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Lady o' the house - 14 Mar 2004 15:54 GMT
Anyone here eat plain yogurt?  I bought some Dannons for hubby a few days
ago, and thought I might give it a try, but at 14g of carbs (13g of sugar)
per 1 cup serving I was afraid to try it.  Reading Dana Carpender's "500 Low
Carb Recipes" she mentions that on the 'GO' diet, the theory about yogurt is
that the lactose is converted into lactic acid in the body, and so,
shouldn't be counted.

Now, I know that Dana Carpender is not a nutritionist, and that the Atkins
diet doesn't recommend yogurt until the later phases, but I'm so CONFUSED.
I'm just wondering what you all do about eating yogurt.

TIA,
Linda
Jeri - 14 Mar 2004 16:15 GMT
> Anyone here eat plain yogurt?  I bought some Dannons for hubby a few
> days ago, and thought I might give it a try, but at 14g of carbs (13g
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Atkins diet doesn't recommend yogurt until the later phases, but I'm
> so CONFUSED. I'm just wondering what you all do about eating yogurt.

I eat plain yogurt almost every day. The reason you can count fewer carbs is
that the lactose is converted to lactic acid in the process of making the
yogurt (not in the body) so when you eat it your body never sees most of the
lactose.  http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html
WhansaMi - 14 Mar 2004 17:28 GMT
>> Anyone here eat plain yogurt?  I bought some Dannons for hubby a few
>> days ago, and thought I might give it a try, but at 14g of carbs (13g
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>yogurt (not in the body) so when you eat it your body never sees most of the
>lactose.  http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html

Or, if you have a Trader Joe's around, you can go get some Greek yogurt under
the Fage label.  6 carbs.  I've been mixing it with Torani's sugar free syrups
and its been heaven to have yogurt again!

Sheila
Skinny pre-diabetic hypoglycemic - 15 Mar 2004 02:43 GMT
/snip/

>I eat plain yogurt almost every day. The reason you can count fewer carbs is
>that the lactose is converted to lactic acid in the process of making the
>yogurt (not in the body) so when you eat it your body never sees most of the
>lactose.  http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html

So what does the body do with the lactic acid?

Skinny --
pre-diabetic hypo
revek - 15 Mar 2004 03:18 GMT
Skinny pre-diabetic hypoglycemic  burbled across the ether:

> /snip/
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> So what does the body do with the lactic acid?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid

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Crafting Mom - 14 Mar 2004 17:49 GMT
> Anyone here eat plain yogurt?  I bought some Dannons for hubby a few days
> ago, and thought I might give it a try, but at 14g of carbs (13g of sugar)
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> TIA,
> Linda

PLAIN YOGURT all the way for me.  The ONLY ingredients in the brand
I buy are whole milk and bacterial culture.  Dannon yogurt has an
obscene list of ingredients, the first of which is water, and
artificial colorings up the wazoo.  Go to the dannon web site and
take a look at the list of ingredients, I am not making it up.
It's basically a pudding.  Real yogurt IS yogurt, and doesnt.

Here's a sample of the list of ingredients in the "raspberry &
cream" concoction that they dare to call yogurt.

       Water, ultra-filtered skim milk, cream, raspberry puree, contains less
than 1% of whey protein concentrate, modified corn starch, Kosher gelatin,
natural and artificial flavors, sucralose, potassium sorbate (to maintain
freshness), Red 40, malic acid, Blue 1, sodium citrate. Contains active
yogurt cultures.

CM
emkay - 14 Mar 2004 18:07 GMT
>PLAIN YOGURT all the way for me.  The ONLY ingredients in the brand
>I buy are whole milk and bacterial culture.  Dannon yogurt has an
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>CM

I think that the OP was referring to Dannon Plain Natural yogurt, not the
Dannon LC stuff  (based on the carb count she cited -- 14 g in an 8-oz
serving).  The Dannon Plain Natural's ingredient list is just: "Cultured
grade A milk. Contains active yogurt cultures including L. acidophilus."

See
<http://www.dannon.com/dn/dnstore/cgi-bin/ProdSubEV_Cat_240859_SubCat_241707_NavR
oot_200.htm
>

Em
Jeri - 14 Mar 2004 18:18 GMT
> PLAIN YOGURT all the way for me.  The ONLY ingredients in the brand
> I buy are whole milk and bacterial culture.  Dannon yogurt has an
> obscene list of ingredients, the first of which is water, and
> artificial colorings up the wazoo.  Go to the dannon web site and
> take a look at the list of ingredients, I am not making it up.
<snip>

Try again. Dannon Plain Natural yogurt contains cultured grade A milk.
Period.
Priscilla Ballou - 14 Mar 2004 20:54 GMT
> Anyone here eat plain yogurt?  I bought some Dannons for hubby a few days
> ago, and thought I might give it a try, but at 14g of carbs (13g of sugar)
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> diet doesn't recommend yogurt until the later phases, but I'm so CONFUSED.
> I'm just wondering what you all do about eating yogurt.

The cultures eat most of the lactose in the process of turning the milk
into yoghurt.  The label lists what went INTO it, not what ended up
being in the product.

Enjoy your fullfat plain yoghurt!  I make my own.

Priscilla
revek - 14 Mar 2004 23:10 GMT
Lady o' the house  burbled across the ether:
> Anyone here eat plain yogurt?

Yep.

 I bought some Dannons for hubby a few
> days ago, and thought I might give it a try, but at 14g of carbs (13g
> of sugar) per 1 cup serving I was afraid to try it.  Reading Dana
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Atkins diet doesn't recommend yogurt until the later phases, but I'm
> so CONFUSED. I'm just wondering what you all do about eating yogurt.

From: http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html

Doctors Jack Goldberg, and Karen O'Mara explain in their book The
GO-Diet:

The problem with the stated carbohydrate content on the packages of
fermented food products arises because the government makes
manufacturers count the carbohydrates of food "by difference." That
means they measure everything else including water and ash and fats and
proteins. Then "by difference," they assume everything else is
carbohydrate.

This works quite well for most foods including milk. However, to make
yogurt, buttermilk and kefir, the milk is inoculated with the lactic
acid bacteria. These bacteria use up almost all the milk sugar called
"lactose" and convert it into lactic acid. It is this lactic acid which
curds the milk and gives the taste to the product.

Since these bacteria have "eaten" most of the milk sugar by the time you
buy it (or make it yourself.) At the time you eat it, how can there be
much carbohydrate left? It is the lactic acid which is counted as
carbohydrate.

Therefore, you can eat up to a half cup of plain yogurt, buttermilk, or
kefir and only count 2 grams of carbohydrates (Dr. Goldberg has measured
this in his own laboratory.) One cup will contain about 4 grams of
carbohydrates.

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tylerjune - 15 Mar 2004 03:13 GMT
<<Therefore, you can eat up to a half cup of plain yogurt, buttermilk, or
kefir and only count 2 grams of carbohydrates (Dr. Goldberg has measured
this in his own laboratory.) One cup will contain about 4 grams of
carbohydrates.>>

So is this what is called "Balkan style" yogurt here in Canada? I have not
had any luck finding "whole milk" and have only seen one brand of Balkan
style where I am (small village).

TJ
revek - 15 Mar 2004 03:29 GMT
tylerjune  burbled across the ether:
> <<Therefore, you can eat up to a half cup of plain yogurt,
> buttermilk, or kefir and only count 2 grams of carbohydrates (Dr.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> TJ

Balkan style describes a production process whereby the cultured product
is set in individual cups rather than in a single large vat. This type
of processing adds to the unique flavour and smooth texture of the
product (or so they claim).

This sounds very similar to "set style yogurt" where the yogurt is
packaged immediately after inoculation with the starter and is incubated
in the packages, and is probably marketing's way of saying so and making
it sound 'expensive'.

Although milk of various animals has been used for yogurt production in
various parts of the world, most of the industrialized yogurt production
uses cow's milk. Whole milk, partially skimmed milk, skim milk or cream
may be used.

Other yogurt ingredients may include some or all of the following:
Other Dairy Products: concentrated skim milk, nonfat dry milk, whey,
lactose. These products are often used to increase the nonfat solids
content
Sweeteners: glucose or sucrose, high-intensity sweeteners (e.g.
aspartame)
Stabilizers: gelatin, carboxymethyl cellulose, locust bean Guar,
alginates, carrageenans, whey protein concentrate
Flavours
Fruit Preparations: including natural and artificial flavouring, colour

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