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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004south beach diet/atkins
I have been doing atkins for the past 7 months but have been stuck at the same weight for the past 4 and I am wondering whether to try the south beach diet instead. I am still keeping to the induction levels of atkins plus a slice of melon a day and 75 grams of almond nuts. I understand with the south beach diet there is more variety and you can have some pasta and rice after the initial phase. Comments or advice welcome please. I should add i have lost 21 lb and want to loose another 14 lb. > I have been doing atkins for the past 7 months but have been stuck at the > same weight for the past 4 and I am wondering whether to try the south beach [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > after the initial phase. Comments or advice welcome please. I should add i > have lost 21 lb and want to loose another 14 lb. what is your weight and height as of now. i I have been doing atkins for the past 7 months but have been stuck at the same weight for the past 4 and I am wondering whether to try the south beach diet instead. I am still keeping to the induction levels of atkins plus a slice of melon a day and 75 grams of almond nuts. I understand with the south beach diet there is more variety and you can have some pasta and rice after the initial phase. Comments or advice welcome please. I should add i have lost 21 lb and want to loose another 14 lb. ----------------------------------------- Maxine, when I got that close to my goal weight I also stalled for an extended period of time. My remedy was to up my exercise regime and count those nasty calories. I tried everything else, upped my carbs, lowered them, etc. Only the combination of these two things together is would bust mine. I am only 5 lbs. away now and it seems to me the closer you get to goal the more diligent you must be in these areas. Good luck in whatever you decide. Only you can make that decision. HTH; Marty > I have been doing atkins for the past 7 months No you haven't. Atkins is something in specific. > but have been stuck at the same weight for the past 4 Staying low is the second most common source of stalls. You could, ya know, actually follow all of the directions. Nasty difficult things, directions. Much work. But Atkins is a 4 phase plan. > I am still keeping to the induction levels of atkins plus a ... Induction has a 6 month limit. You're past that. So you are now required to move on. > I understand with the > south beach diet there is more variety So does Atkins starting on day 15, but you have chosen not to do that. If you refuse the unlimited variety of Atkins, why do you think you will avail yourself of the same variety present in another plan. Seriously. Move on to OWL. On day 15, or today, whichever is possible. >> I am still keeping to the induction levels of atkins plus a ... > >Induction has a 6 month limit. You're past that. So you are now >required to move on. No it doesn't. Atkins has a specific example of a woman who stayed on it for over two years in his book. 6 months or MORE is what he actually says. He leaves it up to you. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/223/140 & hubby- 310/244/180 > > Induction has a 6 month limit. You're past that. So you are now > > required to move on. > > No it doesn't. Atkins has a specific example of a woman who stayed on it for > over two years in his book. 6 months or MORE is what he actually says. He > leaves it up to you. Every example in the book has two features in common 1) Direct supervision by a doctor very familiar with low carbing and the potential problems of staying too low, and 2) still having 100+ to lose when the 6 month limit is hit. The OP has neither of those qualifiers. Hit under 20 to lose the OP has none of the metabolic protections that having 100+ to lose grants. >Every example in the book has two features in common 1) Direct supervision by >a doctor very familiar with low carbing and the potential problems of staying >too low, and 2) still having 100+ to lose when the 6 month limit is hit. The >OP has neither of those qualifiers. Hit under 20 to lose the OP has none of >the metabolic protections that having 100+ to lose grants. That still doesn't mean that there's a 6 month cap on induction. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/222/140 & hubby- 310/243/180 > >Every example in the book has two features in common 1) Direct supervision by > >a doctor very familiar with low carbing and the potential problems of staying [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That still doesn't mean that there's a 6 month cap on induction. Unless you read the book anyways. The 6 month limit appears in more than one point in every edition 1972, 1993, 1999, 2002. I agree that if you look through the book you can find exmaples otherwise. It is a topic where Dr A disagrees with himself. As such mere references to the book are of no value. For every citation from the book you can make, you know full well I can come up with page numbers listing the 6 month limit. So we need a tiebreaker. How about the medical risks? They are discussed in the 1993 and 1999 edition, plus in a number of other books on the topic. Plus there is a small but steady stream of posters who suffer from those risks from staying too low for 6 months or more. No matter how many faith-based citations from the great bible you wish to put forward, they don't out-weigh the fact of people suffering medical problems from staying too low too long. >Unless you read the book anyways. The 6 month limit appears in more than >one point in every edition 1972, 1993, 1999, 2002. The only one I've read is 2002, and it clearley states 6 months or more. Not six months, period. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/222/140 & hubby- 310/242/180 Doug Freyburger wrote: Unless you read the book anyways. The 6 month limit appears in more than one point in every edition 1972, 1993, 1999, 2002. -------------------------------- The only one I've read is 2002, and it clearley states 6 months or more. Not six months, period. -------------------------------- When I had been enjoying this WOE for quite a while I got the Atkins company on the phone and asked them if was acceptable to do it longer than 6 months and they replied "We don't recommend it" (their exact words, not mine) Regards; Marty Doug Freyburger wrote: Unless you read the book anyways. The 6 month limit appears in more than one point in every edition 1972, 1993, 1999, 2002. -------------------------------- The only one I've read is 2002, and it clearley states 6 months or more. Not six months, period. -------------------------------- When I had been enjoying this WOE for quite a while I got the Atkins company on the phone and asked them if was acceptable to do it longer than 6 months and they replied "We don't recommend it" (their exact words, not mine) Regards; Marty Doug Freyburger wrote: Unless you read the book anyways. The 6 month limit appears in more than one point in every edition 1972, 1993, 1999, 2002. -------------------------------- The only one I've read is 2002, and it clearley states 6 months or more. Not six months, period. -------------------------------- When I was coming up on my 6 month anniversary of doing LC I called the Atkins company and I asked them if was acceptable to do it longer than 6 months and they replied "We don't recommend it" (their exact words, not mine) My web was screwing up last night. My Apologies; Marty > > Unless you read the book anyways. The 6 month limit appears in more than > > one point in every edition 1972, 1993, 1999, 2002. > > The only one I've read is 2002, and it clearley states 6 months or more. You really should get around to reading other editions of the book at some point. Each edition has improvements over the previous ones, but each edition also introduces new problems not present in the previous ones. The older editions supply very much valuable context. My suggested reading list goes something like: Most recent edition of DANDR, most popular current low carb book (SBD recently), some other edition of DA(N)DR, one of the other popular low carb books (PP, CAD ..), some book on a nutritional topic only indirectly low carb like on essential fatty acids or low fat, lather rinse repeat that 5 book sequence. #;^)% Following my own recomendation I've read all of the versions, the most poular books before SBD came out (so far I've skimmed SBD not read it in detail), and a few books on other plans like PaleoThin, T Factor (very popluar mild low fat plan), etc. Call the Atkins Center and see if they recommend extending Induction past 6 months. Then ask them if they even know what the risks are. Folks at the Atkins Center are just regular employees, not folks which graduate level knowledge. It took you 7 months to lose 21 pounds on Atkins??? I just lost over half of that in one week! Uhm, are you certain you are doing it correctly because something ain't right somewhere. > I have been doing atkins for the past 7 months but have been stuck at the > same weight for the past 4 and I am wondering whether to try the south beach [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > after the initial phase. Comments or advice welcome please. I should add i > have lost 21 lb and want to loose another 14 lb. > It took you 7 months to lose 21 pounds on Atkins??? I just lost over > half of that in one week! Uhm, are you certain you are doing it > correctly because something ain't right somewhere. Not everyone loses quickly on Atkins especially when they don't have a lot to lose in the first place. What you lost in the first week was mostly water not fat. > It took you 7 months to lose 21 pounds on Atkins??? I just lost over half > of that in one week! Uhm, are you certain you are doing it correctly > because something ain't right somewhere. she's only got another 14 lbs to lose, for a total of 35. people who have less to lose lose slower. Maxine, the last few are the hardest. are you exercising? have you added up your calories to make sure you're not eating too much? i don't think switching plans at this point is the answer. i think you'd be better off tweaking the plan you're on. why not try moving past induction levels and into ongoing weight loss as it's laid out in the book? |
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