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Jerry Everetts - 14 Mar 2004 23:07 GMT
Good afternoon, I guess I should first start by introducing myself. I
am Jerry, my wife and I were one quite overweight, we lost a lot of
weight by counting calories, I went from about 330 to 240, but have
since gone back to about 270, probably since I got tires of starving
all the time. SOOOO I picked up the book, and read a good bit, it
seems a bit complicated, but doable, we both started today, and here
is my first question.
first meal of the day was great, we each had a 10oz steak, and about a
cup of steamed broccoli, a small ceasar salad with no crutons and only
oil and vinegar for dressing. later we went to the grocery store, I
was excited to get a lot of eggs and sausage and whatnot, looking at
the breakfast sausage (Jimmy Dean patty style), most list sugar in the
ingredients, albiet way down at the bottom, they also list zero carbs,
is this ok??? we noticed similar labels on raw bratworst type of
sausages as well. So I guess my question would be do we have to avoid
sugar in ingrediens at all cost, some things list sugar but have no
carbs, are these things ok?
Oh yes, what if you dont use 20 carbs in a day, is it ok to have less?

Jerry
revek - 15 Mar 2004 00:29 GMT
Jerry Everetts  burbled across the ether:
. SOOOO I picked up the book, and read a good bit, it
> seems a bit complicated, but doable, we both started today, and here
> is my first question.

Which book?  There are many different lowcarb plans.

So I guess my question would be do we have to avoid
> sugar in ingrediens at all cost, some things list sugar but have no
> carbs, are these things ok?

Depends. :)  If you have sugar issues (i.e. you get cravings after
eating even a tiny amount of sugar) then it would probably be a good
idea to skip it.  But most people can handle trace amounts of sugar.  If
it says that it has sugar in it somewhere, but the nutrition label says
zero carbs per serving, it usually means that there is less than one
gram per serving (so count one gram anyway).  Also watch the serving
size.  Sometimes the manufacturer plays games with serving size so they
can truthfully claim zero carbs per serving.  (US manufacturers are
allowed to round down.  So .5 = zero, and  .6-.9= <1 or 'less than 1").

> Oh yes, what if you dont use 20 carbs in a day, is it ok to have less?

If you are following the plan correctly it is very hard to get much less
than 20 a day.  Plenty of things have some amount of carb, like the
'zero carb' sausages you mention above.  This is known as "hidden
carbs".  Eggs have carbs.  Even coffee has carbs (1 gram per 6 oz, plus
.5 per Tb of cream, and 1 per splenda packet or 2 tsp splenda bulk). **

**The new USDA nutrition database doesn't show this anymore (the food
industry reports the information to the USDA, they don't lab test
themselves-- so when the clinical studies started coming out last year
vindicating lowcarb and the database was being updated.... well, a lot
of those foods suddenly dropped their carbs.)
But you can still see it if you know what to look for.  For instance,
the regular coffee doesn't have the almost 1 gram per cup listed, but
expresso still has its carbs.  Expresso is made from the same beans
coffee is (just cooked longer).  So if expresso still has carbs, coffee
still does too.  If the old USDA database is still available for
download, then I suggest getting and using that one instead of the new
improved one.  It has the old values that show hidden carbs.

Anyway.  (sorry, rant over)  Assume all suspicious foods have at *least*
one carb per serving.   You will find that it adds up fairly quickly.
But to answer your question after my longwinded cautionary note:  no.
It won't hurt you for the short amount of time that you will be eating
that low of carbs.

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Jean M. - 15 Mar 2004 00:52 GMT
>Good afternoon, I guess I should first start by introducing myself.

Welcome and howdy, Jerry & wife. You don't have to have 20 carbs a
day, but something under. I never had trouble getting close to the 20
but some people do. Be sure to eat some vegies if you can.

I'd avoid any sugar in meat products if I could. A teensy amount
shouldn't hurt, but then it isn't 0 carb. They are rounding down. I
think they can put 0 if it is .5 Those can add up quickly if you are
only eating 20 a day.

I had been eating some packaged turkey thinking it was carb-free. When
I looked at the label, it had 2 carbs per serving and had sugar in it.
Yikes. They'll stick sugar in anything.

--  
Jean M.
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Saffire - 15 Mar 2004 09:44 GMT
> Good afternoon, I guess I should first start by introducing myself. I
> am Jerry, my wife and I were one quite overweight, we lost a lot of

Hi Jerry, welcome to the group!

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Sseaott - 15 Mar 2004 17:36 GMT
Keep in mind that sausage is NOT on the acceptable foods list for induction,
if it's not on the list, YOU DON'T EAT IT!

> Good afternoon, I guess I should first start by introducing myself. I
> am Jerry, my wife and I were one quite overweight, we lost a lot of
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>
> Jerry
FOB - 15 Mar 2004 17:44 GMT
Sausage is ground meat which IS on the list.  You only have to be careful to
get sausage that does not have a high carb content.

In news:x42dndNWIIcVRsjdRVn-sw@comcast.com,
Sseaott <SseaottAThotmailDOTcom> stated
| Keep in mind that sausage is NOT on the acceptable foods list for
| induction, if it's not on the list, YOU DON'T EAT IT!
Cate - 15 Mar 2004 18:18 GMT
> Keep in mind that sausage is NOT on the acceptable foods list for
> induction

Sure it is: Pork, beef, water, salt, and spices.

Cate
Sleepyman - 15 Mar 2004 22:40 GMT
>Keep in mind that sausage is NOT on the acceptable foods list for induction,
>if it's not on the list, YOU DON'T EAT IT!

Or, you could be an adult and start thinking for yourself, after doing
your own research, instead of being told what you can't eat.

Sleepy

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Doug Freyburger - 16 Mar 2004 01:08 GMT
> Keep in mind that sausage is NOT on the acceptable foods list for induction,
> if it's not on the list, YOU DON'T EAT IT!

Only true in the UK, nowhere else.  In the UK sausages have breading
added for some bizarre reason.  Just to be different from the rest of
the world I suppose.  Everywhere else sausage is at or near true zero.
 
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