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Weight Loss Forum / Low Carb / March 2004Psyllium fiber question
Happy Sunday, all: Quick question. Per my doctor's advice (she is VERY pro-Atkins, has done quite a bit of research on this way of eating, and lost quite a bit of weight on it herself!), I am taking 1 tsp of Konsyl (psyllium husks) every other day. At the same time, I'm just off induction about a week ago, gently adding in carbs in an effort to work up to my optimum carb level. My question: Should I deduct the 5 gr of dietary fiber (4 gr soluble fiber) from my total carbs each day I take the psyllium? Yes, it tastes terrible. Yes, I know some veggies can have the same effect. I choose to follow doctor's orders for now. :) Thanks in advance for any help. Joan J Atkins since 01/24/04 250/221/??? :: Happy Sunday, all: :: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: dietary fiber (4 gr soluble fiber) from my total carbs each day I :: take the psyllium? I don't even count psyllium, and never have. :: Yes, it tastes terrible. Why deal with that? Buy psyllium in capsule form. That's how I get mine...no taste.. Yes, I know some veggies can have the same :: effect. I choose to follow doctor's orders for now. :) Fiber is fiber, as long as you get it, what the matter? Broccoli, spinach, caulifower, and others are all things you can add more of in your OWL phase, and you don't need to count the fiber in these in your net carbs. I *knew* someone was going to say "just eat your veggies"... but again, this is my doctor's advice and at this time I choose to follow her advise. FYI, her statement was that of the research she's done on Atkins WOE, and of her experience with her own patients, the only recurring medical problem she has seen or read of is that Atkins folks have a higher tendency to develop polyps, and her recommendation is for the psyllium husks every other day as a preventive measure. I'm 52. She might not be making this recommendation for 20 year olds... I do like the suggestion of the capsule form of psyllium! I'll switch over once I get through this $15 container... can't just throw it away, unfortunately. Joan J > :: Happy Sunday, all: > :: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > caulifower, and others are all things you can add more of in your OWL phase, > and you don't need to count the fiber in these in your net carbs. :: I *knew* someone was going to say "just eat your veggies"... but :: again, this is my doctor's advice and at this time I choose to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: preventive measure. I'm 52. She might not be making this :: recommendation for 20 year olds... You still should eat your veggies....FYI, I eat my veggies and take psyllium everyday. I have diverticulosis. My comment about the veggies is based on your stated (and others, mind you) dislike of the taste of psyllium. Aside from fiber, there are other reasons to eat veggies. BTW, I wasn't suggesting that you not follow her advice....but I'd bet if you pressed her, she'd have to admit that there's nothing special about psyllium. It is better to make sure you understand the reasons behind her suggestions...that way, you have more options for see about your health. As for your bulk stuff, have to tried mixing it with other stuff? For example, mix it with protein powder and make a shake, mix with with protein powder, sour cream, splenda, for something like pudding. Sprinkle it on salad, etc. The possibilities are endless. :: I do like the suggestion of the capsule form of psyllium! I'll :: switch over once I get through this $15 container... can't just [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] ::: in your OWL phase, and you don't need to count the fiber in these ::: in your net carbs. >I *knew* someone was going to say "just eat your veggies"... but again, this >is my doctor's advice and at this time I choose to follow her advise. FYI, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >a preventive measure. I'm 52. She might not be making this recommendation >for 20 year olds... Your doctor advised you to take psyllium instead of eating veggies, not in addition to? Am I reading this correctly? LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/222/140 & hubby- 310/242/180 Absolutely not. She advised me to follow the Atkins diet (which, obviously, includes veggies) PLUS use the psyllium husks every other day. In addition to, not instead of :) Joan J > >I *knew* someone was going to say "just eat your veggies"... but again, this > >is my doctor's advice and at this time I choose to follow her advise. FYI, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Me- 265/222/140 > & hubby- 310/242/180 >Absolutely not. She advised me to follow the Atkins diet (which, obviously, >includes veggies) PLUS use the psyllium husks every other day. In addition >to, not instead of :) > >Joan J Oh, OK. So then you're eating your veggies as Atkins says to, and there shouldn't be a problem. Why are people telling you to eat more? LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/222/140 & hubby- 310/242/180 ::: Absolutely not. She advised me to follow the Atkins diet (which, ::: obviously, includes veggies) PLUS use the psyllium husks every [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: Oh, OK. So then you're eating your veggies as Atkins says to, and :: there shouldn't be a problem. Why are people telling you to eat more? Did you read the thread? >:: Oh, OK. So then you're eating your veggies as Atkins says to, and >:: there shouldn't be a problem. Why are people telling you to eat more? > >Did you read the thread? Yes, but it's confusing. Why would people tell somebody who IS eating veggies to eat veggies? LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/222/140 & hubby- 310/242/180 ::::: Oh, OK. So then you're eating your veggies as Atkins says to, and ::::: there shouldn't be a problem. Why are people telling you to eat [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: Yes, but it's confusing. Why would people tell somebody who IS :: eating veggies to eat veggies? Because it was not clear said person is eating veggies, as they are a source of fiber... e.g. :: Yes, it tastes terrible. Yes, I know some veggies can have the same effect. How are we supposed to know what someone is eating if they don't say so specifically? Just saying you're doing Atkins is not the same thing as saying you're eating veggies. :: LCing since 12/01/03- :: Me- 265/222/140 :: & hubby- 310/242/180 Do the loose powder and the capsules have similar efficacy? I use a lot more psyllium powder. volume-wise, than it would seem possible to contain in one capsule. S. :: Do the loose powder and the capsules have similar efficacy? I use a :: lot more psyllium powder. volume-wise, than it would seem possible to :: contain in one capsule. I take 4 capsules daily. in GW_4c.14163$8G2.7380@fe3.columbus.rr.com Joan J. posted: > My question: Should I deduct the 5 gr of > dietary fiber (4 gr soluble fiber) from my total carbs each day I > take the psyllium? No! The deduction of fiber is per food item only. The "net carbs" subtraction allows you to count only how much of the carbs in a given item is the type that is going to affect your system. Adding more fiber to a food does not *negate* the other carbs.  SignatureStephen S. 331 / 280 / 220 <- as of 12 Mar. 04 LC since 28 Sept. 03 5' 11" http://dragonfen.com/diet -------------------------------- > in GW_4c.14163$8G2.7380@fe3.columbus.rr.com Joan J. posted: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > item is the type that is going to affect your system. Adding more fiber > to a food does not *negate* the other carbs. I can see where that could be read either way - but what I think what she's asking is can she not add the fiber carbs towards her daily total (for example, not count 25g for the day if she's eaten 20g carbs and has also taken the fiber), rather than can she subtract it from other carbs she's eaten during the day. And the answer to that would be yes, she doesn't have to count the fiber grams towards her daily total. Stargazer burbled across the ether: >> in GW_4c.14163$8G2.7380@fe3.columbus.rr.com Joan J. posted: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > would be yes, she doesn't have to count the fiber grams towards her > daily total. Only if she added them to her daily total in the first place. I bet she doesn't. Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please "Religion is for those who fear going to hell. Spirituality is for those who've been there."-Unknown >My >question: Should I deduct the 5 gr of dietary fiber (4 gr soluble fiber) >from my total carbs each day I take the psyllium? Hmm... You add five grams of fiber carbs in, but subtract them again because they're, well, fiber. Doesn't sound like an issue to me. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 265/222/140 & hubby- 310/242/180 Ahhhhhhhhh.... now it makes sense!!! (DUH me!) The container states: Calories (Available) 3 Carbohydrates (Available) .05g Dietary Fiber 5g Soluble Fiber 4g I was thinking it was .05 g carbs MINUS the 5g fiber - which would minus me 4.5 carbs. But I was missing the "available" word -- apparently they've already minus'd the fiber before the carb count. Is that correct? If so, like you say, fiber carbs in, fiber carbs out! BTW - what's the difference between dietary fiber and soluble fiber? And how is each deducted from total carbs? Thanks for all this help!! Joan J > >My > >question: Should I deduct the 5 gr of dietary fiber (4 gr soluble fiber) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Me- 265/222/140 > & hubby- 310/242/180 Joan J. burbled across the ether: > Ahhhhhhhhh.... now it makes sense!!! (DUH me!) The container states: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > minus me > 4.5 carbs. A physical impossibility. :) But I was missing the "available" word -- apparently > they've already minus'd the fiber before the carb count. Is that > correct? If so, like you say, fiber carbs in, fiber carbs out! Yep. > BTW - what's the difference between dietary fiber and soluble fiber? > And how is each deducted from total carbs? Dietary fiber is insoluable fiber. It can't be digested at all by humans (unless you have a second stomach lying around and can chew the cud). Zero calories, zero blood sugar impact. Soluable fiber can be partially digested. It can give *up to* 2 grams of carb I think for those who have the proper bacteria/enzymes in their gut (plus a few trace nutrients). However, the soluable fiber count is usually *far* less than the dietary fiber, so counting it would be overly anal and not worth your time. Treat it like dietary fiber. For instance, the three calories in the label above can come from either ther half carbohydrate or the soluable fiber or a combination of both. It doesn't matter, really. Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please Never underestimate the stupidity of the general public. Psyllium is a great "full feeling" product and great for your digestive tract's health. Here's a great recipe. Mix a tablespoon of powered psyllium husk in water. Add one or two ounces of pure lemon juice... the kind that's in a green bottle and zero carbs. Then add Splenda to make it sweet to your taste. It's just like lemonade but no carbs. > Happy Sunday, all: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Atkins since 01/24/04 > 250/221/??? Joan J. burbled across the ether: > Happy Sunday, all: I am taking 1 tsp of Konsyl (psyllium > husks) every other day. At the same time, I'm just off induction > about a week ago, gently adding in carbs in an effort to work up to > my optimum carb level. My question: Should I deduct the 5 gr of > dietary fiber (4 gr soluble fiber) from my total carbs each day I > take the psyllium? Nope. Fiber is a carb. Just not one humans can use. You can't add a carb to your diet and make it cancel out some other carb. Sorry. Just ignore it, since we don't process it at all. Signaturerevek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking. > Happy Sunday, all: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > question: Should I deduct the 5 gr of dietary fiber (4 gr soluble fiber) > from my total carbs each day I take the psyllium? I don't see why. Eating fiber doesn't cancel out carbs you get from other sources. Neither does it add to the net carbs you eat in a day. So if you are computing 20 g net carbs from your other sources, then 20 g net carbs + 5 g fiber is still 20 g net carbs. Unless I have misunderstood your question. carla |
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