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James Adkins - 14 Mar 2004 20:03 GMT
Hello,

Let me start by describing a few of the symptoms. This may sound like an
exaggeration or some kind of troll, but I assure you it is not. I am
actually trying to find a reason to continue this diet. I am desperate.

I have been on Induction since Monday 3/8/04. The first two days were OK.
Then, I started to be sweaty and cold at the same time. My hands were
shaking. I was dizzy. My heart was racing. A friend of mine and my mother
both told me I was slurring my speech. I couldn't concentrate long enough to
find a program in the TV Guide. A trip from the couch to the bathroom and
back left me out of breath and my leg muscles burning. Staying awake at work
has been a real challenge. So, feeling like a complete failure yet again, I
made a trip down the road to Taco Bell and ordered one of their Chicken
Grilled Stuffed Burritos and a large Pepsi. If I had been pulled over I
probably would have been arrested for DUI.  About half an hour after eating
it I started to get my brain back and my heart stopped racing. I went to bed
last night feeling like a failure, but not like I had the flu.

Determined to get back up on the horse immediately, this morning for
breakfast I had about half of a hard boiled egg (it's all I could eat, the
smell of it started to make me sick). For lunch I had a small salad. The
problem is that I can already feel the knot in my stomach returning and my
head growing cloudy. I simply can't repeat last week.

I have lost 14.6 pounds since Monday. Even after the trip to Taco Bell, I
weighed a pound less this morning than I did yesterday morning. So I
obviously can't say the diet doesn't work. I am 5'10" and weighed 273.4
pounds when I started, so I desperately need to lose weight. The past week
has really scared me, though. I can't ever remember feeling that bad.

I use FitDay and according to it my net carbs per day has averaged 13 grams
and total carbs have averaged 18. I have followed Atkins' book to the
letter. What am I doing wrong? How do I do this and not feel like I am at
death's door for the next 9 months?

James
273.4/258.8/175
Started 3/8/04
JC Der Koenig - 14 Mar 2004 20:25 GMT
Bwahahahaha!

Signature

Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> Hello,
>
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> 273.4/258.8/175
> Started 3/8/04
Jean M. - 14 Mar 2004 20:38 GMT
>Hello,
>
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>273.4/258.8/175
>Started 3/8/04

Hi, James. The first thing I would check would be blood sugar. Does
anyone around you have a meter you could use? If not, Walmart has a
Relion brand that is fairly cheep. Anyway, if you can check your blood
sugar when you are feeling woosie, you might find that it is running
low. If it's normal, check it after meals and see if it is high.
Sometimes after having high blood sugars for a long time, getting to
normal levels feels like a low. It did for me, anyway.

Good luck. I hope you figure it out. That's no way to feel.

--  
Jean M.
New food of the week: black olives.

Do away with flipfloping to e-mail.
James Adkins - 14 Mar 2004 22:25 GMT
> Hi, James. The first thing I would check would be blood sugar. Does
> anyone around you have a meter you could use? If not, Walmart has a
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>
> Good luck. I hope you figure it out. That's no way to feel.

My blood sugar has never been high. My blood pressure has, though. I have
access to a tester ( my dad is diabetic), but I haven't tested it while on
the diet. I will start, though. That could be it. If it is, how do I raise
it without eating something sweet?

James
Jean M. - 15 Mar 2004 00:38 GMT
>My blood sugar has never been high. My blood pressure has, though. I have
>access to a tester ( my dad is diabetic), but I haven't tested it while on
>the diet. I will start, though. That could be it. If it is, how do I raise
>it without eating something sweet?
>
>James

Good question. If you eat enough of anything, it will turn to glucose.
I don't know how you'd raise it quickly without eating carbs. Jenny?
Anyone with more knowledge than me (that includes most everyone!)?

The only lows I've had, I treated with sugared cola. The lows suck. My
were medication induced. I hope hypoglycemia isn't what you are
dealing with. Let us know how it goes.

--  
Jean M.
New food of the week: black olives.

Do away with flipfloping to e-mail.
Cubit - 14 Mar 2004 21:34 GMT
With the name James *Adkins* it is hard to take you seriously.

If you are a troll, I would say you need better crack....

If real, I suspect your calories are too low.  Do you have lots of nice fat
in your diet?  How many calories does FitDay say you are having per day?

Cubit

> Hello,
>
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> 273.4/258.8/175
> Started 3/8/04
James Adkins - 14 Mar 2004 22:21 GMT
> With the name James *Adkins* it is hard to take you seriously.

No one ever thought it was funny before.  But I know what you mean.

> If you are a troll, I would say you need better crack....
>
> If real, I suspect your calories are too low.  Do you have lots of nice fat
> in your diet?  How many calories does FitDay say you are having per day?

Average of 1198 per day. I have eaten steak, chicken, eggs, bacon, ham,
broccoli, spinich, and the occasional small salad. Just not alot of it. My
appetite is gone.

Fat averages 70 grams a day. Don't know if that is high or low.

> Cubit
miette - 14 Mar 2004 22:30 GMT
> Fat averages 70 grams a day. Don't know if that is high or low.

My fat was in the triple digits during induction. My ratios were around 65-
70 percent fat, 25-30 percent protein and the rest were allowed carbs. I
got into ketosis easily.

IMO, 1198 cals is far too low for you. You can easily double that and still
lose weight. You'd most likely feel better as well.

~miette
Cubit - 15 Mar 2004 00:06 GMT
The numbers you are reporting sound great to me.  There is a transition the
body is making during the first two weeks.  Your problems might go away on
their own.  If not, I guess you could check in with your doctor.  Hopefully
he is Atkins friendly.

While my goal is 1600 calories per day, I have often had 1000 or 1200
calorie days.  It works for me....

Cubit

> > With the name James *Adkins* it is hard to take you seriously.
>
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>
> > Cubit
James Adkins - 14 Mar 2004 22:35 GMT
> With the name James *Adkins* it is hard to take you seriously.

No one ever thought it was funny before.  But I know what you mean.

> If you are a troll, I would say you need better crack....
>
> If real, I suspect your calories are too low.  Do you have lots of nice fat
> in your diet?  How many calories does FitDay say you are having per day?

Average of 1198 per day. I have eaten steak, chicken, eggs, bacon, ham,
broccoli, spinich, and the occasional small salad. Just not alot of it. My
appetite is gone.

Fat averages 70 grams a day. Don't know if that is high or low.

> Cubit
miette - 14 Mar 2004 22:08 GMT
Go to the doctor and get a checkup before starting any new way of eating.
If you get a green light from the doctor (and you aren't a troll), then you
simply need to eat more. Instead of having taco bell you should have eaten
some protein, fat and LC vegetables. Drink water and take your vitamins.
The withdrawals pass, but if you give into them by eating high carbs and/or
sugar you'll be defeating the purpose of induction and never get over that
hump.

I know the withdrawals are tough as I have blood sugar issues myself
(reactive hypo), but they certainly go away. You need to plan and keep
plenty of induction foods on-hand.

~miette
Sseaott - 14 Mar 2004 22:11 GMT
I had the same problem and I still have it every once in a while.  Today is
the last day of the second week for me and I weigh in again Monday morning.
Last monday when I got on the scales, I had lost 12.3 pounds and 2 1/2
inches off my body, it totally turned me out!  I got blood work done just to
make sure everything was OK and everything is fine, in fact my cholesterol
levels are excellent at 174 and my dr. couldn't be more happy for me.  He
told me the dizzy spells, feeling like your going to pass out etc, usually
means your not eating enough greens and possibly protein.  Also, some people
on Atkins need to eat more then 3 meals a day to keep themselves from
feeling like this, for instance for breakfast if you have eggs and bacon,
eat the eggs first, then a few hours later eat your bacon.  Start out with
breakfast first and then eat lunch and dinner as u usually do and see if
that brakes the cycle, if not, then the next day, split breakfast up into 2
parts, and lunch in 2 parts, etc...  The breakfast split seemed to work for
me perfectly.  My friend who did Atkins last year only lost 4 pounds the
first week, so when I weighed in last Monday and dropped 12.3 pounds I
couldn't believe it, I blew him out of the water.  Now I read your thingie
and you beat me by like 2 pounds, it's amazing, isn't it?  :)  What you lost
this week should only push you to continue this, come the end of the summer,
you should be about ready to be hired of A&F!  Seriously, that is exactly
how my friend looks now, it took him 6 months to lose exactly what you and I
STARTED with when we started the diet, although I am 6'1" and you are only
5'10".  If anyone on here tells you not to do induction for longer then 2
weeks, put them on your kill file list and ignore them, because they are
telling lies and they are just out to ruin everyone elses self esteem.  A
good one to put on your kill file list NOW is "JC Der Koenig"  As you can
tell by his/her response, 'it's' nothing short of a troll!  Then I remember
some idiot posting about how I was excited when I took my ketose test
because it was all dark purple, trying to make me believe that had nothing
to do with fat burning, yet if anyone can read, it says right on the net
what they are used for with Atkins and hey, look at my results...yet I
wasn't in fat burning...LMAO, thats another one to block as well!

Good luck and keep going, don't stop!
> Hello,
>
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> 273.4/258.8/175
> Started 3/8/04
James Adkins - 14 Mar 2004 23:05 GMT
> I had the same problem and I still have it every once in a while.  Today is
> the last day of the second week for me and I weigh in again Monday morning.
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>
> Good luck and keep going, don't stop!

Thank you for the encouragement, Sseaott. Good job, yourself, too!

This diet is amazing. I never expected to lose this much weight this fast. I
know it works better for some than for others, but, given my past history, I
expected to be more like your friend. If I felt good, I'd be yelling from
the rooftops. It certianly makes me want to figure out what's going on so I
can stick with it.

I'll try the split meals. Good idea.

Thanks,

James
Cheri - 14 Mar 2004 23:34 GMT
Two weeks into it, and you're calling someone who told you a fact an
idiot? It could be dietary fat making the stick dark purple, as well as
ketosis.The thing is, some people complain that they're not losing even
though the sticks are purple and can't figure out why. The person that
you're calling an idiot was just pointing that out to you, and no, it
wasn't me. BTW, I lost 35 pounds and never once turned a stick pink. :-)

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

>> some idiot posting about how I was excited when I took my ketose test
>> because it was all dark purple, trying to make me believe that had nothing
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>
>James
Sleepyman - 15 Mar 2004 22:40 GMT
>Two weeks into it, and you're calling someone who told you a fact an
>idiot? It could be dietary fat making the stick dark purple, as well as
>ketosis.The thing is, some people complain that they're not losing even
>though the sticks are purple and can't figure out why. The person that
>you're calling an idiot was just pointing that out to you, and no, it
>wasn't me. BTW, I lost 35 pounds and never once turned a stick pink. :-)

I know you don't like we "pinkos", but you won't even turn a stick
pink? Ya fascist bastard you.

Sleepy

---------------------------------
    The True Axis of Evil
Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
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Cheri - 16 Mar 2004 00:31 GMT
I am LMAO Sleepy. Good to see you posting here. :-)

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

Sleepyman wrote in message ...

>I know you don't like we "pinkos", but you won't even turn a stick
>pink? Ya fascist bastard you.
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>Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
>---------------------------------
FOB - 15 Mar 2004 00:44 GMT
Two weeks and you're an expert!  Don't expect any sympathy when your loss
slows way down or stalls as it is bound to do.

In news:S_GdnSszrLoGV8ndRVn-tA@comcast.com,
Sseaott <SseaottAThotmailDOTcom> stated
| I had the same problem and I still have it every once in a while.
| Today is the last day of the second week for me and I weigh in again
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|| 273.4/258.8/175
|| Started 3/8/04
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 15 Mar 2004 02:51 GMT
> As you can tell by his/her response, 'it's' nothing short of a troll!
> Then I remember some idiot posting about how I was excited when I took my
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> results...yet I wasn't in fat burning...LMAO, thats another one to block
> as well!

i said that it doesn't have anything to do with weight loss, not fat
burning.

and i'm right.
Supergoof - 15 Mar 2004 05:28 GMT
> Then, I started to be sweaty and cold at the same time. My hands were
> shaking. I was dizzy. My heart was racing. A friend of mine and my mother
> both told me I was slurring my speech. I couldn't concentrate long enough to
> find a program in the TV Guide. A trip from the couch to the bathroom and
> back left me out of breath and my leg muscles burning. Staying awake at work
> has been a real challenge.

Some people need slightly higher carbs than others - try upping your carbs a
little - maybe aim for 40g per day and see if that helps - then if you feel
okay you might be able to drop them back down a bit and see how you feel,
until you find the right level for you.

You haven't failed!

cheers
Rachel
(New Zealand)
marengo - 15 Mar 2004 06:35 GMT
| Hello,
|
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| to find a program in the TV Guide. A trip from the couch to the bathroom
| and back left me out of breath and my leg muscles burning.

Please get your blood sugar checked (fasting blood glucose) ; this sounds
very much like hypolycemic symptoms. That observation is reinforced by the
fact that you felt better after ingesing sugar.  Low-carb eating can have a
wonderful effect on stabilizing blood sugars; but you need to know if you
might be hypoclycemic, diabetic or pre-diabetic.  Please go to a doctor and
get it checked out asap.
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website:  http://users.thelink.net/marengo

Saffire - 15 Mar 2004 09:14 GMT
> I have been on Induction since Monday 3/8/04. The first two days were OK.
> Then, I started to be sweaty and cold at the same time. My hands were
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> it I started to get my brain back and my heart stopped racing. I went to bed
> last night feeling like a failure, but not like I had the flu.

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and ask if you've had any long-term
exposure to chemicals such as pesticides.  The reason I ask is because I HAVE had
that.  I lost about 50 lbs in the mid-90s and was sick for most of that time.  I
had set off Combat Roach foggers in the enclosed garage under my apt about once a
week for several months in a row over the course of 3 years and got sicker and
sicker and sicker.  Eventually I became hypersensitive to a multitude of
chemicals and VERY sensitive to scented things.  It really whacked out my
thyroid, too.  I later read that toxins such as pesticides are stored in body
fat.  I was HORRIFIED.  I immediately started eating ONLY organic food and lost
20 lbs simply because there just wasn't that much organic food available.  If I
ever lost more than about 1.5 lbs in a week, I would get some of the same
symptoms because the toxins were being released back into the bloodstream as I
lost the fat.  

My environmental doctor later put me on an anti-micotoxin diet due to systemic
yeast.  THAT was one RESTRICTIVE diet (although I now know it WAS low-carb).  I
could not have any sugar, fruit, dairy (except butter) or anything fermented such
as vinegar.  I pretty much subsisted on vegetables, chicken and turkey (and
vitamins).  I do remember that I COULD have bread, but I didn't eat a lot of it.  
That's when I started using rice bran syrup for sweetener.  I lost another 30 lbs
that way, but MAN did I get sick during the first few days.  I remember having to
stop and lay down between the living room and the bathroom because my energy
would suddenly just drop out from under me.  Part of that might have been due to
die-off of yeast and other fungi since I was also taking Diflucan at the time.  I
had BIG TIME digestive problems and OFTEN got dizzy and would feel like I was
burning up, despite being cold and clammy.  I HAD to go through it, though to get
RID of most of the toxins I was carrying around with me.  

I realize that this is certainly an UNUSUAL case, but you never know -- I'm
certainly not the only person in the world with chemical sensitivities.  I did
NOT experience the same degree of sickness on Induction, though.  I lost energy
for a few days, but that's pretty normal and it was NOTHING like when I was
carrying around all that poison.  

Folks, I don't care HOW safe pesticide companies say their products are:  they
are NOT safe.  

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Saffire
205/166/125  -  5'2.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

James Adkins - 16 Mar 2004 00:21 GMT
> I realize that this is certainly an UNUSUAL case, but you never know -- I'm
> certainly not the only person in the world with chemical sensitivities.  I did
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> Folks, I don't care HOW safe pesticide companies say their products are:  they
> are NOT safe.

No chemical sensitivities that I know of. It's hard to tell what they spray
at work, though.
James Adkins - 16 Mar 2004 00:28 GMT
I did some reading online and I agree that those seem to be textbook
symptoms for hypoglycemia. I have made an appointment with the doctor to
check it out. I'll guess I'll up the carbs, but still avoid starches and
sugars and wait to see what happens.

I'd like to thank everyone who replyed. You have helped me a lot. Since this
is the first time I have had anything like that happen, you may have even
helped me find out about it in enough time to do something.

Thank You.

James
 
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