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CRAZY sweets/carbs cravings just before "that time of the month"?

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Pook! - 12 Mar 2004 19:40 GMT
Well, I've been avoiding this newsgroup and the Challenge because of
one big reason lately...I am STALLED. Stalled stalled stalled. And
mostly because of one thing...

Crazy mad cravings starting exactly one day before "that time of the
month". I can time exactly when it's due just by seeing when, out of
nowhere, I get intense, BAD cravings for a brownie or some bread
pudding. And they sell these really really great fresh brownies at my
work...

Ugh. So invariably I have one, and that puts my weight up about 2
pounds and stalls me out there for about a week. Then by the time I
have my feet back under me and have lost the two pounds again, it's
four weeks later and it all starts over again.

I'm not really looking for advice since the only advice to give really
is "butch up," which I'm already aware I should do. I could probably
also do more by way of having lowcarb/lowsugar alternate snacks onhand
for situations like this, but while they take the edge off the
cravings are still pretty overpowering and the low carb stuff tastes
paltry in comparison to my imagination.

What I'm wondering is are there other women who experience this? Is it
a hormone thing? It seems to have gotten worse the more weight I lose.
Any techniques for managing it to help out with the up that I should
be butching? ;)

--Pook! ^_^
Saffire - 12 Mar 2004 21:10 GMT
> I'm not really looking for advice since the only advice to give really
> is "butch up," which I'm already aware I should do. I could probably
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> Any techniques for managing it to help out with the up that I should
> be butching? ;)

Yeah, I usually get cravings.  I tend to give in to them, but only in the sense
that I'm still eating low-carb, but I might go up by 10-15 MORE carbs for a
couple of days, and at a higher calorie level.  The last few PMS times I've had
have seen a subtle shift from craving sweets to craving salt.  I don't feel
NEARLY as out of control (i.e., guilty) with the salt issue.  Overall, I figure
it's not going to make a whole lot of difference as long as I don't overdo it, so
I just go with the flow (so to speak).

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LCer09 - 12 Mar 2004 21:56 GMT
>What I'm wondering is are there other women who experience this? Is it
>a hormone thing?

I had a page that explained it all, but lost it. Something about the
endrometruim (sp?) shedding and releasing glucose into your blood stream. You
really do have to just 'butch it out' since feeding it will only cause the
cravings to go on for longer. Personally, I find a Z-carb bar takes care of it.
The other low-carb candy with malitol just give me more cravings, and god help
the person who offers me a brownie when I have PMS! LOL

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 265/222/140
& hubby- 310/244/180
DG511 - 12 Mar 2004 22:23 GMT
I went slightly bonkers with my chocolate craving last month, although it
wasn't as bad as usual.  Somewhere in the Atkins book he mentions stirring some
cocoa into some mascarpone cheese, and that certainly helped.  I also had a
couple of chocolate-raspberry smoothies made with the much-maligned Atkins
shake mix.  It was chocolate, and it looked fairly "safe", which was all that
mattered at the time.

Do people ever go for the lower-sugar dark chocolate?  I can't stand the stuff
myself, but at TOM, chocolate is chocolate.

Daria
166/148/140
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04
Jenny - 12 Mar 2004 22:27 GMT
Pook,

It is most definitely a hormone thing and the hormone is probably
progesterone.

It pushes up your blood sugar and probably your insulin in a way that makes
you unrelentingly hungry. Food won't help. You just have to know that it is
a chemical and let it pass without feeding it.

I learned this after menopause when I started supplementing with hormones.
All of a sudden I could have "instant PMS" just by taking the "natural"
progesterone.  The only good thing about menopause is that you can thrown
the damn pills in the trash.  You, however, are stuck with it. <g>

It does pass, but there is nothing you can do but wait it out. And when you
feel like killing yourself (which used to happen to me like clockwork for a
few hours every month at that time, too) you have to take a deep breath and
say, "it's the hormones, stupid" and ignore anything you might feel until it
passes. It always does.

-- Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

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> Well, I've been avoiding this newsgroup and the Challenge because of
> one big reason lately...I am STALLED. Stalled stalled stalled. And
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>
> --Pook! ^_^
Piedlourde - 13 Mar 2004 00:16 GMT
I feel your pain. It's hell, but reading threads like these help me keep the
reasons for the cravings in my mind when I'm suffering the worst of them.

Sometimes a big glass of water helps distract. Yesterday, I had my first peanut
butter (I only ever liked the natural salted kind that you stir, like Smucker's
makes) since beginning this WOE. I was afraid because I really LOVE PB and I
was afraid that I wouldn't be able to control it-- but 2 tb on a large piece of
celery made the cravings go away and was immensely satisfying.

Distract, distract, distract. I DO miss chocolate intensely this time of the
month, and it can be very hard.

Piedlourde
emkay - 13 Mar 2004 00:47 GMT
>I feel your pain. It's hell, but reading threads like these help me keep the
>reasons for the cravings in my mind when I'm suffering the worst of them.
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>
>Piedlourde

You might combine your love of peanut butter and your chocolate craving
with some of Crafting Mom's Chocolate: Melt half a square (half an ounce)
of unsweetened baking chocolate in the microwave, and mix in two
tablespoons of peanut butter or almond butter.  Chill to harden.  (This
make two servings.)   It's not especially sweet, but it is very chocolatey.
A small amount seems to satisfy the urge for chocolate without making you
feel the need for more, more, more.

The almond-butter version is even better with unsweetened shredded coconut
mixed in.

Em
Crafting Mom - 13 Mar 2004 01:17 GMT
It's very yummy, and very much for the bitter chocolate lover.
the nuts are just sweet enough to take the edge off.

>>I feel your pain. It's hell, but reading threads like these help me keep
>>the reasons for the cravings in my mind when I'm suffering the worst of
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>
> Em
Witchy Way - 12 Mar 2004 22:54 GMT
<<pook wrote:
I get intense, BAD cravings for a brownie or some bread pudding. And
they sell these really really great fresh brownies at my work...>>

this was posted in the webtv lo carb newsgroup. i made it yesterday. one
spoonful of this stuff out of the fridge is equal to feeling like i ate
a whole brownie or hershey bar! and i should know! i went up four sizes
after i quit smoking by eating an entire box of little debbie brownies
_everyday_ for months!

BJ is on south beach, hence the reference to fat free half and half. i
used cream. this recipe is very rich. it should quench your craving

the good part is it has no sugar alchohols which create havoc in my
system. ;-)

try it

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Fudge "whatever" (rec)  

Group:alt.discuss.clubs.public.health.diet.low_carb_diet
Date: Thu, Mar 11, 2004, 5:21am (CST-2) From: babajji@webtv.net
(Barbara Jean)

reading the 'peanut butter cookie' post reminded me I hadn't gotten
around to posting this yet....

On the back of the Hershey's unsweetened cocoa box is a recipe for
"Perfectly Chocolate Frosting". Just use powdered Splenda instead of
sugar and......

1 'stick' (1/2 C) Butter or margarine
2/3 C cocoa
3 C Splenda (I used 2-1/2 C)
1/3 C milk (I used FF 1/2 & 1/2)
1 tsp vanilla

melt butter, stir in cocoa, alternately add splenda & milk, stir in
vanilla

You now have frosting for those cookies, or warm a bit in microwave and
you have a fudge dip for those p'nut butter balls or those strawberries
or whatever, or a great fudge topper for the ricotta cremes (easy to
convince myself I'm having a hot fudge sundae) ~OR~ just enjoy a
teaspoon of two straight from the fridge...tastes like fudge to me! it
hardens up in the fridge, 30 secs in the micro make it sauce again.

**When I was young we used to go 'skinny dipping'. Now I just 'chunky
dunk'.

witchy
Sunshyne - 12 Mar 2004 23:50 GMT
> Well, I've been avoiding this newsgroup and the Challenge because of
> one big reason lately...I am STALLED. Stalled stalled stalled. And
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>
> --Pook! ^_^

Oh yes, I do. I crave anything with chocolate. Like brownies, candy
bars, ice cream. Its mainly chocolate. Any other time of month, even
before starting low carbing.. I do not crave chocolate, or even want
it. What is up with that I always wondered?

When I crave the chocolate..Before Atkins, and then ate it. I had
loose bowels afterwards too.
Elizabeth M - 13 Mar 2004 18:39 GMT
Try some magnesium.  Here's a link to explain it somewhat:
http://www.chocolateinfo.com/cf/cf_article_03.jsp

>>Well, I've been avoiding this newsgroup and the Challenge because of
>>one big reason lately...I am STALLED. Stalled stalled stalled. And
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> When I crave the chocolate..Before Atkins, and then ate it. I had
> loose bowels afterwards too.
Sunshyne - 12 Mar 2004 23:52 GMT
> What I'm wondering is are there other women who experience this? Is it
> a hormone thing? It seems to have gotten worse the more weight I lose.
> Any techniques for managing it to help out with the up that I should
> be butching? ;)
>
> --Pook! ^_^

I forgot to add also.. I found a low carb syrp, made by Atkins, and
its chocolate flavored. Thought about trying it out with yogurt or
something at that time of the month. I found it at a low carb store.
Maybe that would help? It has zero carbs.
JC Der Koenig - 13 Mar 2004 00:46 GMT
Quit making excuses and butch up, you WFFID.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> Well, I've been avoiding this newsgroup and the Challenge because of
> one big reason lately...I am STALLED. Stalled stalled stalled. And
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>
> --Pook! ^_^
LCer09 - 13 Mar 2004 02:50 GMT
>Subject: Re: CRAZY sweets/carbs cravings just before "that time of the
>month"?
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>
>Quit making excuses and butch up, you WFFID.

Since this is something you don't have to go through, and have NO experience
with, you should really sit down and shut up here.

(now waiting for the obligitory "well you're fat" post in return.) <yawn>

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 265/222/140
& hubby- 310/243/180
Crafting Mom - 13 Mar 2004 02:58 GMT
>>Subject: Re: CRAZY sweets/carbs cravings just before "that time of the
>>month"?
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> Since this is something you don't have to go through, and have NO
> experience with, you should really sit down and shut up here.

Exactly, and might I add...
Part of NOT being a wffid is recognizing when you do have cravings
(regular part of cycle - precisely 4 consecutive days prior to, for
me) and taking responsibility for them.

CM
JC Der Koenig - 13 Mar 2004 03:00 GMT
People come up with the lamest excuses....

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> >>Subject: Re: CRAZY sweets/carbs cravings just before "that time of the
> >>month"?
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>
> CM
Crafting Mom - 13 Mar 2004 03:03 GMT
> People come up with the lamest excuses....

You mean people shouldn't know themselves enough to recognize
when they're going to crave most and do something about it?

Taking responsibility for my personal cravings is actually the
opposite of an excuse.

CM
JC Der Koenig - 13 Mar 2004 03:27 GMT
Crafting Mom says, "I'm fat because of my time of the month. You just don't
know how it is."

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> > People come up with the lamest excuses....
>
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>
> CM
tcmedara - 13 Mar 2004 04:16 GMT
> Crafting Mom says, "I'm fat because of my time of the month. You just
> don't know how it is."

Sorry pinhead, wrong again.  Putting it in quotations doesn't mean that's
what she said.  That's called lying JC, it's what we try and teach our
children not to do.  I don't think you'll understand, but I want to avoid
any confusion for people who might not know you are a snot nosed little
troll.  She said:

>Part of NOT being a wffid is recognizing when you do have cravings
>(regular part of cycle - precisely 4 consecutive days prior to, for
>me) and taking responsibility for them.

Key words ya dolt are cravings and responsibility.  Jeez, you claim to be a
teacher?  No wonder education is in such a sorry state.  How can you teach
if you are such an ignorant a.s?

Tom
JC Der Koenig - 13 Mar 2004 04:17 GMT
It's called summarization. HTH

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> > Crafting Mom says, "I'm fat because of my time of the month. You just
> > don't know how it is."
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>
> Tom
tcmedara - 13 Mar 2004 04:31 GMT
> It's called summarization. HTH

Hahahahahah...You can call it banana pudding if  you want, you're still
wrong.  BTW, quotations are normally used to denote a quotation, not a
summarization.  To use them in any other way suggests false accuracy.  Of
course you're teacher, so that wouldn't bother you I guess.

Ya know JC, normally I ignore just ignore you and read the helpful stuff in
this NG  However, every now and then you stray from your typical childish
spew and stray into the land of grown up intellect -- with typically
disasterous results.  That's when it starts to get fun.  Thanks for playing,
but I think I hear your mommy calling you.

How long before you go back to childish name calling?  Do try to hang in a
little longer though, just for the practice if nothing else.

Tom
JC Der Koenig - 13 Mar 2004 04:47 GMT
Been writing in English very long?

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> Ya know JC, normally I ignore just ignore you and read the helpful stuff in
> this NG
Crafting Mom - 13 Mar 2004 11:30 GMT
> It's called summarization. HTH

Let me put it more plainly.  I am not fat because of the time of the
month.  I got fat because previous to my change of way of eating, I
ate too much food, full-stop.  Craving or not, I ate ate ate.  

I am LESS FAT because I am taking measures
to eat LESS food.  Part of doing that is being able to resist
cravings.  Being able to predict when cravings will be at their
worst and then, um, NOT cave in to the cravings, is a good thing.

Here I am, basically saying the same thing you are and you don't
seem to realize that.  I am not a wffid, I know darn well I got fat
from eating too much.  I also am on your side completely on the
"bread is not low carb" postings you make, etc etc....

CM
JC Der Koenig - 13 Mar 2004 12:05 GMT
Ok then.

;-)

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> > It's called summarization. HTH
>
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>
> CM
JC Der Koenig - 13 Mar 2004 02:59 GMT
Yeah guys never get cravings, so they never have to butch up. In your
delusional fat world, that is.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> >Subject: Re: CRAZY sweets/carbs cravings just before "that time of the
> >month"?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Me- 265/222/140
> & hubby- 310/243/180
LCer09 - 13 Mar 2004 16:05 GMT
>Yeah guys never get cravings, so they never have to butch up. In your
>delusional fat world, that is.

Hormonal cravings beyond their control? (note- I said the cravings were beyond
control, NOT the eating) No, guys don't get those. And should be thankful they
don't.

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 265/222/140
& hubby- 310/243/180
JC Der Koenig - 13 Mar 2004 16:08 GMT
Cravings beyond their control?

Absolutely.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> >Yeah guys never get cravings, so they never have to butch up. In your
> >delusional fat world, that is.
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> Me- 265/222/140
> & hubby- 310/243/180
curious - 13 Mar 2004 09:03 GMT
Yes, I've experienced it.

It's really interesting how a Snickers candy bar or a piece of cake can sit there, not even tempting me until that time.  It is like..."eat me"...

BTW, I don't suppose that men can begin to understand the hormonal fluctuations...

I think I'd make myself some (chocolate) LC ice cream...it's VERY filling and won't sabatoge with the sugar.

Becky P.
www.family.solidrockpl.org
199/145/5/135
Maxine - 13 Mar 2004 15:35 GMT
Can you give me the recipe for chocolate low carb ice cream please.  I have
tried to make ice cream but it sticks to the side of my maker and then the
paddles jam up.  I would like to try another recipe so help would be
appreciated.

> Yes, I've experienced it.
>
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> www.family.solidrockpl.org
> 199/145/5/135
JC Der Koenig - 13 Mar 2004 15:58 GMT
Chocolate ice cream is not low carb.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> Can you give me the recipe for chocolate low carb ice cream please.  I have
> tried to make ice cream but it sticks to the side of my maker and then the
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> > www.family.solidrockpl.org
> > 199/145/5/135
wilson - 13 Mar 2004 20:19 GMT
> Chocolate ice cream is not low carb.

What if you make it using cocoa or unsweetened baker's chocolate?

<just discovered that frozen homemade whipped heavy cream... is tasty...
revek - 14 Mar 2004 00:08 GMT
wilson  burbled across the ether:
>> Chocolate ice cream is not low carb.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> <just discovered that frozen homemade whipped heavy cream... is
> tasty...>

Yes actually, real ice cream, made with splenda rather than sugar is
lowcarb.  It's not on the food nazi's list of approved foods though.
Too bad for them.

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revek - 14 Mar 2004 00:16 GMT
Maxine  burbled across the ether:
> Can you give me the recipe for chocolate low carb ice cream please.
> I have tried to make ice cream but it sticks to the side of my maker
> and then the paddles jam up.  I would like to try another recipe so
> help would be appreciated.

Add a little vodka to the mix (2 teaspoons per cup of cream).  Sugar has
the property of keeping the icecream from freezing rock hard, and when
you replace it with something else, you need to restore that property.
Alcohol does this nicely.  So does sugar alcohol (a name that has
nothing to do with either sugar or alcohol), but that will definitely
bring the food nazis down on your posterior.
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           2002 5'2" 41 F  165+/too much/size seven petite please
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Saffire - 14 Mar 2004 00:51 GMT
> Maxine  burbled across the ether:
> > Can you give me the recipe for chocolate low carb ice cream please.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> nothing to do with either sugar or alcohol), but that will definitely
> bring the food nazis down on your posterior.

I picked up 3 keywords in that last paragraph that brought back VIVID memories:  
"alcohol", "freeze" and "posterior".  Back in the 80s I was getting physical
therapy for my low back and ice is always a big part of it (it's a big part for
the rest of your life when you have back problems).  I was still new to icing and
didn't have any cold packs at the time, so I used ice cubes.  I was complaining
to the therapist about how hard the cubes were and she suggested that I try
mixing water with some rubbing alcohol in a zip-loc because alcohol doesn't
freeze solid like water, so it would be a cold slush instead -- it would also
last longer.  What she DIDN'T tell me was that alcohol freezes COLDER than water.  
She had already told me not to ice for more than 20 minutes at a time.  Well I
tried the alcohol suggestion and she was right -- it freezes to slush -- MUCH
more comfortable.  However, I was getting increasingly UNcomfortable because it
was TOO cold.  I tried to stay 20 minutes, but just couldn't stand it anymore and
pulled it off after 17 minutes.  I was icing in the area of my low-back/upper
butt-cheek.  It didn't feel right, though -- in fact, it felt downright WEIRD!  
It felt kind of waxy.  Alarmed, I looked in the mirror -- it had raised a huge  
WHITE welt (normally the skin would be RED where it was iced)!  As it thawed, it
started to feel like I had been burned -- BIG time!  I had FROSTBITE on my BUTT
in JULY!  For about a month my upper butt cheek looked like it had a relief map
of Russa on it!  

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Pook! - 15 Mar 2004 19:56 GMT
If "Maxine" <jimmij@clara.co.uk> had a hammer, they might have built a
post that went like this:

>Can you give me the recipe for chocolate low carb ice cream please.  I have
>tried to make ice cream but it sticks to the side of my maker and then the
>paddles jam up.  I would like to try another recipe so help would be
>appreciated.

My "basic" ice cream maker recipie is:

2 cups Heavy Cream
1 low-carb cup milk substitute (soy/Hoods)
1 cup Splenda
2 eggs

Then I adjust that with whatever other ingredients I'm using, which in
the case of chocolate would be unsweetened cocoa powder and/or Sorbee
sugar free chocolate syrup to taste and a tablespoon of vanilla
extract. I find that I only get the freezing problem if I'm using
mostly soy milk instead of mostly heavy cream, the cream doesn't
freeze like that but the soy milk/Hoods milk will freeze rock hard to
the side. Hoods more so than Soy.

The ice cream I can make with my trusty ice cream maker is about 110%
better than even the full-sugar stuff you can buy in the store without
the weight gain :)

--Pook! ^_^
Doug Freyburger - 16 Mar 2004 00:28 GMT
> BTW, I don't suppose that men can begin to understand
> the hormonal fluctuations...

Actually it's the women who have trouble understanding hormonal
flucuations.  Lucky women only get it once per month.  Men are
hormonal *all* of the time in waves.  By the time a man stops
being hormonal he's quite old.  And hence the market for Viagra
and Cialis.

When we're hormonal we want sweets.  Of a sort.  The feminine
sort.  And we stay hormonal until we get those sweets.

Candy is dandy, liquor is quicker, sex won't rot your teeth.
Some men get the candy is dandy part; some don't.  But the rest
of the hormonal stuff, men get it far more than women.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 16 Mar 2004 02:25 GMT
> > BTW, I don't suppose that men can begin to understand
> > the hormonal fluctuations...
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> Some men get the candy is dandy part; some don't.  But the rest
> of the hormonal stuff, men get it far more than women.

what an a.shole.
Doug Freyburger - 17 Mar 2004 17:14 GMT
> > > BTW, I don't suppose that men can begin to understand
> > > the hormonal fluctuations...
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>
> what an a.shole.

So your valued notion that women are hormonal and men aren't is so
sacred to you that you don't like the problems with it pointed out?
Gotcha.
JC Der Koenig - 17 Mar 2004 17:24 GMT
> > > > BTW, I don't suppose that men can begin to understand
> > > > the hormonal fluctuations...
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> sacred to you that you don't like the problems with it pointed out?
> Gotcha.

Maybe she was just hormonal.
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 17 Mar 2004 22:32 GMT
> > > > BTW, I don't suppose that men can begin to understand
> > > > the hormonal fluctuations...
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> sacred to you that you don't like the problems with it pointed out?
> Gotcha.

the only notion i expressed is that you're an a.shole.
jpatti - 13 Mar 2004 12:34 GMT
I think Jenny made a very good point in that the cravings go away
eventually whether you do anything about them or not and regardless of
what is causing them.

You can try things that have worked for other folks, like making
low-carb chocolate or DaVinci-flavored shakes or soft cheese or a bit
of peanut butter to kill cravings.  Any might help or might not help,
cause what works for someone else might not work for you.  But in the
long run, whether you find something that kills cravings or not, these
are the equations you have to choose between:

cravings + eating garbage = no cravings + weight gain + feeling crappy

cravings + eating on plan = no cravings + weight loss + feeling good

Not having cravings is not a choice; and whether you give in to
cravings or not, they will go away.  The only bit you have control
over is whether to eat garbage or not which causes a choice about the
results.

Also, if your choice involves eating carb-laden garbage, you're
getting back on the blood sugar rollercoaster, therefore increasing
cravings, and increasing how often you have to choose between "giving
in" and "butching up".

One of my primary reasons for not cheating is because I f.cking hate
suffering through the cravings and therefore don't want to do anything
to increase them.  I can't do anything about hormonally-induced
cravings, but I sure as heck can avoid insulin-induced cravings and
not make the situation that much harder on myself.
wilson - 13 Mar 2004 20:37 GMT
> Crazy mad cravings starting exactly one day before "that time of the
> month". I can time exactly when it's due just by seeing when, out of
> nowhere, I get intense, BAD cravings for a brownie or some bread
> pudding. And they sell these really really great fresh brownies at my
> work...

For me, at that time of month, the little temptress is CHOCOLATE!!!!

I don't crave other sweets - just chocolate.

During other times when I was dieting (I wasn't low-carb at the time),
I decided to solve this problem not by giving up chocolate, but by
becoming a chocolate SNOB.

I made a rule that I only eat the most expensive chocolate I could
find. There is stuff locally that sells for about $40 a pound, and
requires a trip out of my way, in order to get!

It's also pretty concentrated, meaning one or two pieces would take
the edge off the craving. My pocketbook and the trouble taken to get
the stuff, limited my consumption.

Now that I CAN'T eat sweets - very bad reaction, one *small* piece
will *ruin my day* - I'm considering switching to pure baker's
chocolate to get the "fix".
revek - 14 Mar 2004 00:19 GMT
wilson  burbled across the ether:
> For me, at that time of month, the little temptress is CHOCOLATE!!!!
>
> I don't crave other sweets - just chocolate.

Try increasing your magnesium during this period.  Really.

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wilson - 14 Mar 2004 20:01 GMT

> Try increasing your magnesium during this period.  Really.

I'll try that. Thank you!
LCer09 - 14 Mar 2004 00:40 GMT
>Now that I CAN'T eat sweets - very bad reaction, one *small* piece
>will *ruin my day* - I'm considering switching to pure baker's
>chocolate to get the "fix".

The unsweetened kind? That stuff is probably the most vile substance you could
possibly put in your mouth. Eaugh!

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& hubby- 310/242/180
wilson - 14 Mar 2004 20:01 GMT
> The unsweetened kind? That stuff is probably the most vile substance you could
> possibly put in your mouth. Eaugh!

Hey that might kill my interest in chocolate. Skinner would've thought so anyway.
LCer09 - 14 Mar 2004 20:37 GMT
>> The unsweetened kind? That stuff is probably the most vile substance you
>could
>> possibly put in your mouth. Eaugh!
>
>Hey that might kill my interest in chocolate. Skinner would've thought so
>anyway.

Seriously, I scraped a little off with my fingernail and ate it out of
curiosity. It tastes like bitter dirt. On the up side, I must have drank a
gallon of water trying to get that taste out of my mouth! That teeney-tiny bit
was HORRIBLE!! It doesn't resemble what we think of as chocolate (and I LIKE
dark chocolate!) in any way, shape or form. Nasty, NASTY stuff! (until you mix
it with something of course!)

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Me- 265/222/140
& hubby- 310/242/180
Crafting Mom - 14 Mar 2004 21:15 GMT
> Seriously, I scraped a little off with my fingernail and ate it out of
> curiosity. It tastes like bitter dirt. On the up side, I must have drank a
> gallon of water trying to get that taste out of my mouth! That teeney-tiny
> bit was HORRIBLE!! It doesn't resemble what we think of as chocolate (and
> I LIKE dark chocolate!) in any way, shape or form. Nasty, NASTY stuff!
> (until you mix it with something of course!)

I like melting a small amount (1/2 ounce) and mixing it with nut
butter (almond butter is nice).  The sweetness of the almonds
takes off the bitter edge, making it taste about the same "sweetness"
of black coffee.  I've not liked it with peanut butter, but my
favorites have been macadamia butter (a rare and expensive find
here, but nice sometimes), hazelnut butter, and almond butter.
I most often use almond as it's the more widely available and asks
me for less of my $$$.

CM

> LCing since 12/01/03-
> Me- 265/222/140
> & hubby- 310/242/180
revek - 14 Mar 2004 23:53 GMT
Crafting Mom  burbled across the ether:
> I like melting a small amount (1/2 ounce) and mixing it with nut
> butter (almond butter is nice).  The sweetness of the almonds
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> I most often use almond as it's the more widely available and asks
> me for less of my $$$.

Have you tried making your own almond butter?  A big bag of almonds
ground up in your food processor is mucho cheaper, isn't it?  Fresher
too.

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Luna - 15 Mar 2004 04:34 GMT
> Crafting Mom  burbled across the ether:
> > I like melting a small amount (1/2 ounce) and mixing it with nut
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> ground up in your food processor is mucho cheaper, isn't it?  Fresher
> too.

Can you do this with any kind of nuts?  I think pistachio butter would be
yummy.  But not until maintenance for me.  :o)

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revek - 15 Mar 2004 04:51 GMT
Luna  burbled across the ether:
> Can you do this with any kind of nuts?  I think pistachio butter
> would be yummy.  But not until maintenance for me.  :o)

I don't see why not.  All any nut butter is, is ground nuts and a little
salt.  *Maybe* a tiny bit of oil if the nut isn't oily enough to create
a butter-- but we're talking a mucho small amount.  A tablespoon or so,
I think.

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sits on the floor of your bathroom. Would you listen to anything else
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Crafting Mom - 15 Mar 2004 05:11 GMT
> Crafting Mom  burbled across the ether:
>> I like melting a small amount (1/2 ounce) and mixing it with nut
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> ground up in your food processor is mucho cheaper, isn't it?  Fresher
> too.

I've done that before too... mostly I just eat the almonds
themselves, though.  I usually get a brand called "Nuts to you"
nut butters, it contains just the nuts, no salt, no sugar, no
anything else, and the almond butter is inexpensive enough
that I don't worry about it.

CM
Ignoramus10317 - 14 Mar 2004 20:59 GMT
>> The unsweetened kind? That stuff is probably the most vile substance you could
>> possibly put in your mouth. Eaugh!
>
> Hey that might kill my interest in chocolate. Skinner would've thought so anyway.

Funny, I like unsweetened chocolate. Unfortunately, it causes me to
gain 1/2 lb of weight for every ounce eaten, miraculously. Hence, I
cannot eat much of it.

i
Crafting Mom - 14 Mar 2004 21:20 GMT
> Funny, I like unsweetened chocolate. Unfortunately, it causes me to
> gain 1/2 lb of weight for every ounce eaten, miraculously. Hence, I
> cannot eat much of it.
>
> i

I like unsweetened chocolate, but I could never eat a whole ounce
in one sitting.  1/2 of a square gives me the same chocolate hit
that is in most commercial king sized chocolate bars, which I
would never touch anyway ... (seriously,
most of the commercial "chocolate" bars contain very little actual
chocolate) so I don't crave as much.  I mentioned how I like it
with nut butter in another post, but I also enjoy it with coffee and
cream.  I have to be in the mood for it really bitter.

CM
 
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