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The Dude - 10 Mar 2004 19:48 GMT
Hello everyone.  I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late
December of 2003.  Some of you have seen my post within the past couple
months.  I wanted to apologize because I have never properly introduced
myself to the newsgroup.  Here is my story...

First of all my user name is The Dude, but my real name is Phil.  I am 40
years old, married, and have one dog; a beagle, doberman mix - We had two
but we had to put down our other dog 2 days before Christmas :-(  At any
rate,  I am 5' !0" and weigh 218lbs.  I feel the right weight for me for my
type of build is 170 lbs., this is my goal weight.  I have been up and down
over the past ten years with my weight.  The lowest my adult weight has been
was 175 lbs.  That was in 1993, as a result of a starvation diet where I
lost 30lbs.  I quickly gained the weight back and then some.  To make a long
story short :-) I have tried Atkins in the past and could never get past
then 3rd day of Induction, because I always get sick on the 3rd day.
Anyway, My Mother has diabetes really bad and my Dad has diabetes slightly.
My Grandmother on my Father side died of complications to diabetes.  And now
I've come to find out one of my brothers as diabetes.  So I am at risk for
diabetes.  Anyway my approach to Atkins this time around is more of a
determined approach because of the family diabetes situation.

Today is the first day of Induction for me.  It will be a long road I know,
but I am determined to go from my 44 size waist paints to my old 34 size
paints - I've kept them in the attic as a motivation.  Well that's about it.
I will put pictures of myself and my progress on the Internet as soon as I
can.  Excuse me if I make some newsgroup etiquette mistakes as I am a newbie
to the newsgroup scene, some of you know I made the OT mistake already :-)

Thanks,

-The Dude
220/218/170
Atkins since 3/10/04
Roger Zoul - 10 Mar 2004 20:01 GMT
:: Hello everyone.  I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since
:: Late December of 2003.  Some of you have seen my post within the
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:: newsgroup etiquette mistakes as I am a newbie to the newsgroup
:: scene, some of you know I made the OT mistake already :-)

Welcome...don't sweat OT mistakes or any others for that matter....this is
an unmoderated newsgroup, so those who sweat you just like wasting their
time.
The Dude - 10 Mar 2004 20:13 GMT
> Welcome...don't sweat OT mistakes or any others for that matter....this is
> an unmoderated newsgroup, so those who sweat you just like wasting their
> time.

Thanks :-)
Emil Luca - 10 Mar 2004 20:54 GMT
Talk to your Dr. about putting you on a low dose of Metformin.  A drug study
I have been in for 5 years has shown people that are overweight and have a
family history of diabetes can lower the risk of getting diabetes by 30%.
I have been low carb since Aug and by levels have decreased significantly.

http://www.niddk.nih.gov/welcome/releases/8_8_01.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/news/docs/dpp.htm
http://www.bsc.gwu.edu/dpp/aboutdpp.htmlvdoc

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> Hello everyone.  I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late
> December of 2003.  Some of you have seen my post within the past couple
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>  220/218/170
> Atkins since 3/10/04
The Dude - 10 Mar 2004 21:58 GMT
Thanks Emil,  I will check the web sites out.
My wife says that she has heard of metformin and kind of gave me a run down
of what it does.

-The Dude

> Talk to your Dr. about putting you on a low dose of Metformin.  A drug study
> I have been in for 5 years has shown people that are overweight and have a
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> 08-12-03
> 369/314/200
miette - 10 Mar 2004 23:46 GMT
> Today is the first day of Induction for me.  It will be a long road I
> know, but I am determined to go from my 44 size waist paints to my old
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>  220/218/170
> Atkins since 3/10/04

Congrats and good luck on starting. Anyone can do it with determination. No
worries about so-called "failures"... take them as learning experiences and
try to use them to your advantage. Induction is a tough time and most
people (minus the very few lucky ones) experience sickness during the first
few days. I know I felt just terrible. What worked for me was always
keeping in mind that it was only temporary and the benefits in the long run
would far outweigh a few days of illness. I also made sure I ate lots of
protein and fat for those all-too-common blood sugar drops that happens as
your body adjusts to fat burning. It helps. Vitamins and plenty of water,
too. Oh, and the book and/or website (http://atkins.com/). You'll
definitely want to progress through the stages so maintenance will be
easier once you get to that point.

I've found that attitude is 99.9% percent of the whole process. Don't let
the small bumps get you down and always look at the bigger picture. Just my
2 cents.

~miette
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 02:14 GMT
> Congrats and good luck on starting. Anyone can do it with determination. No
> worries about so-called "failures"... take them as learning experiences and
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>
> ~miette

Thanks! :-)  Yeah, from what I've heard feeling ill at the beginning is
normal.  I just have to persevere.  I must admit however that the food
cravings are starting to drop - that's a good sign!

-The Dude
Piedlourde - 11 Mar 2004 00:33 GMT
Welcome, The Dude. Congratulations on starting, and your determination. You can
do it.

The Dude Abides.

Piedlourde
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 02:14 GMT
> Welcome, The Dude. Congratulations on starting, and your determination. You can
> do it.
>
> The Dude Abides.
>
> Piedlourde

Much Obliged!  Thanks for the encouragement :-)

-The Dude
Jean M. - 11 Mar 2004 00:41 GMT
>Hello everyone.  I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late
>December of 2003.  Some of you have seen my post within the past couple
>months.  I wanted to apologize because I have never properly introduced
>myself to the newsgroup.  Here is my story...

Hi, Phil. Welcome to the group. I think you'll be surprised if you get
a few more days of induction under your belt. :-)
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 02:16 GMT
> >Hello everyone.  I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late
> >December of 2003.  Some of you have seen my post within the past couple
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> Hi, Phil. Welcome to the group. I think you'll be surprised if you get
> a few more days of induction under your belt. :-)

Thanks for the encouragement Jean!
I have made it past day one better than I expected. Day 2 and 3 are
critical.

-The Dude
Bear - 11 Mar 2004 03:24 GMT
Hey Phil - I've seen a few of your posts and thought you were already
LC'ing. Welcome to the NG. I'm a relative newbie but doing well. A bit of
advice. LISTEN to the people who have a lot of experience under their
shrinking belts. Some folks come in, having read the book and think they
already have all the answers. They lose out, trust me. Good Luck.
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> Hello everyone.  I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late
> December of 2003.  Some of you have seen my post within the past couple
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>  220/218/170
> Atkins since 3/10/04
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 03:32 GMT
Thanks Bear.  I have been getting up the nerve and the money over the past
couple of months to start.
I don't know if it just me, but I find "LC'ing" to be a more expensive way
to eat, albeit a better way to eat

-The Dude
220/218/170

> Hey Phil - I've seen a few of your posts and thought you were already
> LC'ing. Welcome to the NG. I'm a relative newbie but doing well. A bit of
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> 353/297/267/210
> http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/
Bear - 11 Mar 2004 04:01 GMT
Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that
are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are
fairly cheap and taste better than chops if you ask me. You can buy the
cheapest ground beef because it has more fat and thats ok. Especially on
induction.
It would help if you post a typical menu and maybe we can give you
suggestions on how to save some money. I know that there are quite a few
people on here who have to budget carefully. Hang in there, Dude.
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> Thanks Bear.  I have been getting up the nerve and the money over the past
> couple of months to start.
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> > 353/297/267/210
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/
Luna - 11 Mar 2004 05:10 GMT
Another thing to consider, and YMMV of course, but low-carb has helped to
curb my appetite, so even if the food is more expensive, it stretches
farther, so it all balances out.

> Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that
> are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are
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> > > 353/297/267/210
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/

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jpatti - 11 Mar 2004 09:55 GMT
> Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that
> are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are
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> suggestions on how to save some money. I know that there are quite a few
> people on here who have to budget carefully. Hang in there, Dude.

I think it depends on what you were eating before.  We tend to think
of meat as expensive.  But plain, raw meat in comparison to most
prepackaged foods is pretty cheap food.  On a per pound basis, meat is
cheaper than Fritos or ramen noodles.

On the other hand, if you cooked primarily from scratch before,
low-carb is more expensive.  Even the chickens I raise myself cost
more per pound than a sack of wheat berries.

Produce can be relatively expensive too, depending on what you buy.  I
have expensive tastes in this area - I love purple bell peppers and
dislike the cheapo green ones, I love mesclun mix and don't care for
iceberg lettuce, I adore radicchio which costs more per pound than the
most expensive Angus cuts of beef.  I garden to cut the cost of the
expensive stuff.  In fact, I started gardening in containers on a
balcony in a city apartment and *only* grew the expensive stuff!
Lettuce-type greens can be grown year-round in containers sicne
they're easy, so you can grow them inside in winter.  Peppers can be
chopped and frozen and therefore available all year too.

Basic frugal low-carb tips:

Buy lots of eggs or raise your own.  Eggs are a cheap source of
protein.  And check prices!  Before ours were laying, I discovered
buying a 30-pack of small eggs from one particular store was much
cheaper than buying large eggs anywhere even if you figure 2 small
eggs = 1 large.  Figure out your best egg buy and use it heavily -
keep hard boiled eggs on hand for snacks and make custards and quiche.
Eggs are not just for frying!

Check circulars every week to get a feel for the best prices for meats
in your area.  I know what the normal prices are for chicken leg
quarters, chicken breast, hamburger, country style ribs, hams, pork
chops, chuck roast and steaks, breakfast sausage, polish and smoked
sausage and mild italian sausage, etc.  - all the stuff we normally
buy.  When it goes on sale at a significantly lower price, I fill up
my freezer.  I pick up chicken leg quarters for $.25/lb when they're
on sale... and rarely pay more than $1/lb for any type of pork.  I buy
a whole ham at $.69/lb and slice the majority of it into thick slices
for pan-frying, keeping the ends to roast as normal hams.

Buy fresh produce in season, it will be locally-grown stuff and
therefore better for the most part. You can freeze, can or root-cellar
for use year-round.  If you have to buy something out-of-season, buy
it frozen rather than fresh - it'll usually be cheaper as you're not
paying transporation charges for getting something from CA or FL.

Dairy costs stink where I am - our state has minimum prices for milk
and the stores can't put it on sale for less.  But I can save on lots
of other dairy products.  I rarely pay more than $2/lb for block
cheese - I buy it in bulk, freeze it, and thaw at room temperature for
24-36 hours before refrigerating to limit the change of texture often
found in thawed cheeses.  I buy butter on sale at $1/lb - usually gets
to those prices 2 or 3 times a year, and stock up and freeze it.
Cream cheese can be frozen *if* you are using it in recipes where
you're going to soften it and melt it into something else, but
generally doesn't freeze well.  Ricotta freezes very well so you can
stock up when it's on sale.

If you have milk or cream close to it's expiration date, you can save
it by turning it into an easy vinegar cheese.  Basically, you heat a
gallon of milk to 180 degrees, add a cup of vinegar, stir for a bit,
let sit until cooled, mix in a bit of salt, then drain through
cheesecloth in a collander overnight.  It makes something sort of
in-between cream cheese and cottage cheese.  It's rather bland, but
takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball"
type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet).
Bear - 11 Mar 2004 13:07 GMT
Ask and you shall recieve. Wow. Great post!! Thanks.
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> > Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that
> > are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are
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> takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball"
> type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet).
poohbear - 11 Mar 2004 23:08 GMT
If you have milk or cream close to it's expiration date, you can save
> it by turning it into an easy vinegar cheese.  Basically, you heat a
> gallon of milk to 180 degrees, add a cup of vinegar, stir for a bit,
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> takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball"
> type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet).

What type of vinegar could you use for this?
PoohBear
jpatti - 12 Mar 2004 06:36 GMT
> If you have milk or cream close to it's expiration date, you can save
> > it by turning it into an easy vinegar cheese.  Basically, you heat a
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> What type of vinegar could you use for this?
> PoohBear

All the vinegar is doing is curdling the milk so you get a "curd"
(which is your cheese).

I use apple cider vinegar, but I don't think it matters.  There's no
vinegar taste afterwards anyways.
PJx - 11 Mar 2004 14:15 GMT
 I just want to remind you to read the jpatti post again.
Especially since you mentioned the cost of low-carbing.   Her advice
can save you a bundle.

I think its the best advice ever posted for those on a budget doing
low carb.   I'm reading the weekly grocery flyers for deals just like
she is.   Fish for 99 cents per pound.  Ground beef for 1.29 per pound
(you actually benefit by buying the cheaper packages because you need
the higher fat content to fuel your fat burning).  Chicken quarters
for $0.49 per pound.  Ham for $0.89 per pound. Cheese for $1.99 per
pound.

I don't think I have to tell you to AVOID all Atkin products.  

Pj



>> Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that
>> are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are
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>takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball"
>type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet).
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 18:09 GMT
I'm curious as why I should stay away from Atkins products?  Are their
energy bars OK?  I haven't tried Atkins energy bars, but I did try
Slimfast's low carb Peanut Butter Bar.  The package said 2grams of net
carbs - are they okay to eat on induction?

Thanks,
-The Dude

>   I just want to remind you to read the jpatti post again.
> Especially since you mentioned the cost of low-carbing.   Her advice
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>
>  Pj
PJx - 11 Mar 2004 19:35 GMT
>I'm curious as why I should stay away from Atkins products?  Are their
>energy bars OK?  I haven't tried Atkins energy bars, but I did try
>Slimfast's low carb Peanut Butter Bar.  The package said 2grams of net
>carbs - are they okay to eat on induction?

No.  They are NEVER ok to eat on induction.  Stay away from them as
long as you can.  Maybe once a week celebration for doing an extra
long workout...

I simply meant that Atkins stuff is usually much more expensive.

Pj



>Thanks,
>-The Dude
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>>
>>  Pj
The Dude - 12 Mar 2004 01:30 GMT
Thanks for the heads up!
-The Dude

>  No.  They are NEVER ok to eat on induction.  Stay away from them as
> long as you can.  Maybe once a week celebration for doing an extra
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>
> Pj
Doug Freyburger - 12 Mar 2004 22:05 GMT
> I'm curious as why I should stay away from Atkins products?  Are their
> energy bars OK?  I haven't tried Atkins energy bars, but I did try
> Slimfast's low carb Peanut Butter Bar.

Junk food doesn't stop being junk because some businessman more interested
in their profit than your loss slaps a low carb claim on the label.

> The package said 2grams of net carbs

Which is of course a lie.  *Some* people can deduct *some* of the carb
grams but there's no way everyone can deduct all of them.

> are they okay to eat on induction?

The bars are the number one source of stalls.  The ideal day to start
eating them on a regular basis is the day you decide to quit low
carbing and gain it all back.  They'll help you gain it back more
slowly.  Anyways, once you've found your CCLL then will be the time
to see if they stall you.  Maybe one every couple of weeks.

Junk food habit got many fat.  It doesn't get folks thin.
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 18:06 GMT
Thanks for the advice!  I think you are right about eggs.  I find eggs to be
the best low cost low carb food available.  cheese for $2/lb. is an awesome
deal.  I don't think I've seen that price around where I live.  The lowest I
can find cheese is $3/lb.  I love cheese, it is probably my most favorite
low carb food.  I also found some summer sausage for sale recently, actually
buy one get one free.  I guess buying in bulk and freezing is the best
solution.  There is a local "Club" style grocery store - I probably should
check them out.

Thanks again!
-The Dude

> > Yeah. It can be. Carbs can be cheap and filling. There are some things that
> > are both cheap and good lo carb food. Eggs are a good one. Pork steaks are
[quoted text clipped - 72 lines]
> takes herbs well and would probably be excellent with "cheese ball"
> type recipes (though I haven't tried that yet).
jpatti - 12 Mar 2004 07:05 GMT
Following myself up to add two more frugal hints I thought of today...

Since most of the stuff you buy can be frozen, plan your menus around
whatever fresh produce is on sale cause that's what is going to go bad
if you don't use it up right away.  Stuff going bad and getting thrown
out is not frugal no matter how cheap you bought it.  For instance, I
bought romaine lettuce and cabbage on sale last week so made a bowl of
salad and a hamburger/shredded cabbage stirfry this week.  I pretty
much have most kinds of meat and dairy on hand always, so the fresh
produce rules... especially in winter when I'm buying it instead of
eating out of my garden.

And secondly, on the hamburger thing... it is usually cheaper to buy
cheap hamburger.  If I can get 80% burger for $1.19 or 95% hamburger
for $1.89, the fatty stuff comes out to around $1.45/lb for the lean
portion whereas the other is nearly $2/lb for the lean.  For the vast
majority of recipes, there's no point in paying a half buck a pound to
save draining the grease off.  And for something like the cabbage
stir-fry, I need the grease to cook the veggies anyways... so nearly
always the cheap stuff is a better value.  The prices where you are
may vary, but I have found that buying the cheapo hamburger is a
better deal.

A lot of times being frugal means buying the more expensive stuff
cause it's a better value... a $10 item that lasts 10 years is a
better deal than a $3 version than breaks in six months.  I bought a
new $40 winter coat every year for decades - then I bought a $300 wool
coat and never bought another coat.  Only time I ever spent that much
money on an article of clothing and it about killed me cause I *am*
cheap, but it's a much better *value* than all those cheapo coats were
- I expect to have it for life.  Cheap is *not* always frugal.

But in the case of hamburger, usually the cheap stuff is the better
value.  In the case of cheese though... real food is usually a better
value than fake food even if the fake food is cheap, cause fake food
is just crap.  When  say I buy cheese at under $2/lb... I mean real
cheese: mozarella, colby, monterey jack, cheddar.  Not processed
cheese food or some sort of "singles" that proudly advertises that
some amount of milk was actually involved in their manufacture cause
they taste like plastic crap - which may cost that little all the
time.  Cheese doesn't go on sale here for under $2/lb often either,
but since I know that's a great price, when I see it, I buy like 10-15
lbs of it - so I get the real stuff for the same price as people buy
the cheapo fake crap.  That's a good *value.*

I will also make the point that raising your own "expensive" veggies
is a good value too... cause you not only get radicchio and purple
peppers much cheaper than you can get them in the store, but you get
recreation value out of the same bucks you're spending for food.
Gardening is a really satisfying and enjoyable hobby - even if it's
just in pots on a balcony, which is how I started.
The Dude - 12 Mar 2004 14:10 GMT
I didn't know that about the difference between the fattier hamburger and
the leaner hamburger.  I will definitely get the leaner kind next time.

My wife and I do like to garden we have a plot of land behind our house.
Last year our garden was a disaster, mostly because the both us are spending
most of our time trying to launch a small business.  Anyway I miss the fresh
vegetables from a garden - there is no comparison between the veggies you
get from your own garden versus the grocery store.

By the way this is my 3rd day of induction and I feel great!

-The Dude

> Following myself up to add two more frugal hints I thought of today...
>
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> Gardening is a really satisfying and enjoyable hobby - even if it's
> just in pots on a balcony, which is how I started.
Carol Ann - 11 Mar 2004 13:00 GMT
:: Hello everyone.  I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late
:: December of 2003.  Some of you have seen my post within the past couple
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
:: but we had to put down our other dog 2 days before Christmas :-(  At any
:: rate,  I am 5' !0" and weigh 218lbs.  I feel the right weight for me for
my
:: type of build is 170 lbs., this is my goal weight.  I have been up and
down
:: over the past ten years with my weight.  The lowest my adult weight has
been
:: was 175 lbs.  That was in 1993, as a result of a starvation diet where I
:: lost 30lbs.  I quickly gained the weight back and then some.  To make a
long
:: story short :-) I have tried Atkins in the past and could never get past
:: then 3rd day of Induction, because I always get sick on the 3rd day.
:: Anyway, My Mother has diabetes really bad and my Dad has diabetes
slightly.
:: My Grandmother on my Father side died of complications to diabetes.  And
now
:: I've come to find out one of my brothers as diabetes.  So I am at risk
for
:: diabetes.  Anyway my approach to Atkins this time around is more of a
:: determined approach because of the family diabetes situation.
::
:: Today is the first day of Induction for me.  It will be a long road I
know,
:: but I am determined to go from my 44 size waist paints to my old 34 size
:: paints - I've kept them in the attic as a motivation.  Well that's about
it.
:: I will put pictures of myself and my progress on the Internet as soon as
I
:: can.  Excuse me if I make some newsgroup etiquette mistakes as I am a
newbie
:: to the newsgroup scene, some of you know I made the OT mistake already
:-)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
::  220/218/170
:: Atkins since 3/10/04

Phil,

I'll use 218 as your final weigh in for the February Challenge.

~Carol Ann
www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge
The Dude - 11 Mar 2004 18:11 GMT
Okay thanks,  I apologize for not getting back to you.  I've been fudging
(excuse the term:-) around about doing induction, but now I'm taking it more
seriously.

-The Dude

> :: Hello everyone.  I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late
> :: December of 2003.  Some of you have seen my post within the past couple
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> ~Carol Ann
> www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge
martymkm@webtv.net - 11 Mar 2004 13:31 GMT
The Dude wrote:
Hello everyone. I have been lurking in the Low Carb newsgroup since Late
December of 2003. Some of you have seen my post within the past couple
months. I wanted to apologize because I have never properly introduced
myself to the newsgroup. Here is my story...
First of all my user name is The Dude, but my real name is Phil. I am 40
years old, married, and have one dog; a beagle, doberman mix - We had
two but we had to put down our other dog 2 days before Christmas :-( At
any rate, I am 5' !0" and weigh 218lbs. I feel the right weight for me
for my type of build is 170 lbs., this is my goal weight. I have been up
and down over the past ten years with my weight. The lowest my adult
weight has been was 175 lbs. That was in 1993, as a result of a
starvation diet where I lost 30lbs. I quickly gained the weight back and
then some. To make a long story short :-) I have tried Atkins in the
past and could never get past then 3rd day of Induction, because I
always get sick on the 3rd day. Anyway, My Mother has diabetes really
bad and my Dad has diabetes slightly. My Grandmother on my Father side
died of complications to diabetes. And now I've come to find out one of
my brothers as diabetes. So I am at risk for diabetes. Anyway my
approach to Atkins this time around is more of a determined approach
because of the family diabetes situation.
Today is the first day of Induction for me. It will be a long road I
know, but I am determined to go from my 44 size waist paints to my old
34 size paints - I've kept them in the attic as a motivation. Well
that's about it. I will put pictures of myself and my progress on the
Internet as soon as I can. Excuse me if I make some newsgroup etiquette
mistakes as I am a newbie to the newsgroup scene, some of you know I
made the OT mistake already

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Welcome Phil. If it's any consolation I too went thru that nauseous
stage. I should pass rather quickly (it did for me). This will be
replaced by the decrease in cravings stage. <G> Then you will probably
reach a stall in your WOE. All are par for the course and perfectly
normal for some (certainly not all) people.
Best of Luck; Marty
The Dude - 12 Mar 2004 01:34 GMT
Welcome Phil. If it's any consolation I too went thru that nauseous
stage. I should pass rather quickly (it did for me). This will be
replaced by the decrease in cravings stage. <G> Then you will probably
reach a stall in your WOE. All are par for the course and perfectly
normal for some (certainly not all) people.
Best of Luck; Marty

Thanks Marty!  I feel surprisingly well for the 2nd day.  Actually my
cravings aren't as bad as I thought.  If anything I'm craving low carb
foods.  Hopefully it will continue!

-The Dude
Debbie Cusick - 12 Mar 2004 15:49 GMT
Getting sick around the third day is classic. You just have to hang in
there. I've posted below something I wrote on the subject. Good luck. My son
is just a little taller than you, about 5' 10 1/2", and he went from 230 lbs
and a 38-inch waist to 180 lbs and a 32-inch waist on low carb, and has kept
it off for almost 6 years now.

Debbie

>  I have tried Atkins in the past and could never get past
> then 3rd day of Induction, because I always get sick on the 3rd day.

Carb Withdrawal (canned response)

Have you started a low carb diet within the last few days? Do not be
surprised if you start to feel achy "flu-like" symptoms early on in
your low carb WOE. The most common time for these symptoms to hit is
around days 3-5, though they have been reported as early as
day 2, and have lasted into the beginning of the second week. People
have reported feeling light-headed, weak, headachy, ill, feeling like
they are going to pass out, like they have "been run over by a
steamroller".

It seems to be a side-effect of your body switching from carb-burning
mode to fat-burning mode. If you are trying to give up caffeine at
the same time your symptoms may be compounded but people who try to
pass if off as only caffeine withdrawal are wrong because many folks
who had already given up caffeine sometime in the past, or who chose
not to give up caffeine when starting LC, also have the same symptoms.

Typical symptoms include:
nausea, achiness, dizziness, tiredness, lightheadedness, trembling,
blinding headaches,depression

If you experience this you are not alone, but are a very typical new
low carb dieter. The good news is that it is temporary, and most people
report that by the end of week two they feel better than they have
felt in years!

While nothing seems to alleviate it completely except the passage of
time you can ease the symptoms a bit by drinking plenty of water,
getting your potassium and calcium/magnesium supplements, and taking
some aspirin or ibuprophen if necessary.

Glycogen depletion is one of the factors that sometimes causes someone
who is just starting LC to feel tired.  The initial response to a
switch from high-carb to low-carb is typically a severe glycogen
depletion, until the body achieves a new equilibrium and starts
replenishing the muscles using gluconeogenesis.  This is also
responsible for a large percentage of the initial weight loss.
The Dude - 12 Mar 2004 19:02 GMT
Hi Debbie,

Thanks for the encouragement and article.  I am trying to give up caffeine
at the same time - I usually can't make it through the afternoon without a
coffee jolt .  Fortunately I have already given up sugar, so that's a plus.

It's day 3 and I actually feel pretty good overall.  I must admit I'm a
little antsy about not having carbs, but I'm hanging in there.  As far as
headachy, I feel a little headachy at night, but nothing a few Ibuprofen
can't handle.

Thanks Again,
-The Dude

> Getting sick around the third day is classic. You just have to hang in
> there. I've posted below something I wrote on the subject. Good luck. My son
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> replenishing the muscles using gluconeogenesis.  This is also
> responsible for a large percentage of the initial weight loss.
DG511 - 12 Mar 2004 21:05 GMT
>"The Dude" mobomojo@hotmail.com

writes:

> I am trying to give up caffeine
>at the same time - I usually can't make it through the afternoon without a
>coffee jolt .

Have you tapered off down to one shot of real caffeine?  And have you thought
of diluting your caffeinated coffee with decaf?  That works for some people.

Daria
166/148/140
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04
The Dude - 13 Mar 2004 02:07 GMT
Yes I have thought of diluting the coffee.  I have both caffeine and
noncaffienated coffee in the house, so I could do it.  I'm wondering how the
induction period is going
to affect my energy level around about mid-afternoon.  If I need a cup of
caffeinated coffee then I will have a cup, but I am hoping my energy level
will be higher without the caffeine.
Unfortunately I am still needing the one cup in the afternoon.  Time will
tell.

Thanks,
-The Dude

> >"The Dude" mobomojo@hotmail.com
>
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> sugar-free since 2/1/04
> low-carb since 2/17/04
PJx - 13 Mar 2004 15:38 GMT
I think the flavored water thing is a good diversion from both hunger
and coffee craving.   Make your own with a 1/4 bag of splenda and a
couple of drops of flavoring or lime.   Induction seems to be mostly
about control and the flavored water is a good tool to help trick the
mind.

Also, I ate a lot of pork rinds during the first 2 weeks even though
I hated the things.  I knew they were zero carb and they felt like a
snack food should feel and I always drank water with them.  The hunger
pangs would disappear.  Bacon too.

Pj

>Yes I have thought of diluting the coffee.  I have both caffeine and
>noncaffienated coffee in the house, so I could do it.  I'm wondering how the
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>> sugar-free since 2/1/04
>> low-carb since 2/17/04
The Dude - 13 Mar 2004 19:42 GMT
I tried pork rinds and they are disgusting.

I like your idea about flavored drinks with splenda.

-The Dude

>  I think the flavored water thing is a good diversion from both hunger
> and coffee craving.   Make your own with a 1/4 bag of splenda and a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Pj
 
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