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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004I told ya so!
I just got off the phone with my sister.... you know, the one that refused to even try lowcarb. The one that kept offering me special k for breakfast and apologized for only having full fat sour cream when I went up for new year's... gee it's been over a year now. Her doctor put her on a lowcarb diet! <everybody dance a jig>. She called me so I could specifically say the thread title. I kept going on about 'not saying I told ya so' but she said 'after the fifth time it is TOO an I told ya so'. We both laughed about it. Only trouble is, her doctor has fallen for the Eat Right For Your Body Type nonsense and is also trying to get her to eat lowfat as well as lowcarb (just my luck that sis is a type O and lowcarb is prescribed). She has a list of foods that are 'bad' for her, which include cabbage and avacado, while her 'good' for her list includes sweet potatos. I told her to try a different lowcarb plan if the one the doctor gave her made her feel hungry all the time (and she zings back "Atkins, right?" and I said, well it's MY favorite) and gave her a list of the different plans to look into. I am really thrilled for her. Because she has gotten up to 200 pounds now, and we used to have the same types of trouble physically and emotionally (and she was getting desperate these last few years). I see what would have happened to me if I'd stayed on the high carb path. It ain't pretty.  Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please A rant a day keeps the white coats away. -KellyAnn >> I just got off the phone with my sister.... you know, the one that >> refused to even try lowcarb. The one that kept offering me special k [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Only trouble is, her doctor has fallen for the Eat Right For Your >> Body Type nonsense Hi Rev, I'm happy for your sister, I wish her luck in her weight loss journey. I'm also very curious to know why your think Dr. D'Adamo's work and research is nonsense? Please tell me how you based your opinion. I'd appreciate it, thanks. Monica Signature______________________________________ Started 01/20/04 362/330.6/250 ______________________________________ "First do no harm." - Hippocrates TavliGal burbled across the ether: >>> I just got off the phone with my sister.... you know, the one that >>> refused to even try lowcarb. The one that kept offering me special [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > opinion. I'd appreciate it, thanks. > Monica 1. His theories haven't been backed up by any *peer reviewed* research. All research published is done so by him, so all raw data remains in his hands alone. Kind of suspicious, if you ask me. I mean that is one of the reasons for peer review, right? To cut down on the hanky panky with the data? 2. Many species of animals have multiple blood types and all eat the same diet, and apparently do just fine. 3. If his theories were correct, we'd have diseases linked to blood type. Nope. 4. Most people are type O, which co-inki-dink, means they get a lowcarb diet, so most people will do well on it. Gee whillikers, who would have thought? There are plenty of folks here who aren't blood type O and are also doing well on lowcarb, and do NOT do well on the plan for their blood type. Now why would that be, unless of course, that his theories don't pan out? Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please By doing just a little every day, I can gradually let the task completely overwhelm me. - Ashleigh Brilliant >There are plenty of folks here who aren't blood type O and are > also doing well on lowcarb, and do NOT do well on the plan for their > blood type. Now why would that be, unless of course, that his theories > don't pan out? <Raises hand>. Me! Me! I'm a happy type-B low-carber. Debbie Me too! Julia > >There are plenty of folks here who aren't blood type O and are > > also doing well on lowcarb, and do NOT do well on the plan for their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Debbie >>> There are plenty of folks here who aren't blood type O and are >>> also doing well on lowcarb, and do NOT do well on the plan for their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Debbie Type B's are very similar to O's so a low carb diet is best. The only major differences is that B's can handle dairy and it is highly beneficial for them, as opposed to O's where red meat is highly beneficial and dairy is an avoid. Type B's can also eat poultry, fish and leafy green veggies. Both blood types need vigorous physical activity. Type A's are the lucky ones, they only need mild de-stressing type exercise :( Monica Signature______________________________________ Started 01/20/04 362/330.6/250 ______________________________________ "First do no harm." - Hippocrates > >There are plenty of folks here who aren't blood type O and are > > also doing well on lowcarb, and do NOT do well on the plan for their > > blood type. Now why would that be, unless of course, that his theories > > don't pan out? > > <Raises hand>. Me! Me! I'm a happy type-B low-carber. Happy A+ here! SignatureSaffire 205/166/125 - 5'2.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 > >There are plenty of folks here who aren't blood type O and are > > also doing well on lowcarb, and do NOT do well on the plan for their > > blood type. Now why would that be, unless of course, that his theories > > don't pan out? > > <Raises hand>. Me! Me! I'm a happy type-B low-carber. A+ here who is very happy on low carb and was very unhappy (and getting steadily fatter) on the diet recommended for type As (blood, not personality). Martha SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. >> TavliGal burbled across the ether: >>> revek wrote: >>>>> Only trouble is, her doctor has fallen for the Eat Right For Your >>>>> Body Type nonsense [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> mean that is one of the reasons for peer review, right? To cut down >> on the hanky panky with the data? Hi Rev, I really did want your opinion, I wasn't trying to put you on the defensive. I haven't done any research on it to see if there have been any peer reviews and all that myself, I wouldn't know the first thing to do if I wanted to. 2. Many species of animals have multiple blood types and all eat the >> same diet, and apparently do just fine. Do they really? You know that? I wasn't sure if we knew that or not. I've wondered about that myself. I don't think I'd include cats and dogs and domesticated animals in that equation though since we've messed around with their species so much. >> 3. If his theories were correct, we'd have diseases linked to blood >> type. Nope. According to him, we do. From personal experience everyone that I've known that has had cancer (aside from lung, as he discusses) has been an A. (Like I said, this is just from personal experience, it's not like I've really sat down and researched this as well.) Also, anyone that I've known with rheumatoid arthritis is an A, and everyone that I've encountered who has Osteoarthritis is an O. Chrons Disease is another disease that I've known a few people who have it, funny enough they're all O's. >> 4. Most people are type O, which co-inki-dink, means they get a >> lowcarb diet, so most people will do well on it. Gee whillikers, who >> would have thought? There are plenty of folks here who aren't blood >> type O and are also doing well on lowcarb, and do NOT do well on the >> plan for their blood type. Now why would that be, unless of course, >> that his theories don't pan out? I read the book a while back (few years) and when I read it, it did make sense to me as I was putting all the pieces together. His father is actually the one who started all this stuff about blood typing back in his day when he was running a cancer clinic. Yes type O is the most common blood type, and isn't funny how we North Americans have blown up and gotten so fat when changing our woe for the last few decades. I'm an O and my sister is an A. She thrives on a vegetarian diet and is at her healthiest when she follows that woe. Especially when she takes it as far as macrobiotic. I've never seen her more vibrant. I'm the opposite, I kept gaining weight. It certainly wasn't for me. I also know that I would be doing a whole lot better on low carbing if I quit dairy, which would make it a perfect O diet. Remember that type A's also should not be eating refined foods and refined wheats, that's not just an O thing. Some fish and poultry is also fine for an A. It's red meat that requires lots of stomach acid to digest, which A's don't have as opposed to O's. A couple of years ago, before I began low carbing, I used to hang out on his message board where people were adhering to that woe, many had been doing so long term. That is research enough for me. I'm not willing to dismiss his work yet, even though about the peer review thing. Lots of people thought Atkins was just as whacked 30 years ago. We all know that low carbing isn't for everybody. If the people who say it doesn't work for them, and if they're being honest about the fact that they're doing it according to the book, I see no harm in checking their blood type and seeing if that woe fits better for them or not. I'd find that interesting. That's my take on it, and I don't mind other opinions either. Thanks, Monica Signature______________________________________ Started 01/20/04 362/330.6/250 ______________________________________ "First do no harm." - Hippocrates TavliGal burbled across the ether: >>> TavliGal burbled across the ether: >>>> revek wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > been any peer reviews and all that myself, I wouldn't know the first > thing to do if I wanted to. S'ok. Sometimes it's hard for me to tell if my post is abrupt. My excuse is that I was tired. I get abrupt sounding when I'm tired. Doesn't mean anything. Trust me, you'll know when I'm peeved. :) > 2. Many species of animals have multiple blood types and all eat the >>> same diet, and apparently do just fine. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > According to him, we do. Yeah, well, funny how nobody else has noticed this. And when brought to their attention with a book and all, still nobody has noticed any correlation. From personal experience everyone that I've > known that has had cancer (aside from lung, as he discusses) has been > an A. (Like I said, this is just from personal experience, it's not [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Americans have blown up and gotten so fat when changing our woe for > the last few decades. Type O is universally the most common, not just in North America. > I'm an O and my sister is an A. She thrives on a vegetarian diet and > is at her healthiest when she follows that woe. Especially when she [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > willing to dismiss his work yet, even though about the peer review > thing. S'ok by me. But I want the data. Lots of people thought Atkins was just as whacked 30 years > ago. We all know that low carbing isn't for everybody. If the > people who say it doesn't work for them, and if they're being honest [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's my take on it, and I don't mind other opinions either. > Thanks, Monica Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please People who like to listen to Frank Sinatra die of heart attack and cancer at far higher rates than people who like to listen to Britney Spears. Therefore, there is a link between the music of Frank Sinatra and heart disease and cancer. --Tony Lew >> TavliGal burbled across the ether: >>> revek wrote: >>>>> TavliGal burbled across the ether: >>>>>> revek wrote: >> >> Type O is universally the most common, not just in North America. Of course I realize that, but the rest of the world hasn't caught up with our eating habits, and it shows. We're the fattest on the planet supersizing everything. Monica Signature______________________________________ Started 01/20/04 362/330.6/250 ______________________________________ "First do no harm." - Hippocrates > >> TavliGal burbled across the ether: > >>> revek wrote: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > requires lots of stomach acid to digest, which A's don't have as opposed to > O's. If you'd like, you can take a blood sample, have it tested to verify that I am indeed a type A, and then feed me red meat as my sole protein source for as long as you'd like. I'll be fine. Naturally, I'd like more variety in my vegetables. This A digests red meat just fine. And I seriously doubt that I'm lacking in stomach acid. > A couple of years ago, before I began low carbing, I used to hang out on his > message board where people were adhering to that woe, many had been doing so [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > better for them or not. I'd find that interesting. > That's my take on it, and I don't mind other opinions either. Sure, but you could check their astrological sign and choose a way of eating based on that as well. And, for some people it might well work. Martha, science is fun. SignatureBegin where you are - but don't end there. Is this what you mean by peer reviews? http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/citations/citation-kb.htm >> TavliGal burbled across the ether: >>> revek wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> By doing just a little every day, I can gradually let the task >> completely overwhelm me. - Ashleigh Brilliant Signature______________________________________ Started 01/20/04 362/330.6/250 ______________________________________ "First do no harm." - Hippocrates TavliGal burbled across the ether: > Is this what you mean by peer reviews? > http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/citations/citation-kb.htm Thankyou. Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please "Jack sh.t? Yes, I know him. He lives next door." revek burbled across the ether: > TavliGal burbled across the ether: >> Is this what you mean by peer reviews? >> http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/citations/citation-kb.htm From my perusal, the first citation is an article discussing how one researcher has given the theory an overview and it *seems* to be based in scientific principles, and the parts that are should be implemented, but that a lot is vague and there should be trials. No data. The second citation is the good Doctor himself proposing within an article to use "Lewis typing which might help identify subpopulations of individuals genetically prone to insulin resistance, autoimmunity, and heart disease." This article is designed to created discussion amongst others in the field (get them interested enough to do their own trials kind of thing). No data. Third and fourth citations are mere explanations of what the book/theory entails. They read like book ads. No data. None of the above citations are actual clinical studies. There is no data to chew. Without data, the hypothesis can't go anywhere-- neither proven true or false. Peer review is (supposedly) about checking the clinical data, and re-running the trials yourself to see if you can get the same results. If the results can be repeatedly predicted, then you have something worth persuing, scientifically speaking. While it is good that discussion is perhaps being generated, until we get data, that is all it is- discussion. Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are bastards'. - Rincewind Expaining Twoflower, Terry Pratchett, The Color Of Magic >1. His theories haven't been backed up by any *peer reviewed* research. >All research published is done so by him, so all raw data remains in his >hands alone. Kind of suspicious, if you ask me. I mean that is one of >the reasons for peer review, right? To cut down on the hanky panky with >the data? When did atkins get any peer reviewed, double blind studies done? Your Pal, Sleepy --------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld --------------------------------- Sleepyman burbled across the ether: >> 1. His theories haven't been backed up by any *peer reviewed* >> research. All research published is done so by him, so all raw data [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > When did atkins get any peer reviewed, double blind studies done? Actually, the relevant studies have been done all along, they've just been buried in the literature and not talked about. Thirty year old studies suggesting carbohydrate/insulin in the role of fat storage don't play well against the lowfat meme. Atkins didn't pull this stuff out of his a.s, you know. He got the idea from the studies in the literature of the time. I could go on about how he tried to get funding from the usual sources but couldn't because of lowfat bias, and then when he funded the studies himself got yelled at for bias. Can't win for losing. But since you're a troll you don't really care about the truth. www.lowcarbresearch.org/results.asp Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please It was all very well going on about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact of the matter was that the disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists' houses and smashing their windows. - Terry Pratchet, The Color Of Magic >Sleepyman burbled across the ether: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >www.lowcarbresearch.org/results.asp The truth? you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the a.s. I saw your boy on a panel discussion with real honest to goodness scientists with advanced degrees, about two years ago. They asked him why there had been no studies done on his diet. He said with a straight face, that he didn't have the money. He was just about laughed off the stage. With all the heat he has taken, why would these "studies" stay buried? Why were they never brought up when he was asked by his (ahem) peers? Face it. he was a hack non board certified cardiologist, who couldn't cut it, then tried to jump on the "natural medicine" route, and then went on to supplement scamming. If thinking your boy was nothing but a charlatan, makes me a troll, then call me a troll. Doesn't bother me the least. At least I know the truth and haven't swallowed "buried in literature" bullshit. Your Pal, Sleepy --------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld --------------------------------- Sleepyman burbled across the ether: At least I know the truth and haven't > swallowed "buried in literature" bullshit. At least I don't have to cross over to a newsgroup where I'm not wanted to get attention. Sad for you. Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please "Barry also was quick to point out that the Titanium uses torque screws as opposed to Phillips screws. We're not sure why this matters even a little bit, but Barry sure seemed to think it was interesting. That's why Mac geeks scare us." -ZDNet review of the Powerbook G4 Titanium >Sleepyman burbled across the ether: > At least I know the truth and haven't >> swallowed "buried in literature" bullshit. > >At least I don't have to cross over to a newsgroup where I'm not wanted >to get attention. Sad for you. Firstly I haven't crossposted anything, and if you were bright enough, you would know that by checking the headers instead of making stupid unsubstantiated claims, just like your boy did, before his own diet probably killed him. Instead of having a legitimate reply to my post you have to try to resort to insults. Who is the sad one here? Look in the mirror. I may not be wanted by pod people such as yourself, but I sure am needed. Your Pal, Sleepy --------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld --------------------------------- >> Sleepyman burbled across the ether: >> At least I know the truth and haven't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you would know that by checking the headers instead of making stupid > unsubstantiated claims, Don't read for comprehension much, do you? I said cross over. Not crosspost. But then English isn't your first language. Village idiot is. just like your boy did, before his own diet > probably killed him. Unsubstantiated claim. > Instead of having a legitimate reply to my post you have to try to > resort to insults. Your post isn't legitimate. It's an attack. Not worth the effort to educate you, twit. -- revek Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. >> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:53:04 -0600, "revek" ><pphillps1962@hotmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >crosspost. But then English isn't your first language. Village idiot >is. Yup, I misread that. However the subject of this group is important to me as a diabetic, so I don't see how I am crossing over. >just like your boy did, before his own diet >> probably killed him. > >Unsubstantiated claim. Unsubstantiated it is, that is why I used the word "probably". Seems you have some reading comprehension problems yourself. >> Instead of having a legitimate reply to my post you have to try to >> resort to insults. > >Your post isn't legitimate. It's an attack. Not worth the effort to >educate you, twit. Again no response. The "hidden studies" sound like the basis for the Book of Mormon. Twit? You hurt my feeling.............. Your Pal, Sleepy --------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld --------------------------------- > I sure am needed delusions of grandeur much? >> I sure am needed > >delusions of grandeur much? I'm disappointed, you can't do better than that? You forgot your gutter language in this post, what happened? Your Pal, Sleepy --------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld --------------------------------- >Firstly I haven't crossposted anything, and if you were bright enough, >you would know that by checking the headers instead of making stupid [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Sleepy Showed your true colors, haven't you? Troll. Not wanted nor needed. Yvonne In news:20040315220533.01740.00001560@mb-m22.aol.com, Cailleachschilde <cailleachschilde@aol.combyteme> coded for transmition to space: > Showed your true colors, haven't you? Troll. Not wanted nor needed. He announced who he was and why he was here in his intro post: Howdy Lowcarbers! Which is why I didn't make the effort to be civil. I've got the sad git kf'ed now along with that other wannabe I've been trading insults with lately. I have a life, even if they don't. -- revek In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams >In news:20040315220533.01740.00001560@mb-m22.aol.com, >Cailleachschilde <cailleachschilde@aol.combyteme> coded for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I've got the sad git kf'ed now along with that other wannabe I've been >trading insults with lately. I have a life, even if they don't. Is that the fellow who is diabetic and smokes and should be low carbing? If it is, he must be bored. He's always been a bit grumpy, but trolling is a new low for him. -- Jean M. New food of the week: Ice water. Lots of it. (The jalapeño peppers are very hot!) Do away with flipfloping to e-mail. Jean M. burbled across the ether: > Is that the fellow who is diabetic and smokes and should be low > carbing? If it is, he must be bored. He's always been a bit grumpy, > but trolling is a new low for him. I dunno that much about him. The only thing that he's shared that I'm aware of is that he's diabetic, and hates both Bernstien and Atkins, and thinks we're all pod people because we don't kiss his a.s. Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please "GAH. That noise you're hearing is my eyeballs rolling so far back into my skull as to make a complete circuit." -Darren MacLennan >Is that the fellow who is diabetic and smokes and should be low >carbing? If it is, he must be bored. He's always been a bit grumpy, >but trolling is a new low for him. > >-- >Jean M. Yup, I am a grumpy smoker, won't deny that. However I *do* low carb. I am just not a part of the LC Taliban pack that thinks they are in charge here. I do it my way, which works, and I have the numbers (other than GD Trigs) to prove it. You Pal, Sleepy --------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld --------------------------------- > In news:20040315220533.01740.00001560@mb-m22.aol.com, > Cailleachschilde <cailleachschilde@aol.combyteme> coded for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I've got the sad git kf'ed now along with that other wannabe I've been > trading insults with lately. I have a life, even if they don't. Nice 'ere innit? ;-) >> In news:20040315220533.01740.00001560@mb-m22.aol.com, >> Cailleachschilde <cailleachschilde@aol.combyteme> coded for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Nice 'ere innit? ;-) Full of nice *open minded* people...........LOL Sleepy --------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld --------------------------------- >In news:20040315220533.01740.00001560@mb-m22.aol.com, >Cailleachschilde <cailleachschilde@aol.combyteme> coded for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I've got the sad git kf'ed now along with that other wannabe I've been >trading insults with lately. I have a life, even if they don't. Gee, I'm gonna miss ya! Ya right......... Your Pal, Sleepy --------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld --------------------------------- Revek, That's great about your sister. Make sure you do the 'told ya so' dance that goes with the told ya so song (burns calories). Yvonne Cailleachschilde burbled across the ether: > Revek, > > That's great about your sister. Make sure you do the 'told ya so' > dance that goes with the told ya so song (burns calories). > > Yvonne LOL. Thanks. <g> Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please Q. How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb? A. FISH! What? you don't get it?? Then I guess surrealism isn't your cup of fur. >>Firstly I haven't crossposted anything, and if you were bright enough, >>you would know that by checking the headers instead of making stupid [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Yvonne My true colors have never been hidden. I guess if you are not part of the pack mentality, then you are a troll eh? Well then I am glad to be considered a troll by the pack then. Your Pal, Sleepy --------------------------------- The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld --------------------------------- > I just got off the phone with my sister.... you know, the one that > refused to even try lowcarb. The one that kept offering me special k [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > about 'not saying I told ya so' but she said 'after the fifth time it is > TOO an I told ya so'. We both laughed about it. That's great news! I'm sure she'll appreciate your support and experience a great deal. Glad you can joke about it rather than her resenting it. cheers Rachel (New Zealand) > Only trouble is, her doctor has fallen for the Eat Right For Your Body > Type nonsense Find a new doctor. That diet isn't based on any science at all. |
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