control and the flavored water is a good tool to help trick the mind.
Also, I ate a lot of pork rinds during the first 2 weeks even though I hated the things. I knew they were zero carb and they felt like a snack food should feel and I always drank water with them. The hunger pangs would disappear. Bacon too.
Pj
>Yes I have thought of diluting the coffee. I have both caffeine and >noncaffienated coffee in the house, so I could do it. I'm wondering how the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> sugar-free since 2/1/04 >> low-carb since 2/17/04 The Dude - 13 Mar 2004 19:42 GMT I tried pork rinds and they are disgusting.
I like your idea about flavored drinks with splenda.
-The Dude
> I think the flavored water thing is a good diversion from both hunger > and coffee craving. Make your own with a 1/4 bag of splenda and a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pj
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