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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Carb-short days?
I'm in OWL and still looking for my CCLL. Just wondering what people do on days when your carbs are very low. Do you try to bring your carbs up by eating something carby before end of day?? I especially wonder if I should do this since I'm trying to find my CCLL. Today my carbs are 14.1, calories 1417 (318 lb male) and it's 9:30 at night. My daily carb limit is 35 for this week. Today was very busy-wasn't hungry in the morning, grabbed some pepperoni&cheese as a snack, brought home some Loin Tip Steak (still not sure what cut that is, bought at Costco)--very similar to SKirt Steak(which I love!), ate that cause I was hungry and wanted to try it. Came home again after 7:30 and made some more steak--it was good. Cup of LC Milk. But I filled up quickly. I might get hungry for a small snack by 10-10:30 (usually it is something very small - a hard boiled egg, a Wasa cracker with something on it, jello or 1/2 cup LC ice cream, pork rinds, celery & dip). Sometimes I'll use the carb gap to have a carby treat-like half a PB&J sandwich, the LC ice cream. I tried using a few chunks of canteloupe as a treat but I put on 2.5 pounds in two days of eating canteloupe--weird I can eat a lot of cals and lose weight but 2 oz. of canteloupe in a day and I'm bouncing up more than a pound a day. Must have to do with the structure of the sugars in the canteloupe. Maybe triggers restock of glycogen stores. Later on i'm going to experiment again with canteloupe and see if those results recurr. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/319/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 than you are just short for that day.. do not try to make up late in the evening.. >I'm in OWL and still looking for my CCLL. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >350/319/Mar-315/200 >Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 >than you are just short for that day.. do not try to make up late in >the evening.. When I eat doesn't seem to affect me--eating late doesn't affect me in any detectable way. It's 10:40 now and I'm just not hungry. I'm tired enough that I'll be in bed shortly. The other day I was over 16g short and I had a munchie craving so I had a Wasa cracker with 1 tsp grape jelly. It was a 9.4g treat. I'm just thinking being to short messes with finding my CCLL. My two weeks at 30carbs averaged 26 carbs. My first week at 35 is averaging 29.5 so far. When I don't plan my meals I tend to undershoot by eating safe things. If I eat at someone else's house I go higher. Next week should be busy so I expect to not be as accurate as in past weeks. >>I'm in OWL and still looking for my CCLL. >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>350/319/Mar-315/200 >>Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/319/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 DigitalVinyl burbled across the ether: > I'm in OWL and still looking for my CCLL. > > Just wondering what people do on days when your carbs are very low. > > Do you try to bring your carbs up by eating something carby before end > of day?? No. I don't force things like that. Trying will drive you crazy. Just accept that there will be days when you're over, and days when you're under. So long as the weekly/monthly averages are where you want to be, it will work out. > I especially wonder if I should do this since I'm trying to find my > CCLL. Just keep an eye on it. Weekly averages are easier to work with for finding ccll. > Today my carbs are 14.1, calories 1417 (318 lb male) and it's 9:30 at > night. My daily carb limit is 35 for this week. If you really worry, try eating something with lots of fiber in it. At least it will help keep your plumbing in tiptop shape. > Today was very busy-wasn't hungry in the morning, grabbed some > pepperoni&cheese as a snack, brought home some Loin Tip Steak (still > not sure what cut that is, bought at Costco)--very similar to SKirt > Steak(which I love!), ate that cause I was hungry and wanted to try > it. Came home again after 7:30 and made some more steak--it was good. > Cup of LC Milk. But I filled up quickly. You really need to eat vegetables. That is where you should be getting most of your carbs from. Tomatos, onions, peppers, these add flavor and variety, as well as increase your carb count fairly easily. > I might get hungry for a small snack by 10-10:30 (usually it is > something very small - a hard boiled egg, a Wasa cracker with > something on it, jello or 1/2 cup LC ice cream, pork rinds, celery & > dip). Sometimes I'll use the carb gap to have a carby treat-like half > a PB&J sandwich, the LC ice cream. A small salad with the above named veggies would up your carb level quite a bit without making you gorge yourself, and keep your calories fairly low too. > I tried using a few chunks of canteloupe as a treat but I put on 2.5 > pounds in two days of eating canteloupe--weird I can eat a lot of cals > and lose weight but 2 oz. of canteloupe in a day and I'm bouncing up > more than a pound a day. Must have to do with the structure of the > sugars in the canteloupe. It's called fructose, and it puts glycogen in the liver rather than in the muscles. >Maybe triggers restock of glycogen stores. Most assuredly. *All* carbohydrate does.  Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please Science is facts; just as houses are made of stones, so is science made of facts; but a pile of stones is not a house and a collection of facts is not necessarily science. -- Henri Poincare (1854-1912), French mathematician, physicist, author. Often considered to be "the last great generalist in mathematics" and the first to recognize the mathematics of chaos. >DigitalVinyl burbled across the ether: >> I'm in OWL and still looking for my CCLL. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >most of your carbs from. Tomatos, onions, peppers, these add flavor and >variety, as well as increase your carb count fairly easily. I actually had green beans and cauliflower--that's where 7 of my 14 carbs did come from. I should have made some salad but this was not a very hungry day for me. Didn't start eating until 1:30 in the afternoon and was in a rush then. >> I might get hungry for a small snack by 10-10:30 (usually it is >> something very small - a hard boiled egg, a Wasa cracker with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >quite a bit without making you gorge yourself, and keep your calories >fairly low too. Today is definitely not a day to worry about gorging...simply not hungry enough. Salads are typically my lunches and sometimes a side with dinner. For instance, I will be making a cobb-style salad with avocado(have avocados to use up). Although I was thinking of making a breakfast frittata(with veggies) as a brunch thing for Sunday (using spaghetti squash instead of potato in the frittata). >> I tried using a few chunks of canteloupe as a treat but I put on 2.5 >> pounds in two days of eating canteloupe--weird I can eat a lot of cals [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Most assuredly. *All* carbohydrate does. Yes, but I am talking there was a major difference eating canteloupe versus every other carb I eaten. Here's four days in a row 2 oz. canteloupe (4-5 small chunks), 2200 cals/day = gained 1 pound 2 oz. canteloupe again, 2500 cals/day = gained 1.4 pounds no canteloupe, 3450 cals/day = lost 0.9 pounds no canteloupe, 2750 cals/day = lost 0.3 pounds BTW My activity levels the four days were about the same. I was home all four days. I did laundry on the first day-the only noticeable exception. So I ate 4 oz of canteloupe, 9.2 grams of net carbs and gained 2.4 pounds! In nine weeks these are the only two days I have had such significant gains. Canteloupe was the only thing that I ate that day that I haven't eaten before or after those days. For me, it certainly seems, that canteloupe triggered water gain. Whether retaining water or rebuilding glycogen stores--and such dramatic rebuilding has not occurred again or before. Even a week later when I ate 43 carbs in a day I still lost weight--no detectable glycogen restock. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/318/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 :: "revek" <pphillps1962@hotmail.com> wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] :: no canteloupe, 3450 cals/day = lost 0.9 pounds :: no canteloupe, 2750 cals/day = lost 0.3 pounds Interesting.... Fructose causes refill of liver glycogen. :: BTW My activity levels the four days were about the same. I was home :: all four days. I did laundry on the first day-the only noticeable :: exception. Are you getting any real exercise. I note that you do seem to be eating your veggies...I wish you had said so before.... :: So I ate 4 oz of canteloupe, 9.2 grams of net carbs and gained 2.4 :: pounds! In nine weeks these are the only two days I have had such [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: occurred again or before. Even a week later when I ate 43 carbs in a :: day I still lost weight--no detectable glycogen restock. Well, so you know that canteloupe causes water gain....don't sweat it for a minute...you'll likely still losing fat, especially when you keep kcals low.... :: DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) :: 350/318/Mar-315/200 :: Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 :: I'm in OWL and still looking for my CCLL. :: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :: Today my carbs are 14.1, calories 1417 (318 lb male) and it's 9:30 at :: night. My daily carb limit is 35 for this week. It's good that you're following the plan and finding your CCLL.... However, if you can get by -- without getting crazy -- on so few calories, then I suspect you don't really need to worry about a CCLL for a while -- to lose weight. Just make sure you really eating your veggies. From the sounds of it, you aren't. :: Today was very busy-wasn't hungry in the morning, grabbed some :: pepperoni&cheese as a snack, brought home some Loin Tip Steak (still :: not sure what cut that is, bought at Costco)--very similar to SKirt :: Steak(which I love!), ate that cause I was hungry and wanted to try :: it. Came home again after 7:30 and made some more steak--it was good. :: Cup of LC Milk. But I filled up quickly. Steak, LC Milk and no veggies? :: I might get hungry for a small snack by 10-10:30 (usually it is :: something very small - a hard boiled egg, a Wasa cracker with :: something on it, jello or 1/2 cup LC ice cream, pork rinds, celery & :: dip). Sometimes I'll use the carb gap to have a carby treat-like half :: a PB&J sandwich, the LC ice cream. sh.t...you're talking LC ice cream, milk, crackers, but no VEGGIES (I see where you mentioned celery, but that sounds too brief to me)? :: I tried using a few chunks of canteloupe as a treat but I put on 2.5 :: pounds in two days of eating canteloupe--weird I can eat a lot of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: glycogen stores. Later on i'm going to experiment again with :: canteloupe and see if those results recurr. Try eating a shitload of broccoli florets and/or caulifower. Spinach.. Come on DV...be a good LCer and eat your veggies. Keeping carbs & cals low is great and all, but you need those veggies. Else your pooping will get messed up and we'll be hearing about that! :) :: DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) :: 350/319/Mar-315/200 :: Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 >:: I'm in OWL and still looking for my CCLL. >:: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >It's good that you're following the plan and finding your CCLL.... Well I want to know what it is BEFORE I spend the next year or two in OWL/Induction. Once I know what my number is now, I'll choose how low I'll stay for OWL. >However, if you can get by -- without getting crazy -- on so few calories, >then I suspect you don't really need to worry about a CCLL for a while -- to >lose weight. Just make sure you really eating your veggies. From the >sounds of it, you aren't. If I plan my meals out I eat veggies. If I'm running around I tend not to--always been one to focus on meats more, always. I also skip meals when I'm busy. I just forget to eat. Past few days have been busy hence skipping the greens too much. I also just went food shopping today. Tonight and tomrrow will be much better. However, again, it is is almost 5PM, not hungry and only 10 carbs/1100 cals so far. Tonight I'm going to make a big vegetable frittata. I like eating it cold. This way I have something quick for breakfast or lunch for a few days. I'm also thinking I should prep little salads to eat when I'm rushed. >:: Today was very busy-wasn't hungry in the morning, grabbed some >:: pepperoni&cheese as a snack, brought home some Loin Tip Steak (still [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Steak, LC Milk and no veggies? Yeah--that's how i tended to eat. I would cycle through meat-heavy meals, then eat lots of veggies when I was in the mood, especially after I started growing them myself last year. >:: I might get hungry for a small snack by 10-10:30 (usually it is >:: something very small - a hard boiled egg, a Wasa cracker with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >sh.t...you're talking LC ice cream, milk, crackers, but no VEGGIES (I see >where you mentioned celery, but that sounds too brief to me)? My snacks (non-meals) typically aren't veggies. coldcut & cheese, deviled eggs, macadamia nuts are my most common snacks. They are also very small, 1-2 oz. of food and don't take any prep time(i make 6 deviled eggs at a time). A cold cup of the LC milk is very appealing as a simple "snack". Unless I have some dip or tuna salad then I use celery sticks with that. During the spring/summer I will likely snack on small tomatoes, jalapenos & snap peas right from the garden. (fresh garden veggies will be a challenge this summer--I've already added more low-carb choices.) >:: I tried using a few chunks of canteloupe as a treat but I put on 2.5 >:: pounds in two days of eating canteloupe--weird I can eat a lot of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Try eating a shitload of broccoli florets and/or caulifower. Spinach.. All stuff I do eat, still training myself to think of them more. >Come on DV...be a good LCer and eat your veggies. Keeping carbs & cals low >is great and all, but you need those veggies. Else your pooping will get >messed up and we'll be hearing about that! :) That would be a bit of unnecessary sharing! DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/318/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] :: OWL/Induction. Once I know what my number is now, I'll choose how low :: I'll stay for OWL. You know...I've lost 127 lbs so far and I never found my CCLL....maybe I should go back and start over :) ::: However, if you can get by -- without getting crazy -- on so few ::: calories, then I suspect you don't really need to worry about a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: days. :: I'm also thinking I should prep little salads to eat when I'm rushed. Yeah, or buy precut broccoli and cauliflower....or celery sticks....then just grab a bunch & put in a baggie....zip, zoom, and fly :) ::::: Today was very busy-wasn't hungry in the morning, grabbed some ::::: pepperoni&cheese as a snack, brought home some Loin Tip Steak [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] :: meals, then eat lots of veggies when I was in the mood, especially :: after I started growing them myself last year. Yeah, I hear ya. After i wrote this, I read another post of your that had more info... ::::: I might get hungry for a small snack by 10-10:30 (usually it is ::::: something very small - a hard boiled egg, a Wasa cracker with [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] ::: Spinach.. :: All stuff I do eat, still training myself to think of them more. I got ya...it's a process...sounds like you're doing just fine.... ::: Come on DV...be a good LCer and eat your veggies. Keeping carbs & ::: cals low is great and all, but you need those veggies. Else your ::: pooping will get messed up and we'll be hearing about that! :) :: That would be a bit of unnecessary sharing! Well, many do! >:: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: >:: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >You know...I've lost 127 lbs so far and I never found my CCLL....maybe I >should go back and start over :) I'm really curious if your CCLL/CCLM changes over time. beyond changes in phsycial activity which will raise lower these supposedly. I was thinking for Christmas time of going into maintenance, at whatever weight I am then. Finding my CCLM and defining a range. This would allow more relaxed holidays. Don't have to worry as much going to parties, dinners, visiting families, relatives. Holidays can be very stressful in my family and even depressing! But I'm not sure if this would make it easier or harder. But partially just to see what my maintenance is. Then restart using Induction and resume OWL. Its an idea and I won't know if I'll try it till I get there. It's likely I won't enter "permanent" maintenance likely till almost 2006. I'm curious if my carb maintenance levels would differ at different weights. This has been a slight confusion for me lately. The whole carb level-ketosis talk. Too many carbs kicks you out of "ketosis" actually is confusing me now. Partially because I don't think ketosis is a state of being but a process that happens in everyone's body. To show where my head is lost... for example: if 1500 cals/day with 20 carbs = 0.25 lbs lost per day then 1500 cals/day with 200 carbs = ?.?? lbs lost per day 0.25 lbs-- the same, right. The difference would be ...nothing ...maybe less adipose fat burned?? why? I would still be burning the 1500 cals consumed (fat,carbs, & protein) and then a little more. The only thing I can deduce is that the caloric shortage may not come exclusively out of fat, but may also come from lean tissue. That would jive with studies mentioned in DANDR. The reason why low-carb focuses on fat loss where other caloric restictive diets lose fat & lean muscle tissue doesn't seem well explained--and maybe still not medically understood/proven. The fact that lowcarb has appetite supression and craving control as benefits is very understood. Also people find other medical conditions clear up--also totally sold on these concepts. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/318/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 > This has been a slight confusion for me lately. The whole carb > level-ketosis talk. Too many carbs kicks you out of "ketosis" actually [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > restictive diets lose fat & lean muscle tissue doesn't seem well > explained--and maybe still not medically understood/proven. It's not *just* a matter of calories though. A cord of a particular type of wood has a certain amount of calories, but how much heat is produced depends on how it's burned. Some stoves are more efficient than others. Similarly, the human body varies in what it does with fuel. If you're running on a primarily insulin-moderated biochemistry, it's easier to store fat, whereas a primarily glucagon-moderated biochemistry burns fat. It's not that you can't burn fat with high insulin or store fat with high glucagon, it's that it's not as efficient. It's harder to put on fat with a high glucagon level, but not impossible. And it's harder to lose fat with a lot of insulin, but again not impossible. Low-carb reduces insulin levels an icnrease glucagon levels, making losing weight easier, but not inevitable. It's the difference between going downhill versus going uphill... downhill is easier, but you still have to be going in the right direciton if you want to get to your goal. Both hormones are there all the time, and all the biochemistry is happenning all the time. The point is which is in excess, which is the overall way the body runs. It's just like sex hormones. Both males and females make both testosterone and estrogen, but there's a *big* difference depending on which one predominates. >> This has been a slight confusion for me lately. The whole carb >> level-ketosis talk. Too many carbs kicks you out of "ketosis" actually [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >store fat, whereas a primarily glucagon-moderated biochemistry burns >fat. That's what I was missing--glucagon, that is not a familiar term. JUst did some reading and was definitely missing that. Glucagon is an FMS(fat mobilizing substance), causes ketones to be released from adipose tissue as well as triggers the liver to drop glycogen stores. That was definitely a missing puzzle piece. Some of my reading- can't recall if in Atkins or otherwise- said that there is no hormone to counter insulin. Obviously that is untrue. If an overrelease of insulin occurs and blood sugars drop too low, glucagon would be released to bring blood sugar back up. Although they were correct in saying that there is nothing to remove excess insulin from the bloodstream except for it to soak up glucose. Thanks. >It's not that you can't burn fat with high insulin or store fat with >high glucagon, it's that it's not as efficient. It's harder to put on [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >males and females make both testosterone and estrogen, but there's a >*big* difference depending on which one predominates. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/318/Mar-315/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 > That's what I was missing--glucagon, that is not a familiar term. JUst > did some reading and was definitely missing that. Glucagon is an > FMS(fat mobilizing substance), causes ketones to be released from > adipose tissue as well as triggers the liver to drop glycogen stores. > That was definitely a missing puzzle piece. I highly suggest you read Lyle McDonald's book, "The Ketogenic Diet - A Complete Guide for the Dieter and Practitioner" It will give you most of technical details you'll need to understand the body's fuel systems, exercise fuel needs and how LC works. SignatureRudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm >> That's what I was missing--glucagon, that is not a familiar term. JUst >> did some reading and was definitely missing that. Glucagon is an [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you most of technical details you'll need to understand the body's fuel > systems, exercise fuel needs and how LC works. It does a good job on the first and third, but is just OK on the "exercise fuel needs," in my opinion. First, there's almost nothing in the book for aerobic athletes, even those operating at high heart rates. Second, for weightlifters, the calculations given are much higher than my actual needs. Third, while it's great to know that TKDs and CKDs exist, it takes a significant amount of work to get these to work for an individual, especially one performing a large amount of aerobics. SignatureBob in CT Remove ".x" to reply :: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:22:56 GMT, RRzVRR <rrZvrr@ix.netcom.com> :: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] :: these to work for an individual, especially one performing a large :: amount of aerobics. It is directed at weightlifters, really, and that bunch looks at aerobics with a certain disdain. > :: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:22:56 GMT, RRzVRR <rrZvrr@ix.netcom.com> > :: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > It is directed at weightlifters, really, and that bunch looks at aerobics > with a certain disdain. Heh. > It does a good job on the first and third, but is just OK on the > "exercise fuel needs," in my opinion. First, there's almost nothing in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > work for an individual, especially one performing a large amount of > aerobics. The OP isn't in need of TKD or CKD. They didn't understand the effects of glucagon or its relationship with insulin. I think the book is a worthwhile for people who are interested in LC beyond food list even if they never read any of the sections on exercise. But can you suggest a better source for easily understanding fuel use during exercise that would be as concise, let alone directed toward LC plan? While I found "Slow Burn" by Stu Mittleman interesting, most of it wouldn't be a worthwhile read for someone who isn't currently doing endurance exercise. SignatureRudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm > I'm really curious if your CCLL/CCLM changes over time. beyond changes > in phsycial activity which will raise lower these supposedly. 1) It drifts around a bit on a scale of years. I've had years at 50 and one at 40. 2) Exercise increases it; you already covered that. 3) CCLL can be driven down by staying too low too low. In fact it can be crashed to zero. The few Eskimoes and Inuits who live the traditional hunting lifestyle on the ice aren't in ketosis yet they eat close to zero months or years on end. Just to let you know, this is the biggest reason for the 6 month safety limit for staying on Induction. Been there, done that, got the teeshirt marked CCLL=0. It sucks. It's part of the reason I have studied the hormonal balances so carefully. I wanted to know what happened to me. It was the level 3 T3 thyroid and leptin thing. > I was > thinking for Christmas time of going into maintenance, at whatever [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > stressful in my family and even depressing! But I'm not sure if this > would make it easier or harder. Shrug. Either way sounds fine. > But partially just to see what my maintenance is. Find your CCLL and you will know the bottom of your maintenance range. Excellent prep work. > This has been a slight confusion for me lately. The whole carb > level-ketosis talk. Too many carbs kicks you out of "ketosis" actually > is confusing me now. Partially because I don't think ketosis is a > state of being but a process that happens in everyone's body. Right. Atkins is not obvious. > if 1500 cals/day with 20 carbs = 0.25 lbs lost per day > then 1500 cals/day with 200 carbs = ?.?? lbs lost per day > 0.25 lbs-- the same, right. No. For me at 1800 cal, under my CCLL of 50 I'll lose, at 1800 over my CCLL under my CCLM of 100 I'll maintain, at 1800 over my CCLM I'll gain slowly. Same calories, different hormonal balance. > The difference would be ...nothing ...maybe less adipose fat burned? Burned, withdrawn, wasted, whatever. It sure blows away the "a calorie is a calorie is a calorie" theory. > why? It's what Dr A called the metabolic edge and what so many try to deny by ignoring all of those studies. > The reason why low-carb focuses on fat loss where other caloric > restictive diets lose fat & lean muscle tissue doesn't seem well > explained-- Argeed. Eat enough fat and the minimum protein seems to go down. I have not read any explanation why, just that it happens. > reason for the 6 month safety limit for staying on Induction. Been > there, done that, got the teeshirt marked CCLL=0. It sucks. It's part > of the reason I have studied the hormonal balances so carefully. I > wanted to know what happened to me. It was the level 3 T3 thyroid and > leptin thing. Wow. What did you have to do to raise it back up again - carbs + exercise? SignatureJohn >> DigitalVinyl wrote: >>>> "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> You know...I've lost 127 lbs so far and I never found my >> CCLL....maybe I should go back and start over :) Hi Roger, that's great. What weight did you start out at, and how long did it take you to lose it? Monica Signature______________________________________ Started 01/20/04 362/330.6/250 ______________________________________ "First do no harm." - Hippocrates :: Roger Zoul wrote: :::::: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: long did it take you to lose it? :: Monica Started at 367 in October 2001...now at 240...still working on it... Good 'on ya! Excellent work. > :: Roger Zoul wrote: > :::::: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Started at 367 in October 2001...now at 240...still working on it... At some point you will be convinced that you don't need carbs to be happy and healthy. If you fall short... all the better for that day. SignatureJK Sinrod Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories > At some point you will be convinced that you don't need carbs to be happy > and healthy. If you fall short... all the better for that day. Unless you read the book and follow the directions, anyways. There isn't a single book by a low carb expert that advocates going lower and lower. No matter how tempting it is to take a preconceived notion that carbs are the enemy therefore less carbs must be better, and then read your book of choice trying to find that view, that notion is NOT present. Not in DANDR, not in SBD, not in PP, not in CAD, not in any of the technical ones. Not one single book adheres to that preceonceived notion. Not one. > I'm in OWL and still looking for my CCLL. > Just wondering what people do on days when your carbs are very low. > Do you try to bring your carbs up by eating something carby before end > of day?? When I was trying to find my CCLL, a wide oldtimer taught me to keep a running count so that doesn't happen. It made me paranoid enough that on day 15 I added my 5 at breakfast. That made getting to my 25 much easier. The organization needed to get to the daily quota is a bear. Do much of the work at the grocery store by buying a lot of stuff that makes getting to todays' quota easy. Continue each morning starting the count early in the day and eating enough carbs to count. Move on buy packing a lunch that has enough carbs, even though it will end up being a wierd combination of veggies and such. And on the days you're still low, go ahead and eat slightly carbier stuff. If it would take over eating to get to quota, don't. Shrug. There are plenty of days in the future to find your CCLL. |
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