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Paper - 13 Mar 2004 12:32 GMT
This will probably end up being kind of long - so please try to stick
with me to the end...There IS a point...LOL

I've been back on the seriously low-carb bandwagon for a little over
two weeks now. I lost a huge chunk when I first started with it two
years ago, but my head wasn't in the right place then. I started to
over-eat the high fat stuff, didn't watch the calories, didn't get to
the root of WHY I wanted to eat all the time, and just plain didn't
bother to to anything about the inner me. SOOOOOOO...I quit. I decided
I really did need bread and tons of fruit and cereal and potatoes
and...you get the picture. I listened to my trainer at the gym. I ate
the way he suggested. I joined the points counting low fat weight loss
group, and lost 30 pounds fairly quickly (5 months) but I felt crappy
all the time. I was hungry, my bones ached, my muscles ached, I tried
to convince myself that I had lots of energy - but I really didn't.

I've been struggling with a muscle-related problem since last summer.
It was causing me to have constant pain in my leg. No matter what I
did, I couldn't get rid of it. My trainer tried all kinds of exercises
and stretches - some would work for a short time, and then the pain
would come back in spades.

Finally, out of desperation, I decided to come back to the low-carb
fold. This time, because of all the inner work I've done, I'm
following the plan properly. Once I realized WHY I was looking to
stuff myself all the time I know longer felt the need to do it. I'm
counting carbs, but I'm really watching the calories too.

Guess what? All my muscle aches and pains are gone. The aggravating
pain in my leg has totally disappeared. I feel great, and I have REAL
energy - not just pretend energy...lol

Some research suggests that nobody is really 'allergic' to carbs - but
I believe I am. I can't eat any kind of grain, and very little fruit
or starch. When I do - the aches come back. Processed food of any kind
brings on the pain.

I finally get it. I really do! Good plain protein, good fresh oil,
green vegetables, and berries. A little yogurt once a day.

Halleluiah!!!! I have seen the light! (Took me long enough)

Paper

If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
Jenny - 13 Mar 2004 13:32 GMT
Paper,

The leg pain may have nothing to do with being "allergic to carbs."  It may
be a very early symptom of diabetes called neuropathy.  Neuropathy typically
starts when blood sugars rise over 140 mg/dl after meals. This is way below
the standard that doctors use for diagnosing diabetes.

Lowering blood sugars can improve this kind of nerve-caused pain.

If that is what the leg pain is you must take it as a major wake-up call
that tells you the importance of controlling your blood sugar above and
beyond the needs of weight loss.  The same high  blood sugars that cause
nerves in legs and feet to hurt lead to nerve damage that causes impotence
and abnormalities of heart beat. All these occur long before you reach the
blood sugar level where a doctor will diagnose you as diabetic, alas.

-- Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
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Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
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> This will probably end up being kind of long - so please try to stick
> with me to the end...There IS a point...LOL
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> If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
> High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
Bear - 13 Mar 2004 15:39 GMT
I have severe leg pain and have yet to find any relief. The last
neurosurgeon I consulted said it might be related to diabetes. I had been
tested many times for it and never any abnormalities. I did it again anyway
and the level was 111. I don't think that's very high but my doc said we
need to watch it. I've been on lo carb since Jan 28 and no change in my pain
and numbness. What do you think of a 111 result Jenny? It seems like a
normal number from what I've read. TIA
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> Paper,
>
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> > If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
> > High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
Jenny - 13 Mar 2004 23:57 GMT
Bear,

If that 111 mg/dl was a fasting blood sugar number, you may very well have
serious diabetes.  In a well conducted study, the fasting blood sugar test
failed to diagnose diabetes in 70% of people who had both neuropathy and
diabetes when diagnosed with the more accurate 2-hr glucose tolerance test.

Singleton, JR Smith AG, Bromberg, MB Increased prevalence of impaired
glucose tolerance in patients with painful sensory neuropathy. Diabetes Care
24 (8) 1448-1453 2001
http://tinyurl.com/398nv

-- Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

> I have severe leg pain and have yet to find any relief. The last
> neurosurgeon I consulted said it might be related to diabetes. I had been
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> > > If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
> > > High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
Sleepyman - 14 Mar 2004 06:02 GMT
>> I have severe leg pain and have yet to find any relief. The last
>> neurosurgeon I consulted said it might be related to diabetes. I had been
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>> 297/264.5/210
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/

The 111 could very well be a warning for diabetes. A little context is
needed though. Was this a fasting blood glucose number? (FBG). I fast
for 10 hours (no food, water only) when I go in for my quarterly blood
tests. If it was after eating, how long? There can be many other
factors that can raise your BG (blood glucose) levels, such as stress,
an infection, etc. That said however, a healthy non diabetic can sit
down and eat a whole package of Oreos, and not have their BG go much
above 85-90. My suggestion would be to go to Wal-Mart, and buy one of
their Relion Blood Glucose Meters. They (along with the test strips)
have the least expensive meter that I know of, and many say it is
extremely accurate. Start testing upon awakening (before eating), 1
and 2 hours after meals, and at bedtime. See how it comes out.
When I was first dx'd with diabetes, I was fighting some serious
infections. When the infections cleared, my numbers were no longer
diabetic. With a history of T1 and T2 in my family, I have always been
tested regularly. So a year and a half after my initial dx, I wasn't
surprised when I was dx'd for real, damnit! Good Luck,

Sleepy

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Paper - 13 Mar 2004 23:09 GMT
>Paper,
>
>The leg pain may have nothing to do with being "allergic to carbs."  It may
>be a very early symptom of diabetes called neuropathy.
<snip>

It isn't. But I do appreciate you posting the info. It may be of great
benefit to someone else. That was one of the first things my doctor
checked on - my blood sugar has always been in the low range. This is
definitely a tissue thing, and while my leg has caused the most
aggravation, other muscles have been involved as well.

Paper

If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150
Damsel in dis Dress - 13 Mar 2004 17:37 GMT
>I finally get it. I really do! Good plain protein, good fresh oil,
>green vegetables, and berries. A little yogurt once a day.
>
>Halleluiah!!!! I have seen the light! (Took me long enough)

You go, girl!  I'm glad you've discovered the secret to pain-free living.
What wonderful news!  I'm happy for you!

Carol
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Low-Carb since March 12, 2004
Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001

Saffire - 13 Mar 2004 20:34 GMT
> I finally get it. I really do! Good plain protein, good fresh oil,
> green vegetables, and berries. A little yogurt once a day.
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> If it's not one thing - it's your mother.
> High Weight 308/225-Atkins Start/221.5/150

Welcome to the fold, sister!

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Atkins since 6/14/03
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Cailleachschilde - 19 Mar 2004 04:27 GMT
>Guess what? All my muscle aches and pains are gone. The aggravating
>pain in my leg has totally disappeared. I feel great, and I have REAL
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>or starch. When I do - the aches come back. Processed food of any kind
>brings on the pain.

>Paper

Yep.  Can be the diet.  Eicosanoids are a group of intracellular hormones.  Not
much is known about them since the never leave the cell and exist for a second.
When you keep your insulin levels low, then your body creates series one
eicosanoids (good guys).  And when you eat high carbs, your body creates more
series two eicosanoids (bad guys).

http://www.drsears.com/drsearspages/understandeicos.jsp

HTH even though I'm probably clear as mud.

Yvonne
JC Der Koenig - 19 Mar 2004 04:28 GMT
Oh jeez, a fat Sears type expert. I'm in awe. Really.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> >Guess what? All my muscle aches and pains are gone. The aggravating
> >pain in my leg has totally disappeared. I feel great, and I have REAL
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>
> Yvonne
bidkev - 19 Mar 2004 07:57 GMT
> Oh jeez, a fat Sears type expert. I'm in awe. Really.

typo? Shouldn't that read "I'm an ee-awe"?

Most of us probably aren't in danger of getting a taste of our own
medicine.

>>> Guess what? All my muscle aches and pains are gone. The aggravating
>>> pain in my leg has totally disappeared. I feel great, and I have
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>>
>> Yvonne
JC Der Koenig - 19 Mar 2004 12:09 GMT
Another nonsensical post from a fat idiot. I shouldn't be surprised, but the
level of inanity has risen to new heights. Way to go, bi-kev.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> > Oh jeez, a fat Sears type expert. I'm in awe. Really.
>
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> >>
> >> Yvonne
bidkev - 19 Mar 2004 21:51 GMT
> Another nonsensical post from a fat idiot. I shouldn't be surprised,
> but the level of inanity has risen to new heights. Way to go, bi-kev.

Cheers. I'll work hard at keeping you amused seeing as you're a
miserable git.

>>> Oh jeez, a fat Sears type expert. I'm in awe. Really.
>>
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>>>>
>>>> Yvonne
revek - 19 Mar 2004 23:11 GMT
> Cheers. I'll work hard at keeping you amused seeing as you're a
> miserable git.

Nice, innit? ;)

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revek
And now for some feedback: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
bidkev - 19 Mar 2004 23:53 GMT
>> Cheers. I'll work hard at keeping you amused seeing as you're a
>> miserable git.
>
> Nice, innit? ;)

I wouldn't know.
 
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