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Gas/Diarrhea and LC Ice creams?

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MP - 15 Mar 2004 19:51 GMT
Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
having a lot of belly grumbling (more like bubbling) and diarrhea.  The gas
part comes while the diarrhea is taking place.  (I really hope no one is
eating :).  I haven't had any for a few days but them I have been sick with
strep so I cant tell if something else is going on or if the antibiotics are
perpetuating things.  I am going to take some probiotics and hopefully
things will clear but was curious to know if LC ice cream has some of the
problems as the LC candies.

Shandi
Roger Zoul - 15 Mar 2004 19:56 GMT
:: Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice
:: cream? Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
::
:: Shandi

Yes....eating too much LC ice cream will give you the sh.ts and the farts.
The problem is the sugar alcohols (look for words ending in 'tol' on the
ingredient list)

So, unless you want to stink up the place, quit eating so much of it. :)  It
will also wreck weight loss if you eat too much.
DigitalVinyl - 15 Mar 2004 20:28 GMT
>:: Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice
>:: cream? Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>So, unless you want to stink up the place, quit eating so much of it. :)  It
>will also wreck weight loss if you eat too much.

Here's what roger is refering to:

Breyers LC Ice Cream

INGREDIENTS:  Milk, Cream, Polydextrose, ****Sorbitol****, High
Fructose Corn Syrup, Cocoa (Processed with Alkali) Glycerine, Mono and
Diglycerides, Cellulose Gel, Cellulose Gum, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum,
Carob Bean Gum, Malt Powder, Salt, Polysorbate 80, Sucralose (Splenda
Brand), Acesulfame Potassium.

I know the box says net 4g but it is really 7g. 10g-3g(fiber).
Sorbitol is ingested and breaks down into glucose just like other
carbs, just 2.6 calories per gram instead of 4 calories per gram. I
know some people say it doesn't affect their carb count/weight loss,
but I've yet to find a medical/nutritional page that claims that sugar
alcohols are undigestable just like fiber. You do digest them, glucose
is released from them just like all the other non-fiber carbs.

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MP - 15 Mar 2004 20:28 GMT
Upon reading your post I checked the ice cream container and there it read,
sorbitol.  Then, of course, I look up on the net and sorbitol is used as a
laxative.  I guess it certainly could be the cause of my issues.  Might have
to cut down on those portions if I find it to be the problem.

Shandi :)

> :: Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice
> :: cream? Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> So, unless you want to stink up the place, quit eating so much of it. :)  It
> will also wreck weight loss if you eat too much.
Roger Zoul - 15 Mar 2004 20:44 GMT
It's a commonly reported problem here, Shandi...

:: Upon reading your post I checked the ice cream container and there
:: it read, sorbitol.  Then, of course, I look up on the net and
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
::: So, unless you want to stink up the place, quit eating so much of
::: it. :) It will also wreck weight loss if you eat too much.
MP - 15 Mar 2004 21:23 GMT
TY Roger.  I did do a search and couldn't find any posts about my symptoms
atleast.  When I started the diet we didn't have these *low carb* options so
I didn't have to worry about reading labels, everything came from the
produce, meat and dairy dept.  If you wanted low carb items you had to order
them off the net whereas now they are readily available at the store.  My
excitement came with these new products when they introduced the ice creams.
Now I realize that I have to be careful with it and see if the ice cream is
infact the problem.  I have been eating these ice cream steadily for about a
month but I was also put on a new arthritis drug (but been on it before with
no problems) about the same time.

Right now I am maintaining and luckily the ice cream doesn't stall weight
loss nor does it increase the gain.

TY again for you input :)

Shandi
> It's a commonly reported problem here, Shandi...
>
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> ::: So, unless you want to stink up the place, quit eating so much of
> ::: it. :) It will also wreck weight loss if you eat too much.
JC Der Koenig - 15 Mar 2004 20:57 GMT
You probably got fat eating ice cream in the first place.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> Upon reading your post I checked the ice cream container and there it read,
> sorbitol.  Then, of course, I look up on the net and sorbitol is used as a
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> It
> > will also wreck weight loss if you eat too much.
Angle Subsided - 16 Mar 2004 05:48 GMT
yep, I had some serious swamp-a.s after eating a few pieces of Russell
Stover Candy and a small 3 ounce bowl of Breyer's Ice Cream. It's still
worth it to have sweet things again. We just have to make sure not to have
too much. Since I keep my carbs around 25 per day, I don't mind having 10
from swampass making sorbitol and malitol
JC Der Koenig - 15 Mar 2004 19:57 GMT
Bwahahahaha!

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. :)

Becky P.

> Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
> Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
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>
> Shandi
Dawn Taylor - 15 Mar 2004 21:02 GMT
>Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?

Only if I eat too much. If I stick to the 1/2 cup suggested serving I
don't have a problem.

Dawn
Priscilla Ballou - 15 Mar 2004 21:03 GMT
> Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
> Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> things will clear but was curious to know if LC ice cream has some of the
> problems as the LC candies.

Check the ingredients and look for the -ols, the sugar alchohols.  
They're the culprits most likely.

Priscilla
Bob in CT - 15 Mar 2004 21:11 GMT
>> Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
>> Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Priscilla

If you want to test your theory, grab some low carb chocolate.  If you can
eat that without having severe GI distress, then sugar alcohols aren't
your problem.

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Roger Zoul - 15 Mar 2004 21:54 GMT
:: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:03:31 GMT, Priscilla Ballou
:: <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
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:: you can eat that without having severe GI distress, then sugar
:: alcohols aren't your problem.

For me, it comes down to how much I eat.
emkay - 17 Mar 2004 01:42 GMT
>> Check the ingredients and look for the -ols, the sugar alchohols.
>> They're the culprits most likely.
>>
>> Priscilla

>If you want to test your theory, grab some low carb chocolate.  If you can
>eat that without having severe GI distress, then sugar alcohols aren't
>your problem.

Not necessarily, if the variety of sugar alcohol in the LC chocolate is not
the same as that in the ice cream.  For instance, lactitol will give me
severe GI distress, while maltitol doesn't have that effect on me at all
(it _does_ raise my blood sugar, though).

Em
Roger Zoul - 17 Mar 2004 16:01 GMT
:: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:11:35 GMT, Bob in CT <ctviggen.x@rcn.com>
:: wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
:: will give me severe GI distress, while maltitol doesn't have that
:: effect on me at all (it _does_ raise my blood sugar, though).

Funny...they both mess with me, but only if I eat too much.
emkay - 18 Mar 2004 01:53 GMT
>:: Not necessarily, if the variety of sugar alcohol in the LC chocolate
>:: is not the same as that in the ice cream.  For instance, lactitol
>:: will give me severe GI distress, while maltitol doesn't have that
>:: effect on me at all (it _does_ raise my blood sugar, though).
>
>Funny...they both mess with me, but only if I eat too much.

I wonder if "too much" maltitol would do that to me, and if so, how much
would be "too much".  A while back I was experimenting with
sugar-alcohol-laden products to see how various ones affected me (the
experiments involved 15-minute BG tests for several hours).  My sample
sizes contained 10 g each of a given type of sugar alcohol or glycerine;
I'm not sure if I've ever had more than that at a time.  At that dose, the
lactitol gave me severe cramps that lasted half a day.  The maltitol didn't
have any GI effects on me, but they did raise by BG levels -- not quite as
high as 10 g of regular sugar, but it stayed higher longer than with real
sugar, so the area under the curve was about the same.  (True to its hype,
erythritol was the best for me -- no BG rise, no GI issues.)

SA's appear to be something that affects individuals quite differently,
though.

Em
Saffire - 15 Mar 2004 22:01 GMT
> Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
> Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> things will clear but was curious to know if LC ice cream has some of the
> problems as the LC candies.

I've been eating it fairly regularly over the last month without any ill effects.  

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Jenny - 15 Mar 2004 22:42 GMT
Shandi,

I had to stop eating the Breyer's Carb Smart after they reformulated it this
winter, for exactly that reason. Horrible gas every time I ate it.

The Silhouette Skinny Carb bars do NOT cause gas. (They're the people that
make Skinny Cow low fat stuff)
Stop & Shop just started carrying them this past week.

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> Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
> Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
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>
> Shandi
Torqued - 16 Mar 2004 00:24 GMT
> Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
> Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Shandi

Why not make your own? It's super easy, especially if you have one of
those little Cuisinart ice cream makers with the bowls that you freeze
in the freezer..

Basic Vanilla:
1.5 cup milk
1.5 cup cream
0.5 cup Splenda
1.0 tbsp Vanilla
pinch of salt
1.0 tbsp of vegetable glycerine (add a little more to make ice cream
"softer")

Mix it up and toss it in the Cuisinart ice cream maker.. and you'll have
ice cream in about 30 minutes. No funky chemicals and/or
gastrointestinal distress. Makes about 6 .5 cup servings.

Use the basic vanilla and add other stuff for variations:

butter pecan: melt 1 stick butter in skillet, add pinch of salt, chop 1
cup pecans and add to butter. cook over low heat until butter stops
"foaming". drain off butter and let cool. add to ice cream mixture
before putting in ice cream maker. The "pecan butter" is tasty on low
carb pancakes! :9

creamsicle: add orange extract to taste.. :)

add various extracts: lemon, mint, etc. etc. etc.

:)
Julie Carter - 16 Mar 2004 02:30 GMT
>1.0 tbsp of vegetable glycerine (add a little more to make ice cream
>"softer")

Hey, Torqued.  Can you tell me where to look for vegetable glycerine?
Regular supermarket (if so, what section)?  Specialty store?  Online?

Thanks.

--

Julie Carter
Cailleachschilde - 16 Mar 2004 03:59 GMT
>Hey, Torqued.  Can you tell me where to look for vegetable glycerine?
>Regular supermarket (if so, what section)?  Specialty store?  Online?
>
>Thanks.
>>
>Julie Carter

I'm not Torqued, but I buy glycerine at a health food store.  You can also buy
it at craft stores...cake decorating isle.

Yvonne
Torqued - 17 Mar 2004 04:13 GMT
> > Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
> > Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
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>
> :)

Oops.. that was supposed to be 2.0 tbsp of vegetable glycerine. I get
mine at Whole Foods - you can probably find it at other health food
stores.
jamie - 16 Mar 2004 05:28 GMT
> Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
> Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
> having a lot of belly grumbling (more like bubbling) and diarrhea.  The gas

That's what happens if you eat more than your fair share.  Sugar
alcohols will do that.  If you can't control your portions, don't buy
sugarfree ice cream.

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Sleepyman - 17 Mar 2004 19:19 GMT
>Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
>Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Shandi

Heresy here I am sure, but I buy regular ice cream, but eat an
extremely limited amount. I will eat about 2 hollow scoops but without
using a scoop. I use a spoon, so I can't use the term spoonful.
Satisfies the urge, and has negligible amount of carb.

Sleepy

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DigitalVinyl - 17 Mar 2004 19:39 GMT
>>Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
>>Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>using a scoop. I use a spoon, so I can't use the term spoonful.
>Satisfies the urge, and has negligible amount of carb.

I don't think this is a bad strategy at all. If you can teach yourself
to accept tiny portions and take satisfaction in that--seems like good
training for the rest of your life.

I don't know about "negligible" though. Depends upon your carb limits
some. If i grabbed a pint of Hagen-daas Chocolate, 21g net per 1/2 cup
= 8 tablespoons, or 2.625 carbs per tablespoon. A hollow scoop of a
teaspoon can easily grab a tablespoon, or almost 2.6 carbs. 5.2 carbs
in your serving. It is a dangerous thing to estimate since most people
think the teaspoon and tablespoon from their tableware sets are
heaping measures. Depending upon brand they ranged from 15 to 31 net
carb per 1/2 cup, So a tbsp would range from 2 to 4g per. Again, if
you measure of a tsp/tbsp is good and a little is all you need, I
think this is a valid way to train yourself for the long run.

>Sleepy
>
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>Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
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Sleepyman - 18 Mar 2004 21:31 GMT
>>>Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
>>>Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>350/316/Mar-315/200
>Atkins since Jan 12, 2004

I don't do atkins, so that amt. of carb is for me, negligible.

Sleepy

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Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
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diane - 18 Mar 2004 23:24 GMT
best thing I bought was a 1/8 cup measure  It equals 2 tablespoons and is an
exact measure.

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> >>>Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
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Ignoramus5568 - 17 Mar 2004 19:42 GMT
>>Has anyone been having problems with gas and diarrhea with LC ice cream?
>>Since eating more than my fair share of Breyer's LC mint chip I have been
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> using a scoop. I use a spoon, so I can't use the term spoonful.
> Satisfies the urge, and has negligible amount of carb.

Surely eating a small spoon of regular ice cream beats pigging out on
LC ice cream, thinking that you are doing great on your diet.

>      The True Axis of Evil
> Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld

agreed also

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